Oblivion XP Conflict : IV

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:59 am

I have a problem that I previously posted about in the unofficial Oblivion XP thread and The Nexus forums, but I haven't got any closer to the cause of it.

Current load order:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  MathFunctions.esm02  Jog_X_Mod.esm03  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9.5]04  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]06  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]07  Ulrim's Horses.esm08  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]09  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]0A  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm0B  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm0C  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]0D  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0E  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0F  Better Cities Resources.esm10  CURP_Controller.esm11  HorseCombatMaster.esm**  TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp12  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.10]13  DLCShiveringIsles.esp14  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]15  Better Cities .esp16  Oblivion.esp**  mz_Shields merged.esp17  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp18  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp19  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp1A  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp1B  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1C  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1D  Fran Armor Add-on.esp1E  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp1F  LoadingScreens.esp20  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]21  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]22  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]23  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp24  MIS.esp25  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp26  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp27  Storms & Sound.esp28  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp29  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp2A  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.2]2B  haz_ct3_horse_cart.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]2C  P1DmenuEscape.esp2D  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.2.2]2E  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.5.3]2F  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]30  HotkeyCasting.esp31  sr_super_hotkeys.esp  [Version 0.54]32  DLCHorseArmor.esp33  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]**  Book Jackets DLC.esp34  Thieves Arsenal.esp++  Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp35  Slof's Horses Base.esp36  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]37  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]38  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp39  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3B  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]3C  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]3D  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]3E  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]3F  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]40  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]41  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]42  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]43  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Pests.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]44  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]45  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]46  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]47  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]48  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]49  TIE In.esp  [Version 1.2b]++  TIE In - Cobl.esp  [Version 1.2b]4A  TIE In - FCOM Convergence.esp  [Version 1.2b]++  TIE In - RealSwords.esp  [Version 1.2b]++  TIE In - DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 1.2b]++  TIE In - BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 1.2b]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  LoadingScreens-OOO.esp4B  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]4C  300 Regal Imperial City 2.esp4D  ArmoryLab.esp4E  ArmoryLab better armory.esp4F  GlenvarCastle.esp50  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]51  TheElderCouncil.esp52  TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp53  thievery.esp54  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]55  DLCfrostcrag.esp56  DLCFrostcragReborn.esp57  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp58  Ulrim's Horses.esp59  The Lost Spires.esp5A  Mighty Umbra.esp5B  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 7.3]5C  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.1.COBL]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5D  FCOM_OMG.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5E  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp++  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5F  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.7]60  bartholm.esp61  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]62  FightersGuildContracts.esp++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]63  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]64  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]65  Cliff_BetterLetters.esp  [Version 1.2]66  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]67  Storms & Sound - AFK_Weye.esp68  Storms & Sound - Bartholm.esp69  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.esp6A  Storms & Sound - Better Cities.esp6B  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.1.1]++  TIE In - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2b]++  TIE In - BC-Anvil.esp  [Version 1.2b]6C  RealisticForceHigh.esp6D  RealisticMagicForceHigh.esp6E  EnchantmentMastery.esp6F  Gather Ye Rosebuds.esp70  RshAlchemy.esp71  StealthOverhaul.esp72  Speedy Looting OBSE.esp73  Speedy Looting - OOO.esp74  RenGuardOverhaul.esp75  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]76  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp77  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp78  Unequip Broken Armor.esp79  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 4.1.5]7A  Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]7B  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]7C  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]7D  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]7E  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]7F  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]80  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]81  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]82  Better Cities Full.esp83  Better Cities - Thievery.esp84  Better Imperial City.esp85  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp86  Better Imperial City - OMG.esp87  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]88  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]89  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp**  Real Lava 1.3.esp**  Enhanced Economy - Soulgems.esp  [Version 4.2.2]**  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]8A  Bashed Patch, 0.esp8B  ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp8C  FormID Finder4.esp8D  kuerteeCleanUp.esp8E  Streamline 3.1.esp

OBSE plugins: Elys Uncapper 0.96, SoundCommands 4.0, Enhanced Music and Control 0.72B, Fast Exit 2, Pluggy 132, Oblivion Stutter Removal 4.1.0

