Oblivion crashes few seconds after starting new game... : IV

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:13 am

Once a few mods start initializing and give me their statuses at the top left of the screen, the game crashes to the desktop. Here's my load order. Can anyone stop any problems with it?

Progress.esm
Oblivion.esm
All Natural Base.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
TamrielTravellers.esm
FCOM_Convergence.esm
Open Cities Resources.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
MOBS SI.esp
MOBS SI Optional Combat Settings.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp
Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
FCOM_Francescos.esp
FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp
FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp
Fran Armor Add-on.esp
Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
All Natural.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
Enhanced Economy.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
ExnemRuneskulls.esp
FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp
Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
FCOM_BobsArmory.esp
Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp
Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
FCOM_WarCry.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
FCOM_Convergence.esp
FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp
FCOM_RealSwords.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp
TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp
FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp
FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp
FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp
FCOM_Archery.esp
FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp
FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp
TIE In.esp
TIE In - ExnemRuneskulls.esp
TIE In - FCOM Convergence.esp
TIE In - RealSwords.esp
TIE In - MMM Gems.esp
TIE In - MMM Craft.esp
TIE In - DiverseGuardUnity.esp
TIE In - BobsGuardUnity.esp
OOO-WaterFish.esp
Ranokoas City Stealth Exits.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
TIE In - Knights.esp
The Lost Spires.esp
Mighty Umbra.esp
Blood&Mud.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp
FCOM_Knights.esp
Open Cities New Sheoth.esp
Open Cities Anvil.esp
Open Cities Bravil.esp
Open Cities Bravil Blood&Mud.esp
Open Cities Bruma.esp
Open Cities Cheydinhal.esp
Open Cities Chorrol.esp
Open Cities Leyawiin.esp
Open Cities Skingrad.esp
FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp
TIE In - B&M.esp
TIE In - DLCOrrery.esp
TIE In - DLCThievesDen.esp
TIE In - DLCFrostcrag.esp
Alternate Start Revamped.esp
nGCD.esp
Beautiful People.esp
Enhanced Economy - Soulgems.esp
Open Cities Classic Road Record.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Martigen's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
ProgressRacial.esp
ProgressRBSP.esp
ProgressSBSP.esp
ProgressGSD.esp
ProgressMBSP.esp
ProgressArmorer.esp

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:48 pm

This the wrong forum. There is a Mods forum for this.

Your load order is wrong. All of those Progress plugins are recognized by BOSS and should not be where they are. Secondly, you should not have MOBS installed. You should have OMOBS installed.

Exnem Runeskulls is included in MMM 3.7b3. It is the Diverse Runeskulls add-on (which you already have installed.) Get rid of Exnem's mod. Seriously, read these mod's docs. MMM's ReadMe covers that. The opening post of the thread covers it too.

OOO and FCOM use OMOBS.

Is your MMM BSA renamed "FCOM_Convergence Mart's Monster Mod.bsa"? If not, rename it. That should fix your crash.

The MMM Resized Races plugin needs to move too. You really need to take better care of your load order, especially with FCOM. Do not forget to rebuild the Bashed Patch after sorting it, or you will have a new source of crashes.

Lastly, if you have the MOBS version of the UOP installed, get rid of it, and install the UOP Supplemental (on top of 3.2.0) instead. OMOBS takes care of the stats rebalancing for the Wanilla records.

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:27 am

Yea, I'm sorry about the wrong forum. Thank you for the advice, I'll try to fix it. I've run BOSS almost every time I've made a change and I think I introduced Progress at the last moment.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:08 pm

Where do I find OMOBS? Do I need OMOBS for anything anyways? I only got MOBS because one of the readmes in one of the mods I downloaded said it was recommended (or possibly required?).

And I thought MMM's Diverse Runeskulls was to add variation to Exnem's..."Use this option if you want to find more Runeskulls". I wasn't aware there were Runeskulls in Oblivion without Exnem's mod. I'm sure you're correct but the why didn't they simply write "Adds Exnem's Runeskulls mod"?

I don't have the mobs version of UOP installed because I never found it. I think I have the supplementary already installed (I see the readme in my data folder).

