Alright, what exactly is it and what did it do? How was it created? What materials were required to make it? Thanks in advance...

It was created by the Dwemer. They had found a way to go "upstream" in the universe by reuniting with "the first brush of Anu and Padomay".

They, as an entire race, attempted to unite themselves into the giant golem as one, single entity, then give it divinity via the Heart of Lorkhan. Its golden skin is/was made of Dwemer souls.

The thing is meeeaaan. Vivec gave it to Tiber Septim, but without its "battery", the Heart of Lorkhan. Instead, Tiber powered it with either the heart of Zurin Arctus or King Wulfharth, depending on which version you believe.

It absolutely decimates whatever it goes against, except for something that is a part of it, which is why either Zurin or Wulfharth (again, depending upon which version you read) fought it and blasted its "lifeforce" into Aetherius.

Don't mess with the Numidium. It is a god with a remote control capable of creating entire parallel universes and Dragon Breaks. In fact, it created the entire Imperial race after Tiber/Arctus and/or Wulfharth entity reunited and became Talos. Talos then spawned the Imperials, which did not exist until TES III.

A very, very good article is Luagar's http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/luagararticle1.shtml, which details the thing and its uses/creation a bit.

Hope this helps.

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It does, thanks a lot. Just another question before I read that report. What would it take to create it again, say....post OB? (a few years afterwards to be exact.)

That's exactly what Dagoth Ur was attempting to do with "Akulakhan", the Second Numidium. I believe that Dagoth Ur was using the flesh connection of corprus to give the Second Numidium its skin, which was probably made of some form of corprus weepings by the looks of it.

Post OB? I do not know. The combined souls of an entire race seems to do the trick body-wise. Power source? We've seen both the hearts and "ghosts"/avatars of gods used to power them. But an actual answer, I cannot say.

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Finally someone agrees with me on this!

On a purely speculative level, despite being most probably inferior to the design of Dwemeri original, powered by the Heart of Lorkhan, how much more powerful would Second Numidium be? Could it have been stopped? (Supposing the Nerevarine got drunk and died in a ditch outside Ald'Ruhn.)

How does that happen?

Ask Kagrenac.

Or a bus-sized soulgem. With lots of doors.

Ummm....care to elaborate on that?

They get in the soulgem, and power it with themselves.

I prefer the singing of it's world-refusals. Sound's particularly nasty.

And where did that "spawned the imperial race" theory come about? It makes sense, but when did you formulate this?

I mean how? How did they all get in the soulgem and power it? And once they were inside and powered, how did the energy from the soul-gem connect to the Numidium?

The Word Merchant enjoys this sort of gleeful hyperbole. I have to go yell at him now, if you'll excuse me. Yesterday it was CoC=Divine Crusader=Sheogorath

The Donut-Hole theory was so much better.

Edit: Adding emoticon so I don't sound like KnightMariel

The Numidium that was used by Septim and then at the end of Daggerfall wasn't powered by the Heart and would by more or less squashed by Akulakhan. Had Dagoth Ur finished it the rest of Nirn would have seen flashing in the sky giant red letters spelling out 'Game Over'.

With something powerful enough to make it happen and some nifty myth manipulation...

Ok, I know that. What kind of nifty myth manipulation? And WHAT is powerful enough? I know it's the soul gem, but how did the bodies get in it and how did the power transfer to the Numidiam?

Septim's Numidium (powered by the Underking or Zurin's heart) was defeated by whomever had donated the heart. Perhaps Akulakhan could have been stopped in a similar fashion. I do not know. We will never know. (Thank goodness.)


How does one combine the souls of a race into a Numidium skin? We do not know. Kagranac wrote the process down in his Planbook and Journal, but Baladas Demnevanni says that "the Dwemer language is unknown, perhaps unknowable. ... I believe that the Dwemer knew of a preservative effect, perhaps a device still active which denies or controls the Earth Bones governing time and decay."

Hasphat Antabolis said, "the Dwemer language is largely untranslatable..."

Kagranac was shaping mythopoeic forces. He was going to create the Numidium via the soul-skin, then have someone infuse it with the divine power of the Heart. Ever wonder why Yagrum was in an Outer Realm? I will quote from http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/sotha_sil.shtml: "Men of god? Gods of men? Which should you fear most? You wonder where the Dwemer have gone? Perhaps better to wonder why one remains."

The Dwemer either messed the process up, reducing themselves into "http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/tsaesci.shtml" or did what they wanted to do, which has yet to be revealed.

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EDIT: Paws, you've got me figured out. Don't yell at me. (I'm a delicate sort. :toughninja: )

The Dwemer didn't use a soul gem, that was Talos' thing.

The only thing we know about Kagrenac's methods is that he used artifacts such as Sunder, Keening, and Wraithguard to create enchantments via sound and music. It's called Tonal Architecture, and one way to do it is banging the heart like a (Doom) drum to create tones of mythic significance.

Edit: Ah... TWN, you need to post the rest of that quote. It's too genius to leave out, even if it's irrelevant.

Alright, thanks a lot everyone. I'm going to bed now, but I'll be back tomorrow.....

The Heart was powerful enough (that's what the Dwemer used). The power of the Heart basically allowed them to manipulate the basic stories (myths) which comprise the foundations of the world, by this they could do pretty much whatever they wanted (not to mention with the help of a dreamsleeve which allowed them to already be connected directly with the rest of their race). Being able to screw with the myths (through the mythopoeic enchantments on the Heart) is sorta like being able to be in a story, take the pen and rewrite what you want; with that kind of influence moving some bodies around is probably a piece of cake...

That makes profound sense.

I too must make one last mundane question; how fast do these monsters move? Tiber Septim managed to move the first one fast enough to crush the Aldmeri Dominion and not die of old age. Or is there some sort of folding-space thing going on?

The Numidium was powered by the Heart of both the Time God (Akatosh) and the Space God (Lorkhan). (See http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/sporedream.shtml)

I'm sure with a mastery of time and space, the thing could be wherever it wanted whenever it wanted.

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I should think that the only limits imposed on gods and Towers that are orbited by world-refusing timelines and constellations are the limits imposed on the controller. Numidium can probably do ANYTHING, but its only ol' Zurin Arctus holding the remote control.

And Luagar's post reminds me of Vivec's sword. Sotha Sil wasn't the brains behind the entire Heart operation, it seems.

It's not the Brass God that wrecks everything so much as it is all the plane(t)s and timelines that orbit it, singing world-refusals.

The Surrender of Alinor happened in one hour, but Numidium's siege lasted from the Mythic Era until long into the Fifth. Some Mirror Logicians of the Altmer fight it still in chrysalis shells that phase in and out of Tamrielic Prime, and their brethren know nothing of their purpose unless they stare too long and break their own possipoints."--MK

Basically the Numidium could take as long as it wanted to do whatever it wanted and then make it seem like it took no time at all...

But each and every time, the people controlling it probably just got lucky. Or unlucky, in the case of the Warp in the West. MECHA DUELS! HELL YEAH! Tsunamis and desertification!

I have read that quote from MK before, and I cannot seem to grasp its meaning. Luagar2, you and your knowledge of the lore have always been something that I have admired. Can we take a few minutes to study under you while you explain what MK was meaning when he uses terms like "mirror logicians", "chrysalis shells", and "possipoints"?

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