Playing with Oblivion XP 4.1.5, using an unofficial http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=31489 that includes two unrelated fixes, after a variable time I stop getting XP from misc. actions (lockpicking, exploring, making new potions, stealing, finding Nirnroot, etc.). I'm guessing something in my load order is breaking just the script that controls misc. XP; XP from everything else (quests, kills, fame and infamy gains, etc.) is working perfectly. Its difficult to test which mod might be causing this since when I load a save XP from everything works until some random time after, and this time seems to change every session. Sometimes I can play for 20 minutes or more before the script breaks, and sometimes it breaks in less than 5 minutes before I even leave the current cell. This happens with all available version of Oblivion XP 4.1.5 I can find: the unaltered version, the OBSE 18b3 version, and the unofficial fix version (which apparently is based off OBSE 18 and is the one I am using right now).

Since the readme says load order doesn't matter with this version, and I have already tried moving the esp around in my load order, I suspected something that changes a low-level process in Oblivion is being problematic. The TESIV:POSItive site mentions that some settings in Streamline can break scripts, but following that advice did not help; at best it might have increased the time before the script breaks. Then I tried disabling Streamline completely, but that did not resolve the problem either. Turning Oblivion Stutter Removal off did nothing as well.

I tried a new game with nothing but Oblivion XP activated and the mod ran fine, except for poison kills not registering consistently despite being on in the ini, but that is another issue and looks like it would require an update. A new game with the load order and OBSE plugins above reintroduces the script break.

One more problem that might be related: in a new game health regeneration is completely not working. Oblivion XP's magicka regen settings work fine though. The weird thing is in my previous character with over a hundred game hours the regen works fine.

It is going to take a long time to do a binary disable-half-the-mods test since I need to rebuild the Bashed Patch constantly and play for potentially a long time for each test, so I ask for load orders with Oblivion XP that are working without this problem. Actually, loads that do have this problem might be more helpful in isolating what the conflict might be, so please post those too.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:14 am

I've never had any major problems with Oblivion XP, but I don't run any overhaul mods nor do I have a large mod list. However, what does mathfunctions do? Oblvion XP has trig and exponential functions (from OBSE?, not sure if they are vanilla or not), so if you have something that messes with those, you are going to have problems...

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:46 am

I've never had any major problems with Oblivion XP, but I don't run any overhaul mods nor do I have a large mod list. However, what does mathfunctions do? Oblvion XP has trig and exponential functions (from OBSE?, not sure if they are vanilla or not), so if you have something that messes with those, you are going to have problems...

Hmm, I knew that OBSE includes advanced math functions but I didn't know that it might be conflicting with MathFunctions. The only reason it is in there is for haz_ct3_horse_cart.esp, a part of HAZ Classic Travel, which requires it. I believe that is not the problem since I installed haz_ct3_horse_cart.esp only recently and the problem with Oblivion XP already existed. Even if you don't have FCOM or any part of it, can you post your LO anyway? That will help my find what mod might be the problem here.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:29 pm

I also run into the same problem with non-kill XP not granted after X amount of playtime--restarting Oblivion always solves the problem. Using latest OBSE + OBGE, current LO:

