What makes you think the government is going to pack you in large numbers? Where is that ever stated as a goal?

Thats the problem, you're automatically assuming the government is going to tell you to do something that will get you killed.

And martial law is better than no law at all......




So that makes it the government's fault?

I am not assuming that they are telling me somthing thats going to get me killed, im just not excluding that possibity, either.
I was in thei military. i know how things work :shrug:

its not difficult to think of scenarios that require people being herded together.
they wouldnt want people looting and rioting
they would want to possibly pool resources including services that people may be experieicned with (medical and so on)
Thay might want to find out if people are moving contaminated materials, deliberately or in-deliberately
If an evacuation is to occour, they would want to try and control it, so it is not complete chaos.

tell me why they wouldn't try to consolidate people.







in some scenarios yes, it would directly be their fault.
in others it would be their fault for not being able to gather enough intel
in other cases for not being able to diffuse the situation diplomatically before it became a nuclear war

i think it is a very rare case where a random madman can get a nuke wihout anyone in the international intel community knowing about it.


dont forget, our governments are supposed to be representatives of us on the international stage.
if another country is hostile towards us, it is almost assuredly because of the perception of our government.
religion is anotehr possibility that i wont rule out, but i would defer to the intel scenario in this instance


lets ask another question.
What circumstnaces that the government had no part in would lead to a nuclear war?




Im not out to loot, riot, or do anyone harm..
i just perfer take my own chances in limited numbers, where i know me and mine have a voice and a plan, as opposed to being lost in an endless sea of people that dont know whats going on and are not afforded individual voices as a result.

At the end of the day, or 14 days you've stayed in the shelter, there is going to be someone claiming to be the government.

They're going to be sitting on a big stockpile of food, and weapons.

The Police will show up at work, and get into riot gear. They know by showing up they're going to get fed.

Now tell me, are you going to rebel, or are you going to eat? Yeah, it will be a meagure ration for the forseeable future (at least for those who can work), but its that or the risk of irradiated stuff and/or eating lead.

Farmwork is going to require every able bodied person, if you want to keep eating.... Sure you still want to rebel?

Belly politics. Guess what, your belly wins. Get in the field.

I don't think I will live. I live right next to a army brackets and that will bomb to hell and back. And if I did survived there anti many guns shops in London. I know of one but its like a one hour drive Ill buy a plane and stay with you guys

It's alreadfy happening Radioactive Isotopes from Japan where found in rain water here in Ohio at Case western reserve university! however the amounts where so tiny as to be harmless.

Just to reiterate the need not to be alarmed - the only reason we can see them is because we're that darned good at finding it - even an atom is enough to register.

Its Absolutely nothing to worry about. Bear in mind that the good people of Denver experience twice as much radiation every day than the average person, and they turn out okay.

Indeed, you soak up may times the amount of rads being found from just sun bathing for a few hours.

I'd become a hippie and wave around a sign saying,"Why can't we be friends?"

First I would find Chuck Norris. Then go to what ever country nuked us then kill then all. :toughninja:

Truthfully, If I saw A giant mushroom cloud relativily close, I'd shoot myself, otherwise, if I saw a light in the distance, very VERY small, or heard about it I would hide in my basemant, (Because nukes wouldn't just randomly fall everwhere without it first being a threat, THEN an attack, I would have bought a LOT of supplies, including a few years worth of water, and food. Extreme amount of medical supplies as Im an astmetic, so Id probably die, and some guns, knifes, bows, arrows, a radio, not a cheap one, more like a H.A.M. Radio.) wait about a year for the fallout to settle and radiation to disappear. Live in my backyard as I live in deep country, hunt that way, find water ,then die from starvation, radiation, old age, or shooting myself, and even though Im a catholic, I dont give a damn what god says, Im sure he'll be fine when I kill myself, instead of pucking to death, with becoming blind, in extreme amounts of pain, and just well, slowly dieing horribly. But then again, god might not be real so, who gives a damn!?

