Nudity and the dread A rating. . . I don't understand the co : V - Skyrim

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:30 pm

I realize that most of the ones who want nudity are men and they only think about naked women, (mostly). I sure want the orc brute to keep his pants on, so if the game adds new clothing, "underwear" and "bra", then it would be great.

I'm a straight male, and it wouldn't bother me to see an orc naked, if presented right. :shrug:

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:37 pm

the esrb needs to get a life, but I can see where they come from.

there are some things a child should not see when said child watched a relative play a game with immoral issues in it....

but then mind you there are some games that never should of been on consoles either....

that anad an A rating means walmarts wont sell it

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:23 am

I'm a straight male, and it wouldn't bother me to see an orc naked, if presented right. :shrug:

(mostly). You are surely in the minority to think this, but you must admit that when you think about nudity in the game, you don't instantly think about naked orc males. That't what I meant, the saying yes usually has a bad argumentation behind it, which in most cases is "I want to see bob-the-builders :hubbahubba: ". :confused:

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:23 am

I'm a straight male, and it wouldn't bother me to see an orc naked, if presented right. :shrug:

Like how regular genitalia would look? Idk why people think that a man's "unit" is some kind of massive throbbing thing you know. I am also a straight male and have no problem with seeing this. Hell anyone who has been on a high school sports team, gone to an actual lodge, or a some gyms, or the army or so many other things should be completely used to seeing this kind of thing.

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:50 am

No Nudity please

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:57 pm

I don't know if this has already been said, because people are replying faster than I can read.Quote from Todd Howard "I know nudity is an issue with fans because it was in Daggerfall and such. That's something I wouldn't do even if we were allowed to. I think it distracts from the tone of the game. Maybe I'm still too immature (note from Pete: I can vouch that this is, in fact, the case), but when I see briasts in a movie, I still yell "Boobies!".from http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Fan_Interview question #19

Well I did that when I was younger, and I would stare at female genitalia (or man, I would like to compared if everything was in order with myself :happy:) if shown in a movie. But serious, seeing female nipbles in a movie for me at least, it's like seeing male nipbles.

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:39 am

Here's all you need to know:

Q. Will nudity add to the experience of The Elder Scrolls?
A. Not significantly

Q. Will nudity negatively impact sales of the game?
A. Most likely

Q. Is it worth it to include something in the game that will not significantly improve the game and yet decrease sales?
A. No

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:29 pm

I want FULL nudity... If I can kill someone I can undress someone...

Hela, full nudity for both female and males is what I desire to see in Skyrim.

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:22 pm

Well I did that when I was younger, and I would stare at female genitalia (or man, I would like to compared if everything was in order with myself :happy:) if shown in a movie. But serious, seeing female nipbles in a movie for me at least, it's like seeing male nipbles.

I've never seen a male with nipbles that covered most of his chest.
Anyway, I'm fine with male AND female nudity. I assumed that was implied when I voted yes, and I hope everyone else did.

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:50 am

I'm a heterosixual male, and i have no objections to seeing males or females naked. I've seen it in siblings, and parents as a child, classmates in P.E. at school, and swimming pool/gym showers later in life. i don't recoil in horror.
the only reasons i see not to include this are it breaks immersion/reduces realism, very few (although not no) people throughout history fought naked, if i were in a fight I'd like to at least have a coat as padding. And, they probably acknowledge that people below the age rating will get the game, and i understand the complaints with showing an 8 year old child a full grown advlts genitals.
If you really are that perverse though, just play on PC and wait for the mods.

personally i don't mind its inclusion. i'll buy it either way.

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:36 am

Who says nudity will get an AO rating? The witcher eventually released a nvde patch with no ill effects, and the witcher 2 will have a lot of nudity and six but it still an M game as far as I know, which will be interesting to see how people react. Nudity will NOT automatically create an AO rating(god of war, the witcher, etc), I think we have finally moved beyond that point. Its just that it was a hot item for a while and publishers are a bit skittish. However, I do not know why, That is the best publicity you can get, the worse than can happen is family groups will try to get the game banned at wall-mart, but thanks to digital distribution getting more and more popular, I think developers can start pushing the envelope again with less fear of reprisals since people can buy the game digitally(what are parent groups going to do? Stop buying steam games? HA!). With that said, I really doubt family groups will still be on this bandwagon. They like to jump from hot topic, to hot topic and its time for something else to hit the news.