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Random Quotes.esp19  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]1A  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]1B  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]1C  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp1D  MIS.esp1E  Side's EAX Control.esp  [Version 0.9]1F  WindowLightingSystem.esp**  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp20  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.2]21  ImprovedSigns.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]22  Personality Idles - Modified version.esp  [Version 1.2]23  Quest Log Manager.esp  [Version 1.2]24  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.7]25  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.2]26  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.5.3]27  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]28  sr_super_hotkeys.esp  [Version 0.54]29  DLCHorseArmor.esp2A  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]2B  DLCOrrery.esp2C  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]2D  DLCVileLair.esp2E  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]2F  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp30  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]31  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp32  SentientWeapon.esp  [Version 3]**  Mart's Monster Mod - Hemingweys NPC and Guard Capes.esp  [Version 1.0]33  DLCThievesDen.esp34  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]35  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]36  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]37  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]38  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp39  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3B  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]3C  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]3D  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]3E  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]3F  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]40  Fransfemale.esp41  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp42  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]43  Better Benirus Manor for Cobl - Complete.esp44  BladeSong.esp45  FiveBlindMiceBeta.esp46  Gift of Kynareth.esp++  Gift of Kynareth_delayer.esp47  GTAesgaard.esp48  GTAesgaard_2.esp49  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp4A  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp4B  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp4C  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp4D  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]4E  KragenirsDeathQuest-LetThePeopleDrink patch.esp4F  Malevolent.esp50  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.3]51  TR_Stirk.esp52  Stirk_Compatibility_Patch.esp53  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp54  Windfall.esp55  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp56  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]57  DLCFrostcrag.esp58  DLCFrostcrag - 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I also have one other problem that is far more game-breaking, in that occasionally I will kill a summon (or a summoner with an active summon out) and be granted *negative* XP (a lot, shows up as an exponential) that prevents any further leveling (still shows XP gain, but XP needed will always show "-1/XXX Needed").

EDIT: AHAHAHA, UNOFFICIAL FIX!!! I love you, didn't know about that!!!

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:05 am

FYI - I linked a search for all of the Oblivion XP TESNexus uploads (that seemed relevant anyway) on the Downloading Mods page here - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=downloading_mods#SkillsLeveling

I figured someone would mention the unofficial fixes eventually...

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:42 am

I don't have any mods loaded that offer other kinds of summons, so I don't run into that bug. I have Supreme Magicka, but that just increases the number of allowable summons based on your and the NPC's conjuration level. Once we all reach master level, we'll both have 8-10 summoned critters running around - it's gets pretty hairy.

One bug that I have run into is when you do kill a conjurer, you only get the XP for the summoned critter and not the NPC. I've been looking at fixing this, but have put it aside for the moment. Anyway it's usually so minor, I ignore it, but if I have an instance where the conjurer is a high level and has conjured a low-level critter so I only get a few points, I will determine how many points I should have been awarded and give myself those missing points. I usually figure it out by using the XP I've been getting for similiar kills - assuming the dungeon is filled with conjurers all within a few levels of each other.

I'll list the steps here because I've also found that sometimes this resets the scripts and might help with your problem so you don't have to exit and reload. Since I've not had the problem you are having, I can't say for certain, but it might be worth a try:

Open the console and type 'show obXPmain.currentXP' (without the quotes, caps not needed, used for clarity) --- this will list the exact number of current XP you have. Now if you just killed a conjurer and only got .2 XP where you should have gotten 108.56 (based on kills of other conjurers at the same level, usually in a dungeon), then you should award yourself 108.36 XP. Take the currentXP and add 108.36. Let's say your currentXP was 10678.8924. Then type 'set obXPmain.currentXP to 10787.2524'. Unless you're good at arithmetic, you'll be playing Oblivion with a calculator handy

As I said, not sure if this will help, but it couldn't hurt to try. I don't know anything about that unofficial patch, so I'm not sure what it's doing. It might be better to ask the other mods to give their summoned critters a level of some sort. I can list the equation Oblivion XP uses to determine how much XP you should get from a kill, but I don't know if anyone's interested in making changes to those other mods. I can also have a look at the script that awards points for miscellaneous actions, but I don't know if I'd find anything in there that would give any indication as to why it stops working after a while.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:22 am

@ xXAequitasXx: Thanks for the lord order. With such a long list I was hoping that the problem was not in your game so I can eliminate a lot of mods at once, but it still helps since I am using some mods that you aren't so I can take those out. I actually only found out about the unofficial fix while looking for a solution to this problem.