Actually ignore my post unless you liked it

When I hear about the THREAT, I would move to somewhere foriegn, maybe Tibet, or The Himalyas, maybe even some random ass Island that is totally out of the way in the middle of the ocean, so that once the war is over, Ill still have electricity, Ill have solar panels cause think of the freakin sun beating down without most of the Ozone layers, um geothermal heating, recycling water, some farms, a team of scientists, schools, a community. Hell! I would have a freakin paradise! As the rest of the world burns raids, and goes into a chaos, I'll be Chillin on my Island, with my community, siblings, being well fed, properly housed, well hydrated, well medicated, well educated, well wellucated , and since the ocean has reseaded from the nukes drying most of the oceans, are Island would have the chance to expand, and sea weed, and fish would supply us with neccasay food and meds.

And you would hide in your basemant!?! HA!

Good job your a millionaire and an administrative genius then huh? :thumbsup:

I think those two lines are kinda funny next to eachother.

First off, what exactly is a 'sniper' 9mm pistol? What kind of assault rifle would you get? Why do you think gunstore's would have grenades?!!? And any grocery stores would be EMPTY as every other single survivor has the exact same idea as you.

Me personally. Depending of where they nuked, I would either be incinerated, die of radiation, or die in a fight with some other people over food or something. I realistically doubt I would last very long in a nuclear apocolypse. Though I am very handy with a gun, (No username-related pun intended) I still just don't think it would happen for me.

I would get vaporized and die like the rest of the posters in this forum. either that or get killed by radiation or scavengers.

You have he think about this idea reasonably. The government is not going to make a great sacrifice, they will just be locked up in a panic room drinking capri sun and wondering whats going to happen next. our system is going to fail, because everyone will rely on everyone else. this is goin to cause mass hysteria. and no where will be safe, it will be hell. bliviongate: you just have to worry about what would be the final domino of all this..

One must note that our ICBMs are much stronger than Fallout's and we have absolutely no defense, save a large amount of dubious defense weapons in Washington. Not only do the nuclear powers have the ability to bomb every major city in the world ten times over, but their nukes are in the megatons, are going to cause even more radiation than Fallout's, and are not delivered from plans so air raid sirens don't really work.

Hell, here in the UK most of the early warning sirens have been removed; so yeah, we don't even get four minutes.

Our only consolation is that there is no threat of nuclear war at this time.

We dont have air raid sirens, they just installed a telephone systems to warn people of incoming fires in fire prone areas, thats only how many years after the cold war finished, if nukes hit here only way we'd find out is if the power went out and didnt come back on, but then again that would be hard because its so common anyway, maybe after people try to drive to work in a capital city and its sort a big burning pile of rubble and there bodies scattered around with terminal sunburn, or maybe when the emp hits maybe thats how we'd find out.

Correction: There is always a threat of nuclear war. Its lessened as of late but as long as nations have missles, there's a definite threat there, even if its not intentional, someone could accidentally start one (its almost happened a couple of times).

nice..

When any Nuclear Able country shoots a nuclear bomb, there are many possible locations it may land. The main places are, Seattle(for Fort Lewis and the 6 nuclear submarines stationed there), Colorado(somewhere in it, where one of many nuclear silos are, and Camp David), Washington D.C, New York, and basically any high density areas with key targets.

All government will collapse. At that point, I'd rather live in a bunker for a couple years and then leave, toting an ammo belt and a semi-automatic M16. Then I'd do STUFF to survive. And by STUFF, I mean making a farm and do other STUFF to survive. YAY STUFF

Make sure I have my collection of Bottle Caps at hand. I'll be rich I tell ya! RICH!

my belly's political system knows how to live off the land :toughninja: :celebration:

I disagree. There is very much a threat of nuclear war... Perhaps not immediately including NATO countries or even the former warsaw pact, but the threat in certain areas remains there.