this has proobebly been brought up before but i'll try anyway.

the emperor is dead with no heir

but we still have the counsil,ocato and each city has a count/countess

before the counts role wasn't too big (it was big,but not TOO big) now their kinda important,right?
i believe the emperor had alot to do with politics.now that he's gone what happens?

i guess my questions could be like this:

1.who "rules" the politics of tamriell and how?(after the crisis)

2.what kinda power did counts/countesses have before the crisis?

3. what kinda power do they have now?

4.whats the chance for that a war will break out?

Well I always thought that it would be simply like this:

Counsil takes over the role of Emperor for the time being, the result making that nearly nothing is done quickly (imagine 20 or so fat headed ministers coming to one decision).
As for the Counts, basicly they get to rule they provinces in peace while the at imperial Palace they keep up the squabling. Although before I doubt that the Emperor ruled the lands precisly, more just generaly like taxes, the enrollment of the population etc.. then the count would shap the rest to his taste. (that would explain why some counts are more loved than others...)

1: Who knows? Ocato?
2: I dont know probably the same pretty much.
3: 2
4: Rather large as far as I can see it.

1. Nobody, most likely King Helseth
2. They were approaching autonomy
3. They have autonomy
4. 100%

I agree with this completely. Helselth's power is probably rivaled only by Ocato's.

And, the Empire is basically gaurenteed another crises, whatever it may be, therefore, most counts and countesses will take some form of self government while the Elder Council tries to establish a new emporer and defend from invasions. IMHO.

Are you chaps joking?! He is king of Morrowind! M-o-r-r-w-i-n-d! Why would a King of the easten Province of Morrowind get a say in the wellfare of Tamriel? Their are other Kings like in High Rock or in Skyrim that would have much more of a say in it that a S'wit form Hlaalu House!

if a war breaks out,what race would attack who?

lore-vise i'd think mowwornd would try to break free from the empire

game vise thar would kinda be morrowind all over

akavir?(though i have to say i dont really want that,they should remain a mystery.)

or maybe all provinces would try to get to the power? that would be both cool (game vise) but maybe ruining the lore? :shrug:

Morrowind is the only province even coming close to unity. All the others are filled with quarreling kings, queens and other leaders. They would sooner crash on top of each other than be able to take control of an empire.
Of course, does Helseth care about the rest of Tamriell? He wouldn't secede from the empire, however, because of the trade it brings. Maybe he'll annex Cheydinhall. In one way or another.

I still think that the competers for the throne will be the Legion commanders, though. They're the ones with the forces. Ocato has nothing to put against them, and neither has the Councill, if some of the generals decide they want to wear that crown.

Well I believe what dr.dremora said and more: i.e. that Morrowind and all the other Provinces will just fall back into inderpendance (most certainly The Summer Set isles and Morrowind although with a Hlaalu king god only knows what could happen).

I'm pretty sure that at least Sumurset would try and break free Morrowind nyea... maybe.

okay,everyone agrees morrowind or summerset will start a war.lets say they do.

each city in cyrodill (oblivion) has a count countess. these act as rulers.

lets say summersets great army comes charging at the Imperial City. do you think there'd be some kinda civil war?like,one count assisting Summerset?

i believe that i ingame (oblivion) heard a count say he didn't like the counsil or something like that.

1:The Elder council will rule the empire, and will do an effective job for an unkown amount of time. (If you look at history, you can see that at times the elder council has been the guys running the show at the palace)
2.They were of some importance, as both trade and the enforcement of the law in the cities they ruled and the surrounding area was something delegated to them.
3.SOmewhat equal. Less probably due to guard casulties from the battle of bruma, the sacking of Kvatch(which removed a potential allied city) and dealing with oblivion gates.
4. At this point war is unlikely due to the losses taken all around and the fact that several provinces lack true unified government. Don't forget the immense amount of legion forces in the provinces.

As for morrowind: Helseth will try to dismantle the house system and render the temple either powerless or agreeable. He's already going to see the crippling of redoran, and his allies are seizing indoril assets. He will also try to get close to the empire, in order to get increasing power in the weakening system and thus increasing influence in matters of trade and such.

Not to mention he's smarter than Uriel because he's got that signet ring. No one-hit-kills for you, Mr. Helseth.