@ andalaybay: Actually, I've noticed that happening too; thanks for the workaround. Not sure if this is related, but occasionally when I kill a wolf the log shows that I killed a deer or rat instead. Since that is very low experience anyway, and I'm not sure if there is even a difference, it isn't much of a problem. I would appreciate it if you could take a look at the script, though it might be difficult since in my tests with no other mods active the script works fine. Either way, can you post your lord order here? Since you're not getting this problem that would help immensely.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:24 pm

@ xXAequitasXx: Thanks for the lord order. With such a long list I was hoping that the problem was not in your game so I can eliminate a lot of mods at once, but it still helps since I am using some mods that you aren't so I can take those out. I actually only found out about the unofficial fix while looking for a solution to this problem.

@ andalaybay: Actually, I've noticed that happening too; thanks for the workaround. Not sure if this is related, but occasionally when I kill a wolf the log shows that I killed a deer or rat instead. Since that is very low experience anyway, and I'm not sure if there is even a difference, it isn't much of a problem. I would appreciate it if you could take a look at the script, though it might be difficult since in my tests with no other mods active the script works fine. Either way, can you post your lord order here? Since you're not getting this problem that would help immensely.

A deer or rat?! Wow, never had anything like that. It must be a mod you're running, although what would make OBXP mistake a wolf for a rat sounds truly strange.

Here's my current LO. Please note that I am testing the next release of UOP (3.2.11), so that should be ignored.

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Very small, very stable

And no Oblivion XP problems, other than what I mentioned

I will have a look at the script because you've peaked my curiousity

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:44 am

I was looking around the bashed patch options and I might have found the problem. Disabling the SEWorld test option fixed the health regen and might have also fixed the misc. XP. Played three game sessions, about twenty minutes each, and the script seems to be decidedly not breaking. I am curious as why this is happening though, since the bashed patch doesn't seem to change Oblivion XP.esp at all (not listed as a dependency and TES4Edit shows no conflicting records). Also, I have not entered the Shivering Isles yet if that might be relevant.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:34 am

I was looking around the bashed patch options and I might have found the problem. Disabling the SEWorld test option fixed the health regen and might have also fixed the misc. XP. Played three game sessions, about twenty minutes each, and the script seems to be decidedly not breaking. I am curious as why this is happening though, since the bashed patch doesn't seem to change Oblivion XP.esp at all (not listed as a dependency and TES4Edit shows no conflicting records). Also, I have not entered the Shivering Isles yet if that might be relevant.

Might be a script conflict - those are harder to track down. I don't have SI, so I can't comment on what effects that will have, if any. I think I've read some stuff with people having issues with SEWorld, though, so that might be a possibility.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:31 pm

set obXPmain.currentXP doesn't work for me. The error is something about a variable.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:34 pm

I was looking around the bashed patch options and I might have found the problem. Disabling the SEWorld test option fixed the health regen and might have also fixed the misc. XP. Played three game sessions, about twenty minutes each, and the script seems to be decidedly not breaking. I am curious as why this is happening though, since the bashed patch doesn't seem to change Oblivion XP.esp at all (not listed as a dependency and TES4Edit shows no conflicting records). Also, I have not entered the Shivering Isles yet if that might be relevant.

I might have time for a prolonged session tonight (i.e. 2 hours maybe for me

) and I'll try disabling the SEWorld Test...although it doesn't make much sense, I've learned with Oblivion sometimes some voodoo works wonders.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:47 pm

I might have time for a prolonged session tonight (i.e. 2 hours maybe for me

) and I'll try disabling the SEWorld Test...although it doesn't make much sense, I've learned with Oblivion sometimes some voodoo works wonders.

No change to the behavior of losing misc. XP gain when playing--still have to restart Oblivion to re-trigger those XP gains.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:32 am

set obXPmain.currentXP doesn't work for me. The error is something about a variable.

Did you type in the entire command? It's

set obXPmain.currentXP to xxx

where xxx is the number you want your current experience points to be. You need both the "set" and the "to". You don't need the uppercase letters, I just typed it that way for clarity. You do have to type in the variable reference properly though, so you need the name of the script (obXPmain), a period and the name of the variable (currentXP). So it must be typed exactly like obxpmain.currentxp (with or without captial letters). Make sure you've recorded what your current experience points are first, as I said in my instructions (using the show command to list the value of the variable). You need to add the experience points you should have gained and set the current XP appropriately.

