Oblivion Etymology

Post » Fri May 13, 2011 10:58 pm

Oblivion etymology


Raminus Polus
raminus -of branch from ramus -branch
polus -little, small or polus -pole, heaven, sky
Corvus Umbranox
corvus -raven
umbra -shade, shadow
nox -night
Kvatch
quetschen -crush, press (German) from which is also derived kvetch -person who endlessly whines or complains, person who finds fault with anything from
Carahil
cara, carus -dear, beloved
hilaris -cheerful, lively
Cyrodiil
κυρο? (kyros) -supreme power, authority (Greek κυ is transcribed in Latin and English as cy Κυπρο? Cyprus) + il -of
Thaurron
ταυρο? (tauros) -bull
Velwyn Benirus
velvet
beni -bless (Esperanto)
rus -country, estate
Calindil
calando Gerund of calo, calare -announce, proclaim, loosen, slacken + il -of
Varla Stone
varla -hardly, barely (Icelandic).In sense hard to find, get again, there was only set amount of Varla stones
Angalmo
angor -anxiety
almo Dative and Ablative of almus, alma -nourishing, cherishing
Skyrim
Sky's rim in German version Himmelsrand -sky's rim (solved by Nalion)
sky -cloud (Old Norse) + rim -hoarfrost (Danish) from Old Norse hrím for frosty and cloudy climate
Brena River
bre?a -scrub, rough ground
Corbolo River
corbolo -small basket (corbis -basket + -ol -little, small) in Italian corbello -basket
Fanacasecul
fanacum from fanum -sanctuary, temple and ac -ing, having a tendency
seculis -secular, earthly, worldly, pagan
Nagastani
??? (nāga) -snake, cobra, class of beings associated with waters, rivers, lakes, seas, wells and are generally regarded as guardians of treasure
-stan -home (suffix) from Persian stān -place of
Vilverin
villa -a country house, villa
verinus -of truth, verum -truth
Valus Mountains
vallus -palisade, point, post (mountain on border, like palisade between two countries)
Cingor
cingor from cingere -surround, encircle, ring, accompany
Shuravi
??? (shūra) -brave + ??? (vira) -hero (Sanskrit)
Agata
Latinized form of Greek name Αγαθη (Agathē) derived from αγαθο? -good
Kalthar
caltha -marigold
Lerexus Callidus
callidus -crafty, sly, cunning, wise
Augusta Calidia
augustus, augusta -venerable, majestic, dignified, worthy of honor
calidia from calidus -warm, hot, fiery, eager, rash
Faelian
faelianus from faeles -cat
Gemellus Axius
gemellus -twin
Axius -Roman nomen
Ra'jiradh
??? (jīra) -quick, speedy, active
Urjabhi
???? (ūrja) -power, strength, vigour, life
Selene -name from σεληνη (selēnē) -moon
Rana
Lat. rana -frog
Varondo
varando Gerund of varare -to launch, to pass, to approve (Italian)
Usheeja
????? (ushij) -wishing, desiring, striving earnestly, zealous (Sanskrit)
Fort Ontus
οντω? (ontōs) -really, actually
Fort Dirich
dìrich -to climb (Scottish Gaelic)
Orrin
orere -to burn (later Latin) [was blacksmith]
Contumeliorus Florius
contumēlia -insult, humiliation
flos, floris -flower
Anga
angaria -service of angarius -public courier, messenger, service to a lord from αγγαρο? (angaros) -mounted courier for carrying royal dispatches (γγ in Greek is read as ng)
Lindai
λιγδο? (lindos) -mortar, clay mould (γδ in Greek is read as nd)
Moranda
moranda Gerund of morari -delay, stay, devote attention to
Wendir
vendere -to sell (one of Ayleid statues is there)
High Chancellor Ocato
occato from occo, occare -to harrow
Servatius Quintilius
servatius from servo, servare -watch over, protect, keep, guard
Quintilius -Roman gens name or quintus from quinque -fifth
Caranya
??? (karaNa) -clever, skillful, doing, making (Sanskrit)
Herminia Cinna
cinnus -a mixed drink of spelt-grain and wine
Tertius Favonius
tertius -third from tres -three
favonius -west wind
Delos Fandas
fandus, fanda -that may be spoken, proper, lawful
Velus Hosidius
vellus -fleece
Hosidius or Hosidia -nomen from Ancient Rome
Vinicia Melissaeia
melissa, melissae -balm
Agarmir
Agar -Norwegian name variant of Hagar -flight + mir -peace (Slavic)
Collatinus Vedius
collatus -bring together, discuss, debate, oppose
Vedius -name of Roman gens
Astinia Atius
astina from astus -craft, cunning, guile, trick
Atius -name of Roman gens
Puny Ancus
ancus -group of musical notes (Medieval Latin)
Trenus Duronius
threnus -song of mourning, lamentation, dirge, elegy from θρηνο? (thrēnos) -dirge, lament, complaint
durus -hard, stern, harsh, rough, cruel
Narina Carvain
narina -of nose from naris -nostril, nose
Carius Runellius
carius from carus -dear, beloved
Selena Orania
σεληνη (selēnē) -moon
oranis from os, oris -mouth, speech, expression
Arentus Falvius
arens, arentis -dry parched, waterless, dried, parching (thirst)
Skjorta
skjorta -shirt (Swedish)
Arnora Auria
arno Dative and Ablative of arnus -lamb
aurum -gold
Novaroma
nova, novus -new, fresh, unusual, extraordinary
Roma -Rome or from aroma
Sedor
sedor from sedo, sedare -settle, allay, restrain, calm down
Sancre Tor
