Have anyone considered how weird it would be with "moderate nudity"? nvde backs, but no frontals. I mean, how would that even work?
You're walking into a bedroom where a woman is standing naked before you and you think "Well, that's a cute bum, isn't it?". Then she turns around and HOLY CRAP! hmy: Her genitalia and nipbles is either blurred or covered up with some sort of weird piece of clothing, which would make no sense whatsoever. WTF? :glare: The only way that they could implement moderate nudity is probably through cut scenes (which I'm not a big fan of), or they'd had to go all in with nudity and not censor anything. However, I'm not playing TES to see nvde chicks, I want to go kill monsters and find ancient artefacts!

I believe you both made false anologies. I play the game to do violence and to do magic, not to see them. That is why violence and magic are important to the game. If I were to argue for the importance of showing nudity in the game, I might attempt to liken it to showing trees in the game.

But you don't kill those people and take their clothes... I hope.


I have no real problems with nudity in games, but I simply find that the way society as a whole looks at it right now means it can cause a lot of problems for developers. And then it probably wouldn't add much of value to the game. So why bother?

Seeing them is the result of doing them. Do you remove clothing from NPCs? Then you should see that action as well, and anything that comes of it. Unless you have something against nudity, I see no merit in your argument.

Oh, but I do! Sometimes I even kill them just to steal their clothes! If they wore valuable undies, then I would take those too, and would find it odd if I didn't find them naked underneath.

It is easy, for me at least, to... overlook, things like hanging corpses. I look at the picture as a whole rather then parts. So my issue with nudity in games is that developers seem to put emphasis on "Hey look, its a pair of digital boobies!", and that is what annoys me. So if they are going to do that, ill pass. If that can work it naturally into the game, then more power to them.

Plus, I feel TES doesn't need it. It adds nothing for me, so I couldn't care less if its there or not. As long as the above mentioned is taken into consideration as well.

You can add nudity to a game without putting emphasis on it, just as you can add leaves to trees without making them stand out, clear as day, for everyone to stare at. Wait.. :dry:

I'm sure nudity, if it existed in TES, would be well-regulated by the governing bodies of each region / city / town. If it were added to the game, you most likely wouldn't see it unless you wanted to, and that's the whole point of playing an RPG -- being able to do something you're not normally able to do (and I have a sneaking suspicion that most of you don't normally undress complete strangers after beheading them..).

In this case, I think limiting nudity to back scenes wouldn't work in the Elder Scrolls. In a game which relies heavily on cutscenes, it would be easy to just put the camera in a position where you can't see any details,



Then perhaps a more accurate comparison would be that when I kill people with a sword, I expect to see blood. In the same way, if I get to a situation where there should logically be nudity, I expect to see it, and it becomes just slightly unrealistic is the nudity gets censored by out of place clothing. Now, not every game necessarily has situations like that, just as not every game necessarily needs graphic violence. But just as combat with axes and swords looks unrealistic without some blood and gore, there are also situations that can be unrealistic without nudity. And in these situations, developers should have as much right to include nudity as violence, otherwise it's just hypocritical.

Will Skyrim be like that? We'll see, but going by past games, I'm inclined to say "Yes". I mean, in past games you could strip off every shred of clothing, to the point you were naked, and in Morrowind, NPCs would even respond as though you were naked. In this case, it was a little unrealistic that you're character apparently had sergically attached undergarments, unless you were playing a Khajiit or Argonian, in which case, you just lacked... "attributes", Skyrim will likely be the same as past games in this regard. Still, as long as they avoid making characters stripped down to their underwear often show less skin than fully clothed characters like in Fallout 3, it's not too bad.



Escept in the Elder Scrolls, you do that a lot, because clothes are items that can be looted from enemies and their clothes might be valuable items. I don't always loot clothing from corpses, of course, only when I want their clothes.

Its a US thing, where violence is much more acceptable than nudity. Parts of Europe go the other way, and some other countries are somewhere in between.

While I agree with you wholeheartedly -- save in the lack of understanding; I'm afraid it makes perfect sense, just not a good sort of sense -- the text I quoted is pretty much all that needs to be said, and I can't help but think this discussion isn't relevant to Skyrim specifically. It's just the way things are.

I will say that I don't think any fantasy (aimed at grown-ups) feels complete without some six and nudity; the reason violence, romance, etc are almost universally present is that they're an inevitable consequence of including sentient human(oids) in a story. The problem is that people hear "sixuality" or "nudity" and instantly imagine the pormography they probably watch in private, whereas I'd be referring to a daedric cultist's outfit leaving one briast bare; references to a character's past relationships (see: Barenziah); the female warlord's barely-dressed male slaves; and so on.

How people react to this kind of content says a lot more about the people than it says about the content.

MEh, it never bothered me that undies magically appear when looking armor.

100% agree, the best affirmation in this thread :goodjob:

If only Bethesda had left gender out of TES completely. That would have solved all our problems. Well, for the most part.. it may have created a few new ones.

Why does nudity need to be shown? You want nudity, then go and get a girlfriend or boyfriend.

In my opinion there is already too much nudity readily available. It takes away the novelty of it in the real world.

For the very same reason creatures need to bleed, water needs to flow, and fire needs to illuminate.

A girl what?

We're nerds! We dont have girlfreidns!

Experiencing nudity before playing TES is fine.. but imagine it the other way around. You fall in love with a girl, get married, decide to start a family.. and, what's this? Her underwear comes off?! Oh, what a sight! Unbelievable! Who would have thought such a thing were possible?! Wait! What do you do next?! You're not prepared for this! *you start waving your arms around like a madman, repeatedly shouting "Divine Intervention!"

Actually, that's probably how it works your first time regardless.

I just laughed so hard :rofl:

I notice as I look at the Skyrim Trailor it says Pegi 18. So we may get more advlt themes.

Thats the same as M rating in the US

I for one wouldn't mind nudity in Skyrim, as long as it was done in a fitting way. Just take a look back at Daggerfall, it had nudity, and the only relatively common instances where you'd come across it (save undressing your own char) was in the temples of Dibella as well as in various cults (King of Worms) and witch covens (and possibly prosttutes in some locations, can't remember exactly). All of these settings were completely fine to me, and also made them far more interesting, I mean, chapels of Dibella in daggerfall and Dibella in Oblivion comes off as 2 completely different religions, and I'd say the daggerfall version makes for a far more interesting lore/game setting than the other.

It feels as though most people assume that adding nudity to the game would mean it would be present everywhere, but simply looking back at previous TES titles shows that it could be added without being too over-the-top, and it shouldn't be too hard to implement some some nudity option that covers it with some kind of underwear either for those that don't want it in their game

As for the ratings, I mostly just laugh at them and don't really bother with them much more than that, I seriously doubt what rating the game gets would change its sales much at all, it's well known and wanted enough that most stores wouldn't pass on the oppurtunity to sell it anyhow, and those few players under the required age to buy it would get their hands on it anyway, and the rest probably wouldn't care much.

Exactly. Maybe I should have elaborated my thoughts about cut scenes a bit. I have no problem with cut scenes and moderate nudity in various different games, but it doesn't belong with the Elder Scrolls

the rating system for games is all over the place at the moment,
personally I don't understand how games can so eagerly include bad language without any effort to make their stories more mature,
it's like watching cartoons with curse words in,
it's weird,
i'd be happy i think if games left mature content out altogether,
or at least left it out until they stopped being so child-minded in every other respect.

Full nvde and six games have a rating of 16+, enough said.

Easy enough to find. http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp

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