Lets review a brief history of controversy:

Fictional book material like Dracula (too violent at the time)
comic books (leads to violent)
rock and roll (leads to violence and debauchery)
DND games (leads to devil worship)
Movies (leads to violence/corrupting youth)
Cable TV (leads to violence and corrupting youth)
pormography (leads to rampage men who will become fiends)
Internet (violence, fiends, devil worship,)
Video games (leads to violence and corrupting youth)
Nudity in video games (leads to corrupting youth and fiends)

See a pattern? They were all blamed for the worlds ills and were boycotted by family/religious groups at the time, now they are just about all considered tame and nobody looks at them much anymore. Oh, we have a few brief flare ups during slow news cycles or a politician is trying to get votes(silly since the average gamer is an advlt now and the old guard is dying off), but it always goes down after a while. Like I said, I think nudity has fallen off the radar mostly, as soon as some new convenient scapegoat comes around, it will be something else turn.

All very well stated my friend.

And I had ALMOST forgotten the old Dungeons & Dragons leads to Devil/Satan/Demon worship argument! That was a BIG issue years back. Lol. (Don't you Daedra cults go proving those folks right, now :nono: ) lol.

One wonders where all the rampant violence, rapine, plundering, prostitution (some of it forced), child marraige, murder, war, and torture came from back before the advent of television and gaming. :eek:

I almost left this whole topic alone, not wanting to draw a load of heat and perv accusations. . . but that would be craven, and as bad, on a lesser scales, as what the gaming industry does by tip toeing around this issue as though those clamouring against it actually have a point. . . which, in fact, they do not. Purely on the basis of logic versus irrationality, I felt something more needed to be stated on this topic.

No teen is going to be corrupted by the image of a bare buttocks in a video game. There isn't a teen alive who doesn't already have a good notion of what a nvde looks like. Mother Nature pretty much does the lion's share of the work in making sure they have all the required interest and motivation regarding such things, and the presence of a little more bare flesh in a video game is not going to exponentially increase that interest, any more than mandatory full armour and clothing would do much to make it go away.

Anyway, there just seems to be something deeply wrong in the world, when comments like "I hope the game will let us knock a guy's head off" is met with general acceptance and approval, but a comment like, "to achieve a more genuine sense of being a forest dwelling barbarian, I want my character to be able to run around buck a** naked," is met with shock, scorn, and screams of "what about the CHILDREN?!" Sometimes you just want to say, "ma'am, I don't mean any harm, but if your child really has no awareness of the fact that evey normal person on the planet has a behind and also has no notion of what they look like. . . you might want to invest in a special education program." :huh:

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:30 am

Here's all you need to know:

Q. Will nudity add to the experience of The Elder Scrolls?
A. Not significantly

Q. Will nudity negatively impact sales of the game?
A. Most likely

Q. Is it worth it to include something in the game that will not significantly improve the game and yet decrease sales?
A. No

Especially since, if you really, really care about the issue...... there's the PC version & mods.

There is absolutely no reason for Beth to be motivated to have this in the official game. (Some companies - Rockstar, for instance - enjoy courting controversy. Which gives them a reason to "push the envelope". Most companies just want to have their game well reviewed and sell well. In which case, controversy gains them very little.)

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:13 pm

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Yes. Unless the child is blind he is most likely mentally handicapped if a parent will buy a game like this for him/her and he doesn't know what the naked body looks like. The only person who has a more severe handicap is the parents. Honestly, in most high schools you will see art or a film that has naked male and female forms. Heck even good literature like Tom Sawyer, Angela's Ashes, and other books that are common assigned reading material have more graphic things in them than just nudity. I know its all text but the one thing more disgusting and perverse than any game with violence and nudity is a teenager's imagination

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:47 pm

Even my own parents would shy away from anything concerning nudity.. and yet I was able to buy or watch anything featuring obscene violence. Doesn't seem quite right.

