Oblivion crashes as soon as it starts : IV

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:34 am

Well, once again, I have messed up my mod list, and Oblivion does not work. :brokencomputer:
As soon as I start it up, it will crash. I have tried several uninstalls of some of my larger, more dangerous mods like OOO, but to no avail.
I'm sorry to ask for help again, but I have no where else to turn, and I'd trust this forum with my life.

Here is my Mod list

Spoiler

Oblivion.esm
TR_OoT_Main.esm
All Natural Base.esm
MD_Saddle_Master.esm
Cobl Main.esm
TamRes.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
AGC-TARDISmstr.esm
Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
CM Partners.esm
ShieldOnBack.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Better Cities .esp
TamRes.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
All Natural.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
1HweaponOnBack.esp
Living Economy.esp
Living Economy - Items.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
CapesandCloaks.esp
Hemingweys NPC Capes.esp
Nico's Daes' Rakan Swords.esp
XSPipeMod.esp
Mage Equipment.esp
Slof's Horses HA Essential.esp
MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Si.esp
OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp
Cobl Tweaks.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OOO-Water_Weeds.esp
OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp
OOO-DLT_Remover.esp
AGC-TARDISoutside.esp
Castle_Dunkerlore_V1.esp
Castle_Highrock.esp
IC Atmospheric Shops Mod.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
Malevolent.esp
MountainTower.esp
Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp
Servant of the Dawn.esp
TR_Stirk.esp
WOTFH_1.3.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
TOTF.esp
RTT.esp
RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp
The Lost Spires.esp
Mighty Umbra.esp
Blood&Mud.esp
Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
ElsweyrAnequina.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
Cyrodiil Legion Addon.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp
Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp
Ring of console.esp
ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp
Enhanced Grabbing.esp
DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
Altair_Race.esp
Assassins Creed - Altair's Gear - Heavy Armor.esp
CM Partners.esp
bgBalancingEVCore.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp
bgMagicItemSigil.esp
bgMagicEVStartspells.esp
bgMagicBonus.esp
bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp
bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp
bgMagicAlchemy.esp
bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp
bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp
bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp
bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp
bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp
bgIntegrationEV.esp
Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp
Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp
Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
Better Cities - COBL.esp
bgMagicEVShader.esp
bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp
bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
QTdof.esp
Hemingweys Capes.esp
Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp
Streamline 3.1.esp
DAAragorn.esp
Heretic Reavers.esp
Heretic Reavers.SoB.esp
IOM - Main Quest.esp
DLCHorseArmor-HC2.2nightmare.esp
Gondorian Ranger.esp
TitanOfEther - Vestments of the Steward-Prince.esp
seanbean.esp
Legion Ranger Addon.esp
genji Armor.esp
Nords With Beards.esp
CastleWestWeald.esp
CastleEltz.esp

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:05 am

Well you could just disable all mods, then load the game. Then, enable each set of mods one by one (IE enable all Better Cities mods first, then Harvest, then OOO, etc) and see where the crashing starts.

Now if you're like me and don't have the patience for that, go grab yourself a copy of BOSS and Wrye Bash. Your load order looks all out of whack to me. BOSS will auto sort your load order for you and give you suggestions on things that need removed or replaced.

Wrye Bash will allow you to create a Bashed Patch, which is useful even if you're not running FCOM.

http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20516
Be sure to download the main file and the the latest masterlist, under the optional plugins.

http://wryebash.netai.net/
Read the readme and download the necessary items or I promise your PC will rage and explode into tiny pieces. Not really, but the program just won't run.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:35 am

actually, I just used BOSS right before i put this on here, but I may want to try a more updated one, and I do use Wyre Bash as well as I can, but I do think my Bash Patch may want to be updated again as well. But the patch is not all that bad. Not enough that it would crash the game.
I'll check the updates on BOSS again, I think that a few of my mods active may be filter mods.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:02 am

actually, I just used BOSS right before i put this on here, but I may want to try a more updated one, and I do use Wyre Bash as well as I can, but I do think my Bash Patch may want to be updated again as well. But the patch is not all that bad. Not enough that it would crash the game.
I'll check the updates on BOSS again, I think that a few of my mods active may be filter mods.

Activating filter mods will definitely cause problems. The newest masterlist for BOSS is from the 28th, so grab that if you haven't already.

Also, make sure you have the latest Wrye Bash. You should make sure you rebuild your patch when adding new mods. Actually, when rebuilding, it should have a message box before it begins telling you which mods are filters and then it should take care of them on it's own from there.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:05 pm

well, I don't think I have any filters.
Still checking for the most recent BOSS, but would that cause all that much of a problem?

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:24 pm

well, I don't think I have any filters.
Still checking for the most recent BOSS, but would that cause all that much of a problem?