@xXAequitasXx: did you try using the above? Not sure it would help, quite frankly, but I am curious if does help anyone having the problem of losing misc. experience points. Also, could you tell me which miscellaneous actions you're not getting any XP for? I'd appreciate it if you could list one or two specific activities, like picking a lock or collecting nirnroot - whatever activities you still have activated in your ini. I've disabled collecting nirnroot, vampire bites and stealing stuff, so I won't get points for those. I do get points for the remaining activities I do have activated, however. If you could tell me which ones you don't get XP for that you should, it'll help narrow the focus a bit as I look at the script. Thanks.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:36 am

@xXAequitasXx: did you try using the above? Not sure it would help, quite frankly, but I am curious if does help anyone having the problem of losing misc. experience points. Also, could you tell me which miscellaneous actions you're not getting any XP for? I'd appreciate it if you could list one or two specific activities, like picking a lock or collecting nirnroot - whatever activities you still have activated in your ini. I've disabled collecting nirnroot, vampire bites and stealing stuff, so I won't get points for those. I do get points for the remaining activities I do have activated, however. If you could tell me which ones you don't get XP for that you should, it'll help narrow the focus a bit as I look at the script. Thanks.

I could use the set command, but that doesn't rectify the problem. If you were referring the the Bash SEWorld change, that's what I've tested and it hasn't changed anything. What I've found is that after a certain amount of time, ALL misc. XP (so, for example, XP for finding locations, XP for investing in shops, XP for unlocking locks, etc.) will fail to trigger. What I'm wondering is if it would have anything to do with OSR or SL purges, which I'm thinking (unscientifically) could affect the running ObXP script. A simple game reload will fix the problem, and I always get XP for kills, so it's not a huge issue for me, I'm just reporting my experience thus far.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:59 am

I'm running OSR as well, so I don't think that's it. I'm not running SL and have found purges to be problematic, so that's a possibility. It might be a memory issue as well. Basically the script grabs a whole bunch of miscellaneous stats and loads them into an array. Have you confirmed that you don't actually get any XP, or is it just the message isn't displaying anymore? I can see the log getting screwed up, but you might be actually still getting XP. Mind you, this would require you keeping track of your current XP and see if you get any points after doing something, even though you don't get a message to that effect.

For example, here's the section for soul trapping:

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;soultrappinglet tempLong := arrayMiscXP[2]if ( getPCMiscStat 10 > tempLong )	let gainedXP :=  ( 1 + ObXPMain.playerLevel * ObXPSettings.multXPLevel ) * ( getPCMiscStat 10 - tempLong ) * ObXPSettings.multXPSouls	if ( gainedXP )		;account for rested XP		if ( ObXPMain.restedXP - gainedXP >= 0 )			let tempFloat := gainedXP			let ObXPMain.restedXP := ObXPMain.restedXP - gainedXP			let gainedXP := gainedXP * 2		else			let tempFloat := ObXPMain.restedXP			let gainedXP := gainedXP + ObXPMain.restedXP			let ObXPMain.restedXP := 0		endif		let ObXPMain.currentXP := ObXPMain.currentXP + gainedXP 		let ObXPMain.totalXP := ObXPMain.totalXP + gainedXP 			;print XP gain message to log		let tempString := ObXPSettings.arrayMsgMiscXP[10]		let tempString := sv_Construct "Gained %.2f XP. %z" gainedXP, tempString 		if ( ObXPUIControl.lineNumber > ObXPSettings.messageBufferSize )			;erase first message			ar_Erase ObXPUIControl.arrayMessageBuffer 0			let ObXPUIControl.arrayMessageBuffer[ObXPSettings.messageBufferSize - 1] := sv_Construct "%z" tempString		else			let ObXPUIControl.arrayMessageBuffer[ObXPUIControl.lineNumber] := sv_Construct "%z" tempString		endif		let ObXPUIControl.lineNumber := ObXPUIControl.lineNumber + 1		;play XP gain sound if enabled		if ( ObXPSettings.messageSoundXP )			playSound ObXPGain		endif		let gainedXP := 0	endifendif

As you can see, he's messing about with clearing previous messages when the log buffer is full, so I'm wondering if that's what's screwing up and not the XP gain itself. Mostly curiosity on my part although I am looking at fixing a couple of bugs with this mod. Anyway thanks for the info, I'll keep looking at it...