sancire, sanxi, sanctum -to make or appoint as sacred, devote, dedicate
tor -tower (Old French) from Lat. turris -tower
Anaxes
αναξ (anax) -master, lord
Mankar Camoran
manceps -owner, master, chief (manus -hand + capere -take hold, seize, grasp)
camur, camura, camurum -curved, bent, crocked
Miscarcand
miscere -mix, mingle, embroil, confound, stir up
candeo, candere -be of brilliant whiteness, shine, gleam, glow, sparkle (probably because of white exterior reflecting sunlight)
Deetsan
?????? (ditsā) -desire or intention of giving (Sanskrit)
Falcar
falcar from falx, falcis -sickle, scythe -ar suffix for instrument, place for special purpose
Malada
Lat. mala, malus -bad, evil, wicked + da (Imperative 2 person singular) from dare -to give or from ?? (mala) -filth, dirt, dust, sin, impurity + ? (da) -giving, granting, producing (Sanskrit)
Fort Aurus
aurum -gold
Fort Cuptor
cupere -wish, long, be eager for, desire, want + -tor masculine agent noun suffix
Ayleid
αυλη (aylē) -chamber, hall, any dwelling, courtyard
ειδο? (eidos) -form, shape, to be or become like
Fort Facian
facianus from facies -shape, face. look, appearance, beauty, achievement
Fort Sejanus
Seianus from Seius -Roman gens name
Bravil
bravilis -of gamble from bravere -gamble + il -able to, having the passive quality
Fanacas
fanacum from fanum -sanctuary, temple + -ac -ing, having tendency
Gaiar Alata
γαια (gaia) -earth, land, country
alata, alatus -winged, furnished with wings, ala -wing
Kemen
kemen -earth (Quenya)
Uriel Septim
????????? ('Uri'el) -god is my light, also Hebrew name (Hebrew).Uriel was one of the seven archangels in Hebrew tradition. He is mentioned only in the Apocrypha
septimus -seventh
Regulus Terentius
regulus -petty king, prince (rex, regis -king + ul -little, small)
Viera Lerus
vis -strength, force, power, might + era -mistress, lady
Ungolim
ungula -hoof, bird claw/talon, toe nail
Skingrad
skin -shine, shimmer, brightness (Icelandic) from skína -to shine (Old Norse)
grad -city (Slavic)
Mercator Hosidus
mercator -trader, merchant
Erthor (earth + -or Latin suffix that makes nouns from verbs)
Sulinus Vassinus
sulinus from sulum -everything
Valandrus Abor
abor from absum, abesse -be away, absent, distant
Sinderion
sinder -cinder, ashes (Old English), he was alchemist
Toutius sixtius
tutius -without risk, danger, safely, securely
sixtius -Roman gens name, sixtus -sixth
Seridur
serum -late hour
durus -hard, cruel
Fanacas
fanacum from fanum -sanctuary, temple + -ac -ing, having a tendency
Morahame
mora -nightmare (Slavic)
hamme -home (Middle Low German)
Nornalhorst
horst -the nest of a bird of prey, thicket (German)
Bruma
bruma -winter, winter cold/weather, winter solstice, shortest day
Sacellum Arden-Sul
sacellum -shrine
ardens, ardentis -burning, glowing, shining, brilliant
sulum, suli -everything
Umaril
umerus -shoulder, bearing a burden
il -of a, pertaining to, in a condition of
Hieronymus Lex
'ιερο? (hieros) -holy
unire -unite
lex -law
Flame of Agnon
αγνω? (agnōs) -unknown, dark, obscure
Umbacano
umbo -boss (of a shield)
canus -white, gray, aged, old
Sontaire
sons, sontis -guilty
Haskill
Haskell -an English patronymic surname derived from Old Norse name áskell (áss, óss -god + ketill -(sacrificial ) cauldron, helmet)
Namira
na, nare -swim, float
mira, mirus -wonderful, strange, extraordinary
Suurootan
????? (sūrya) -sun (Sanskrit) + tan
Viator Accius
viator -traveler from via -way, road
accire -send for, summon, invite
Bhisha
???? (bhīShā) -act of frightening, intimidation
Volanaro
volare -fly
nare -swim
Elytra
elytron -sheath or outer covering over the hindwings of certain insects (Coleoptera), plural is elytra from ελυτρον (elytron) -sheath
Ruma
ruma, rumen -throat
Carac Agaialor
carus -dear, beloved, costly, precious, valued
ac -having a tendency
αγαιομαι (agaiomai) -(in good sense) admire,(in bad sense) look on with jealousy or envy
(Ionic for αγαμαι (agamai)
αγαιο? (agaios) -enviable
lorica -leather cuirass, enclosure, defence of any kind
Caldana Monrius
caldanus from caldus, calda -warm, hot, fiery, rash
munire -fortify, strengthen, protect, defend (on her key name is spelled monirus)
Lake Rumare
rumare form of ruminare -chew over again, ruminate (figuratively to think again and again, to meditate, reflect)
Welkynd (solved by Dumbkid)
welkin -sky (archaic)
kind -child (German)
Ungarion
ungere -anoint/rub with oil, smear with oil/grease
Muurine
murinus, murina -gray mouse (NeoLatin)
Talos
θαλο? (thalos) -scion, child
ταλω? (talōs) -sun (Cretan) 'ηλιο? (hēlios) -sun (name of metal construct around Crete from Greek mythology)
Umbra
umbra -shadow, shade, ghost
Ushnar
???? (uShNa) -hot, warm, ardent, passionate
Una Armina
una -one (used for feminine nouns) or una -together, along with
armina from armum -arms, weapons, armor, equipment