You said it yourself. Hes a KING. Ocato is High Chancellor, and interim emporer (if that term can even be used, probably not). Helseth has an entire nation behind him under any circumstances, meanwhile, Ocato is probably going to have to deal with strife across the whole of Tamriel.
Although, they need eachother equally as much, Helseth, so he can rid Morrowind of Temple control, and Ocato, so at least all of Tamriel doesn't disband from the Empire, and maybe he can hold the ship above water until a new emporer is crowned.

And which kings from High Rock and Skyrim are more pro-empire than Helseth? Therefore, I doubt they would have more say in the matter than the king that you referred to as a s'wit.

The Elder Council was the filler in times of uncertainty concerning succesion. The Septims are dead, and there are no more Magnificent Bastards to save the throne. There are so many with a claim to power that a united Empire will not last, and certainly not under the cabinet of a dead dynasty. Helseth is in a much stronger position now, and in the long term, than his western counterparts.

Here is how I see the hypothetical post-Crisis Cyrodiil. Anvil and Stirk are either put under the command of the Navy, or the Navy is stretched thin in other more "unfriendly" port cities so Anvil and the island contract a Navy from a rich merchant or guild and pirates do their sh*t. Kvatch is either brushed aside (unlikely) or rebuilt with an Elder Council good ol boy in charge, like the Duke. Skingrad? I won't even try. Bravil chokes on his wine for sure, and is replaced by either a Leyawiin or Council supporter, or perhaps the Court Mage? Cheydinhal is indeed annexed by Helseth. Bruma? Chorrol is handed down to the last heir, the wife of Count Leyawiin, his kingdom is in the oven. The Council only has control over Rumare and the Niben through the Battlemages.

The elder council will survive for a time simply because the other provinces have suffered military losses due to the oblivion crisis. The oblivion crisis will for a time encourage introverted political actions until such time that a faction feels comftorable with either succession or war. (This won't be accomplished until that province can significantly reduce the presence of the imperial legions within its land, or until it feels sufficently comftorable with its military might to risk removing them) During this time it will be to helseths benefit to snuggle up close with ocato and the council, as he can use the legion to deal with nordic encursions, while also appearing too loyal to need constant legion supervision. He would benefit from using the legions to fortify his borders while he destroys temple influence and the house system (removing true political opponents and weaking the Morag Tong). He would also have his loyalty rewarded, as he gains increasing influence in the empire, which he can use to lessen the presence of the legions, and then in turn use his influence to strengthen the legion presence in other provinces, which lowers the chances of revolts in the empire. Helseth can eventually use his growing influence to gain true positions of power in the imperial government, (should he so choose) and thus control of the empire, which he could restructure to a more stable form.

I agree. Also, I think he would make an exceptional Emporer. i.e. He has the balls to do what needs to be done.



I had a good laugh at that.

We can put you on the Imperial throne, problem solved.

He'll take a while but I'm sure Helseth will manage just fine. Hell, I'm sure he'll turn out to be a god in one of the next couple chapters.


You liked the pun I see, I had an obligation to do it.

Helseth emperor :facepalm: :lmao: :lmao:. And why should Impirials choose Dumner for Emperor.
Oh I forgot that Cyrodiil is a mix of elves and Bretons with thousands of Redguards bandits.

There has already been a dunmer on the throne before, empress Katariah I.

Don't forget that politically, Helseth will appear a prime canidate.

Pelagius' wife, Katariah is then crowned for the Empress of Tamriel. Despite of the racist assertions, to the contrary, Katariah's forty-six years reign is known as one of the most glorious in Tamriel history.

She had some right after after all she was married for Pelagaus. But I don't see any chance for Helseth. And I also think that with current crisis he will have difficult times without a solid help from the Empire in Morrowind.

Well I think that now is the time of the generals, who would win the support of the legion will have the biggest chance.

:thumbsdown:

There is more to the game than a coup de etat, serious politicing is required (ask Julius). Besides, I don't think Bethesda will take such an obvious route with this story arc, they had better not.

Listen, I never said KING Helseth was not a KING, what I meant was that their is still quite a lot of diluted Septim blood running arround Skyrim and High Rock. Exemple: Disgruntled old Andorak got disinherited by the Council of his time. I'm sure their must be others can't think of one right know though. I don't think the problem is that Helseth is a Dunmer as mr_e stated their has been one before, she was much loved by the people around the Empire but died due to what? an ambush from a "disenfranchised branch of the Septim Family" there's your second example on another blood relatives of the Septims....


Although I think that the Empire will just crumble.. why? Makes things more interesting; gives us an evolving world and makes the next Elder Scroll a more interesting context!




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