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:48 pm

Just confirmed that disabling SEWorld test does not work. Bleh. Weird that it fixed the health regen though, and it continues to work after I re-enabled the SEWorld test in bashed patch. Like I said in the first post, I tried disabling Streamline and that did not fix the problem. Did a quick test and its not just the log that is not working, unless that would also affect the XP count in F1 menu, which I used to check XP.

One more thing while I'm here: doing a take all in an owned container does not give XP at all, but there is a obvious easy workaround for that.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:26 pm

Just confirmed that disabling SEWorld test does not work. Bleh. Weird that it fixed the health regen though, and it continues to work after I re-enabled the SEWorld test in bashed patch. Like I said in the first post, I tried disabling Streamline and that did not fix the problem. Did a quick test and its not just the log that is not working, unless that would also affect the XP count in F1 menu, which I used to check XP.

One more thing while I'm here: doing a take all in an owned container does not give XP at all, but there is a obvious easy workaround for that.

Hmmm. Interesting. Thanks for confirming that it's not just the log. If you're not seeing the increase in the character menu, then I would say XP are not being awarded. Now, sometimes it takes a second or two for the XP to refresh in the character menu, but it's usually quick enough if you just pause for a couple of seconds before closing the menu again.

I'm not surprised take all didn't record the theft properly, unfortunately. Considering the way the scripts work, I can see them not registering that. Stealing is one of the activities I've shut off points for because I would level too fast with it on

I'll have to brush up on how take all works to see why it isn't triggering the XP, although this may also simply fall into the category of misc. XP you're not getting points for.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:56 pm

Can double confirm that it is an XP issued issue, it's not just the log.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:23 pm

Yeah I'm starting to suspect it's a memory issue. Even perhaps a question of variable declaration - i.e. using short when a long is needed later in the game - something along those lines. Going to do more investigation... Thanks guys.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:51 am

Also note that the unofficial version you linked is only a fix for a Conjuration bug/conflict with Fearsome Magicka and Mighty Magicka. I use SM+LAME, current character is level 12, and have yet to experience any problems gaining xp for misc. actions. You might try simply using the normal version of the mod.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:02 pm

Also note that the unofficial version you linked is only a fix for a Conjuration bug/conflict with Fearsome Magicka and Mighty Magicka. I use SM+LAME, current character is level 12, and have yet to experience any problems gaining xp for misc. actions. You might try simply using the normal version of the mod.

I actually only knew about the unofficial version while troubleshooting this problem, and I can say that both of the normal versions also contain this bug/conflict. As I asked in the first post, it would be helpful if you posted your load order since I am still investigating this and it seems like this is caused by a mod conflict.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:42 am

Also note that the unofficial version you linked is only a fix for a Conjuration bug/conflict with Fearsome Magicka and Mighty Magicka. I use SM+LAME, current character is level 12, and have yet to experience any problems gaining xp for misc. actions. You might try simply using the normal version of the mod.

I am a SM + LAME user, and was using the regular version, and had misc. XP issues. Using the unofficial fix, however, solved my problems with receiving negative XP glitches when killing summons, so it did what it was supposed to.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:12 pm

LAME might have summons without level as well, which is apparently what causes the bug. SM has additional summons, but doesn't introduce anything new. LAME allows you to summon animals, and that's probably where the bug pops up. I believe the other magic mods (FM and MM) also introduce new critters to summon. The patch sounds like a very simple fix, although I've not used it myself nor have I looked at its scripts. When awarding XP, Oblivion XP compares the PC's level to the critter that was killed and uses that to determine the amount of XP to award. If the critter has no level, the basic equation fails. I believe the patch puts a check in that if there is no level, it assigns a level of 1 so the basic calculation succeeds.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:22 pm

If it helps at all, I got it a good chunk of the time with Gloom Wraiths.