Well load order can be a pretty big issue. I know my load order is currently messed up and I can't load my saved games. I know there are times where if the load order is bad enough, the game won't load.

Some other possible causes are missing master files and mod conflicts in general.

I suggest opening Wrye Bash and looking at your mod list. What color are the checkboxes next to the name of the mods? Ideally, they should all be green. If they're red, that means a major conflict or a missing master file.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:37 am

Okay, I see one red. It is a compatibility patch for Vile Lair and [Harvest].
Could that be doing it?
*Wait, I don't have Vile Lair! Lol, I forgot about that for a second...*

**Still not the issue though**

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:21 pm

Okay, I see one red. It is a compatibility patch for Vile Lair and [Harvest].
Could that be doing it?
*Wait, I don't have Vile Lair! Lol, I forgot about that for a second...*

**Still not the issue though**

Hmm. Well that certainly will cause a CTD, as loading a mod without having the master file present will cause it. Are you sure its the only one?

Try taking your INI file for Oblivion from its folder (It should be in "My Games") and then loading the Oblivion launcher and going to options/settings/whatever its called. It will detect your hardware and set your graphics for you just like it did the first time you opened it. Now launch Oblivion and see if that helped. I know I've had crashes in the past because of errors in my .ini file, but usually they're when loading a saved game. Still worth a try.

If that doesn't work my biggest suggestion is to do it the hard way and deactivate all your mods. Load Oblivion with no mods, and make sure it starts up. If its good, then its a mod related problem. Then go through your load order and load each set of mods one by one. Go for the bigger ones first, like OOO. Then load your game and see if it starts okay. Then on top of OOO, load something like Better Cities for example. Continue doing this until you get a crash. This is the 100% surefire way to pinpoint the problem, although it is a pain.

If you wanna speed things up a little you can even load multiple at a time. I would say load all your bigger mods such as OOO, Better Cities, etc etc, and try it. Then load the smaller mods one by one.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:17 am

:clap:
It works. I just deleted the ini, and now it works.
*woops, spoke too soon! It now will load, but the save game will not work now. Arggh. Well, now I guess I just have to go through every single mod.*
Thank you for all of your help.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:43 am

CTD's on load are generally a result of the game looking for resources and/or .esp dependencies which are not there. Therefore if you have a .esp which is missing a master (Bash helpfully highlights this with red), you will CTD. Additionally, the improper installation/uninstallation of a UI mod can cause CTD's on load.

As is, I'd rerun the LATEST version of BOSS + list update, read ALL the warnings/comments on your installed mods that BOSS notates for you, and install and run the LATEST BASH (285) and rebuild your patch. If this sorts out the problem, great, if not, try regenerating your Oblivion.ini (rename the current one in your "My Games/Oblivion" directory to something else, then re-run the game and Oblivion will generate a new .ini for you).

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:57 am

:clap:
It works. I just deleted the ini, and now it works.

Oh, congrats! I didn't really expect that to work. Do you have any UI mods installed? Or any mods that would edit the .ini?

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:39 pm

yep, dark UI

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:27 am

CTD's on load are generally a result of the game looking for resources and/or .esp dependencies which are not there. Therefore if you have a .esp which is missing a master (Bash helpfully highlights this with red), you will CTD. Additionally, the improper installation/uninstallation of a UI mod can cause CTD's on load.

As is, I'd rerun the LATEST version of BOSS + list update, read ALL the warnings/comments on your installed mods that BOSS notates for you, and install and run the LATEST BASH (285) and rebuild your patch. If this sorts out the problem, great, if not, try regenerating your Oblivion.ini (rename the current one in your "My Games/Oblivion" directory to something else, then re-run the game and Oblivion will generate a new .ini for you).

Yep. I find this most commonly happens when people don't have/forget to tick the .esms for certain mods that require them, or .esps that are built for other .esps (patches, etc). I was a victim of this back when I was still fresh in the modding community, but I wizened up.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:46 am

yep, dark UI

Then you probably don't have the fonts for it installed, but you had the ini changes pointing to them. Missing fonts will make the game CTD on start. In short, double check the install of dark UI.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:27 pm

If Oblivion crashes right when you start it, it will most probably be an missing Master File that is causing it.
Look for red marked Mods in Wrye Bash.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:12 am

If Oblivion crashes right when you start it, it will most probably be an missing Master File that is causing it.
Look for red marked Mods in Wrye Bash.

If you read the thread you'd notice that it wasn't missing master files in this case.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:57 pm

I just updated my bash patch, and took care of the filters. The game is still crashing, but now at the saves. It may be that I have to abandon my saves. I wasn't very far yet, so no loss, but still, annoying.