And I don't have an MMM BSA, nor do I have any BSA that says FCOM on it. Should I have these? To get to where I am now, I simply installed Oblivion+SI, followed the FCOM First User's Guide, installed the recommended mods with it, and installed a handful of other mods.

EDIT: Is anyone knowledgeable willing to help me out over something like MSN/AIM? I'd appreciate it a lot! Thank you

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:19 am

And I don't have an MMM BSA, nor do I have any BSA that says FCOM on it. Should I have these? To get to where I am now, I simply installed Oblivion+SI, followed the FCOM First User's Guide, installed the recommended mods with it, and installed a handful of other mods.

The FCOM Homepage is outdated. I'd recommend starting over from scratch, following the instructions in http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1105942-relz-fcom-convergence-and-ufcom/.

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:26 am

The FCOM Homepage is outdated. I'd recommend starting over from scratch, following the instructions in http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1105942-relz-fcom-convergence-and-ufcom/.

Ouch, I spent like 5 hours getting up to the point where I am now. Guess I'll start redownloading everything while I nap. If I simply follow the instructions underneath the Quick Start guide - I should be fine, right?

Thanks

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:32 pm

Guess I'll start redownloading everything while I nap.

If you store your mods in a separate folder instead of putting them directly into Data, then you won't have to re-download anything in the future. Extract them in your storage folder first, then just copy them over when you need them.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:34 pm

Ouch, I spent like 5 hours getting up to the point where I am now. Guess I'll start redownloading everything while I nap. If I simply follow the instructions underneath the Quick Start guide - I should be fine, right?

Thanks

It's REALLY helpful if you make a folder called "DOWNLOADS" If you don't already have one, then inside of that make a folder called "Oblivion Mods". This is really helpful since you don't have to redownload every time you mess up an install.

Also, instead of deleting that folder every week or two, compress it with 7zip and make a new "Oblivion Mods" folder. This is really useful for when a mod gets pulled off the web by the creator for some reason, since you still have an old copy saved.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:38 pm

If you store your mods in a separate folder instead of putting them directly into Data, then you won't have to re-download anything in the future. Extract them in your storage folder first, then just copy them over when you need them.

Thanks for the tip but that's what I did. After I downloaded all the files and installed them all I figured I'd be good to go so I deleted them to free up some space. I've installed FCOM at least three times previously (two of those times it the load order had to be done manually, no BOSS to make things easy). Maybe it's because I was a little impatient this time around but it seems more difficult than ever.

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:36 pm

Thanks for the tip but that's what I did. After I downloaded all the files and installed them all I figured I'd be good to go so I deleted them to free up some space. I've installed FCOM at least three times previously (two of those times it the load order had to be done manually, no BOSS to make things easy). Maybe it's because I was a little impatient this time around but it seems more difficult than ever.

Except for the confusing state of the FCOM Homepage being outdated it should really be easier then before. Note that MMM comes in bsa format - and so does UFCOM_Convergence, Oblivion WarCry EV and FCOM Bob's Armory Oblivion as well. This together with BOSS managing the load order should make the install easier rather than more difficult.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:11 pm

Can someone tell me how's my load order? Any thing wrong this time around?

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]04  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]05  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]06  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]07  Artifacts.esm08  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]09  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.10]0A  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]0B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0D  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp10  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]11  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]12  DLCHorseArmor.esp13  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]14  DLCOrrery.esp15  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]16  DLCVileLair.esp17  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]18  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp19  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1A  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]1B  DLCThievesDen.esp1C  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1D  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1E  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp1F  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]20  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp21  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]22  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]23  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]24  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]25  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]26  OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLL.esp  [Version 1.35]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]++  ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp  [Version 1.35]27  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]++  ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp  [Version 1.35]28  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b1]29  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]2A  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2B  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3]2C  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3]2D  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3]2E  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3]2F  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]30  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]31  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]32  Artifacts.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]33  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp34  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]35  DLCFrostcrag.esp36  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]37  Knights.esp38  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]39  Alternate Start Revamped.esp3A  nGCD.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b1]3B  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:37 pm

Looks good:

0A UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0] - you can skip this and use the Bashed Patch instead (Tweak Settings).

24 OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0] - Should have NoMerge, Import Stats as tags, i.e. import and keep unchecked so you'll get a dot before it. BOSS should give correct tags.
25 OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0] - As above.