oblivion crashing when opening : IV

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:09 am

when i start oblivion (obse_loader.exe) the program is showing me a black screen that doesn't change... when opening task manager it tells me the program is not responding. it started doing this today, after installing a few quest and dungeon mods...
here's my load order if that helps:

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00  Oblivion.esm01  GTAesgaard_2.esm02  You Are Here.esm03  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3.1]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]05  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.1]06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]09  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]0A  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0B  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0C  BetterMusicSystem.esm0D  CM Partners.esm0E  John's Leveled List Overhaul.esm0F  ScreenEffects.esm10  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.7]++  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp11  DLCShiveringIsles.esp12  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.4]13  LoadingScreens.esp14  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.3.1]15  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3.1]++  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]16  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.8.1]17  OBGE - Liquid Water.esp18  Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp  [Version 1.1]19  Storms.esp1A  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3.1]1B  WindowLightingSystem.esp1C  AmbientDungeons.esp  [Version 1.3]++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]1D  BetterMusicSystem(SI).esp  [Version 1.0]1E  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.9]1F  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.2]20  DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp21  Display Stats.esp  [Version 2.0.1]22  Duke Patricks - Follow That Actor.esp23  Duke Patricks - Safe Save.esp  [Version 1.3]24  Enhanced Seasons.esp  [Version 1.3.2]25  FormID Finder4.esp26  Quest Log Manager.esp  [Version 1.3.2]27  ScreenControls.esp28  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.1.1]29  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9]2A  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]2B  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.3]2C  DLCHorseArmor.esp2D  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  Mart's Monster Mod - DLCHorseArmor+Slofs .esp  [Version 0.91]2E  DLCOrrery.esp2F  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]30  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp31  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]**  Armamentium female.esp32  Zira's Horse Modpack - My Horses.esp33  Zira's Horse Modpack - Friesian Horses.esp++  Zira's Horse Modpack - Shadowmere.esp34  Zira's Horse Modpack - Extra Horses.esp35  Zira's Horse Modpack - More Horses.esp++  Zira's Horse Modpack - Armored Legion Horses.esp36  Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp  [Version 1.03]37  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]38  OCR+COBL Luggage Patch.esp39  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]3A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 2.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 2.0]**  John's Leveled List Overhaul.esp++  John's Leveled List Overhaul for OOO.esp3B  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]3C  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3D  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3F  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]40  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp  [Version 1.39c]41  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]42  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  LoadingScreens-OOO.esp43  Geomancy & Gem Dust OOO (No Spell Change).esp++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp44  300_Regal_Imperial_City.esp45  AdenseEpicDungeon.esp**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]46  Blackrock_Mountain-4489.esp  [Version 2.7]47  Clintmichs Beautiful Imperial City Arboretum v1.1.esp48  DarknessHollows.esp49  DoTheUnderdark.esp4A  Dwemer Ruins.esp4B  Dungeons of Blackwood.esp4C  Forgotten Tomb.esp4D  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp  [Version 2.11]4E  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp4F  Lair_of_the_Hydra-4490.esp  [Version 2.5]50  Malevolent.esp++  OCR + Malevolent Patch.esp  [Version 4.0]51  GTAesgaard.esp  [Version 1.3]52  GTAesgaard_2.esp53  Gates To Aesgaard 2 Delayer.esp  [Version 1.0]54  ScarletMonastery.esp55  ShadowfangKeep.esp56  SunderedKeep.esp57  TheForgottenRealm.esp58  The_Dragon_Citadel-6178.esp  [Version 1.5]59  The_Tower_of_the_Lich_King-4492.esp  [Version 2.5]5A  Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp  [Version 3.0.3]5B  Knights.esp5C  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]5D  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]5E  TOTF.esp++  OCR + TOTF Patch.esp  [Version 6.0]5F  RTT.esp++  OCR + RTTv3 Patch.esp  [Version 4.0]60  The Lost Spires.esp++  OCR + Lost Spires Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]61  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp62  Daedric Shrine Ruins.esp63  ReclaimSancreTor.esp  [Version 1.0.2]64  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.6.2]65  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.5]66  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0.7]67  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.13]68  Molapi.esp  [Version 1.0.1]69  PTMudwater.esp++  Forgotten Realm PTMudwater Patch.esp6A  Reedstand.esp  [Version 1.0.3]6B  ShezriesTownsMaster.esp6C  Urasek.esp  [Version 1.0.1]6D  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.9]6E  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp6F  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]70  xulTheHeath.esp++  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp71  XulEntiusGorge.esp72  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]++  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp73  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]74  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]75  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]76  KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp  [Version 1.1]77  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.3]78  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]79  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]7A  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]7B  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]++  KragenirsDeathQuest-CloudtopMountains patch.esp  [Version 1.1]7C  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]7D  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]7E  HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp7F  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.3]++  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp80  KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.esp  [Version 1.1]81  xulPantherRiver.esp82  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]83  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]84  Brena River Ravine Daedric Shrine Ruins Patch.esp85  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.7]++  UL Imperial Isle Adense Epic Dungeon Patch.esp86  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]87  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]88  TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp89  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]++  Lakewood+AspenWood Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]8A  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]8B  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]++  Feldscar+Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp8C  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp  [Version 1.12]8D  OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp  [Version 1.1]8E  KragenirsDeathQuest-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.0]8F  MMMDungeons-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.0]90  xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  Lost Spires + Silverfish River Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]91  KragenirsDeathQuest-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp  [Version 1.1]92  BrinaCrossVillage.esp  [Version 1.0.3]93  BrinaCrossVillage -- COBL.esp94  Sutch Village.esp  [Version 1.0]95  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 2.0]96  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 4.1]97  Open Cities Reborn.esp  [Version 1.1.1]++  OCR + OOO Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.1]98  OCR+ULCH Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]++  NRB4+UL-II+OCOD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.3]++  OCR+ULBWForest Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.2]++  RST+OCR Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]++  OCR+Cheydinhal Falls Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  OCR+ULSkingradOutskirts Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]99  Sounds of Cyrodiil - OC Reborn Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]9A  Better dungeons.esp9B  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3]9C  Soulgem Magic.esp  [Version 2.0]9D  SM Encumbrance and Fatigue.esp  [Version 2.6]9E  Healers.esp9F  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90b]A0  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]A1  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]A2  Lightweight Potions.esp  [Version 1.1]A3  SM Combat Hide.esp  [Version 1.2]A4  Morrowind Lockpicking.espA5  Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp  [Version 5.5.3]A6  BFG's Enhanced Armory.espA7  Duke Patricks - Melee Combat NO RECOIL.esp  [Version 3.0.3]A8  Sneaking Detection Recalibrated.esp  [Version ises]++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]A9  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 4.03]AA  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVNoSIVersion_Core_still_required.esp  [Version 10.5DV-D]++  TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.espAB  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]AC  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]AD  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Beautification.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]AE  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]AF  TheOubliette.esp**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicLightningbolt.espB0  MiniMap.esp++  NRB4 OCReborn Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3]B1  BeyondTheRealmsOfDeath.espB2  Bashed Patch, 0.espB3  DynamicLeveledLists.esp