That's just the morality of the day, at least here in the US anyway. Blood? Guts? Decapitations? Filling someone full of holes from a machine gun? Hey that's all okay. Show someone a nipble though? Half the country freaks out.

No it doesn't make sense, but it is what it is.

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:25 am

Personally, I could care less what they rate it and what they put into the game. With mods, everything will be how I want to play.

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:03 pm

I'm heterosixual female, had no problem with nudity in Daggerfall, would have no problem with nudity in Skyrim. I don't scream, well whatever you would call male genitalia (don't know what would be considered accepetable on this forum) when I see it in a movie. Though I did laugh when I saw the donkey at the zoo. If I recall correctly, Daggerfall did have a toggle for the nudity.

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:33 pm

I honestly would rather not have nudity in the game, it just creates pointless controversy and it's not like its necessary at all for it to be included. I dont see the majority of people I interact with in real life naked, so why would I care if in a game I don't see naked people?

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:47 pm

No Nudity
Why?
1:Not Needed
2:Creates Controversy
3: 12 year old boys dont jack off when they slit someones throat.

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:48 am

I understand. And I very much agree about the last part. Yet I think the industry allowed the Government to overreach, and I think it unfortunate that they did not tackle the government more on the hypocrisy, the illogical trains of thougth, and the many inconsistencies in some of the paramaters that the government (essentially if not officially) set.

Well the government has no hand in rating. In fact, the ESRB doesn't even actually have any legal binding, it's the stores discretion in what to carry no matter the rating but unfortunately Walmart and all the other large retail stores won't carry a game if it's not rated and limit who to sell it to and so on. I think in the long run the ESRB is better than having games be legally bound by ratings made up by a government committee, which I'm sure would be filled with older folk that don't like the fact of video games even existing.

As for partial nudity, I'm fine with it being in any game. Hell, even full nudity, as long as it's not out of place and just there to be there.

12 year old boys dont jack off when they slit someones throat.

Nudity will cause 12 year old boys to mastvrbate to murder? Wow, I didn't think nudity would cause so much mental anguish :pinch:

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:13 am

Nudity will cause 12 year old boys to mastvrbate to murder? Wow, I didn't think nudity would cause so much mental anguish :pinch:

With 12 year old boys these days, you just never know...but I am worried about 12 year old girls. The level of violence by girls and women is on the rise these days.

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:33 am

No Nudity
Why?
1:Not Needed
2:Creates Controversy
3: 12 year old boys dont jack off when they slit someones throat.

And 12 year old boys don't kill people when they see briasts. What's your point? Simple fact of the matter is if a 12 year old wants to find it they will find it one way or the other. This game is rated for 17+ so it's on the parent's to decide this for their children.

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:13 pm

Lol, anyone who would miss nudity in Skyrim really needs to get a life.

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:47 pm

And 12 year old boys don't kill people when they see briasts. What's your point? Simple fact of the matter is if a 12 year old wants to find it they will find it one way or the other. This game is rated for 17+ so it's on the parent's to decide this for their children.

Bingo!

» Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:16 am

Lol, anyone who would miss nudity in Skyrim really needs to get a life.

It's not that anyone would miss it (though there are those that can't go without it in their games, thus the large amounts of mods) but this discussion is more about nudity in games in general and how it isn't bad in a game or in real life or anywhere really. It's all about letting the game express more realism and freedom if it's possible without pulling a ridiculous rank or having flocks of parents attacking the game. I for one won't go looking for nudity (I'm not a fan of those mods) but it surely won't affect me negatively if it's in the game in some way. It's not like people are asking for a nudist colony-esque game, it's all about the possibility of it being there without being chastised.

» Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:22 pm

I never installed a porm mod in Oblivion, but I agree with OP; I don't get what's so terrible about showing briasts and such, it's not like every 12 year old hasn't visited a porm site or two anyway.