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:07 am

First try without Dynamic Leveled Lists.esp active to see if that is the issue (in case it did not generate correctly).

Then Try without the bashed patch active if the above had no effect.

If it starts without the bashed patch active, rebuild with python if you built the original with cbash. If already built with python and it starts without it active, uncheck all the options and begin rebulding with only a few selected, test, add more, test, until you come to the problem.

If this does not solve it, only thing I know is to deactivate all the mods and activate a few at a time until you find the bad one.

OR

Remove everything you installed since it worked and add one at a time.

OR

Maybe someone else can spot something from the load order.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:33 am

You could always try regenerating your Oblivion,ini (make a backup, delete it and fire the game) to see if that helps.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:59 am

Tx for the responses! I will try as soon as im near my computer again (and dont wanna play skyrim

) and report backh

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:40 pm

Maybe you installed too much mods?
There's a specific limit of BSAs/ESPs/ESMs Oblivion can handle at once. If you have too many mods installed, Oblivion behaves exactly this way.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:52 am

Sounds like there is missing resources with either OBGE or OBSE, so I suggest you try to deactivate those OBGE/OBSE mods that has something to do when you launch Oblivion.

00  Oblivion.esm0C  BetterMusicSystem.esm0F  ScreenEffects.esm13  LoadingScreens.esp17  OBGE - Liquid Water.esp18  Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp  [Version 1.1]19  Storms.esp1D  BetterMusicSystem(SI).esp  [Version 1.0]24  Enhanced Seasons.esp  [Version 1.3.2]27  ScreenControls.esp++  TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]**  LoadingScreens-OOO.esp51  GTAesgaard.esp  [Version 1.3]52  GTAesgaard_2.esp53  Gates To Aesgaard 2 Delayer.esp  [Version 1.0]B0  MiniMap.espB2  Bashed Patch, 0.espB3  DynamicLeveledLists.esp

Also checkout the bashed patch with the debug and TES4Edit option checked while rebuilding the bashed patch in Wrye Bash. What OBGE, OBSE or Wrye Bash version are you using?

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:33 pm

Maybe you installed too much mods?
There's a specific limit of BSAs/ESPs/ESMs Oblivion can handle at once. If you have too many mods installed, Oblivion behaves exactly this way.

perhaps this could be the issue... i'm using 32 bsa's right now, sounds like quite a lot to me. what's the max amount of bsa's one can have activated?

Sounds like there is missing resources with either OBGE or OBSE, so I suggest you try to deactivate those OBGE/OBSE mods that has something to do when you launch Oblivion.

00  Oblivion.esm0C  BetterMusicSystem.esm0F  ScreenEffects.esm13  LoadingScreens.esp17  OBGE - Liquid Water.esp18  Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp  [Version 1.1]19  Storms.esp1D  BetterMusicSystem(SI).esp  [Version 1.0]24  Enhanced Seasons.esp  [Version 1.3.2]27  ScreenControls.esp++  TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]**  LoadingScreens-OOO.esp51  GTAesgaard.esp  [Version 1.3]52  GTAesgaard_2.esp53  Gates To Aesgaard 2 Delayer.esp  [Version 1.0]B0  MiniMap.espB2  Bashed Patch, 0.espB3  DynamicLeveledLists.esp

Also checkout the bashed patch with the debug and TES4Edit option checked while rebuilding the bashed patch in Wrye Bash. What OBGE, OBSE or Wrye Bash version are you using?

right now i'm using Wrye Bash 2.95, OBSE 20 and obge v3.0.1. don't think it has to do with those, since everything worked just fine before installing the dungeon/quest mods i'm using
by the way, what exactly do you mean with

checkout the bashed patch with the debug and TES4Edit option checked while rebuilding the bashed patch

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:11 am

You've not made it clear if you've also just installed OBSE.
Load your game through the Oblivion launcher.
Obviously you'll receive warnings about any OBSE dependent mods, but if it opens it will signify that OBSE is incorrectly installed.

» Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:27 am

hmmm... starting oblivion through the launcher does indeed start the game without any errors (except for telling me i need obse to use some mods...)
but obse-requiring mods from before installing those mods worked just fine, so i guess i can assume there's nothing wrong with my obse install.
i just reset my configuration to how it was before adding those dungeon/quest mods and it still didn't work. i'm going to do a fresh install (hopiing it will solve my problems)
thx for all the help!