Velvin Benirus velvet, Lat. bene -good + russian
Skyrim sky + hrim -hoarfrost (Old Norse), icy sky for cold climate
Tamriel tamar -palm tree + i -my + el -god (Hebrew)
Pelinal Lat. pellere -to thrust, to push + in + al -of, related to

Links:
Morrowind etymology: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1194937-morrowind-etymology/
http://forums.uesp.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16608
Oblivion etymology: http://forums.uesp.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16628

Looking at English etymology can provide hints http://www.etymonline.com/ it is based on the similar principle
For anyone interested can look free latin dictionary http://users.erols.com/whitaker/words.htm or free Diogenes greek
and latin dictionary

Explanation of some Latin verbs meanings:
amo -I love, amare -to love, amavi -I have loved, amatus -having been loved, beloved (root is am)
beo -I bless, beare -to bless, beavi -I have blessed, beatus -blessed (root is be)
video -I see, videre -to see, vidi -I have seen, visus -having been seen (root is vid)
venio -I arrive, venire -to arrive, veni -I have arrived, ventus -arrived (root is ven)

-or makes noun from verb like: amor -love (from amare -to love), timor -fear (from timere -to fear)
-or can also be for present passive like: beor -I am blessed, amor -I am loved

examples from English etymology:
transfer L. trans -across + ferre -to bear, to carry
confer L. con-, com- together, [censored] -with + ferre -to bear, to carry, word conference is also derived from it.
conifer L. conus -cone + ferre -to bear, to carry
cruciferous L. crux, crucis -cross + ferre -to bear, to carry
differ, different L. dis -apart + ferre -to bear, to carry, L. differre -set apart, put off, delay
offer L. ob -to, in front, against + ferre -to bear, to carry
reference L. re -back, again + ferre -to bear, to carry
suffer L. sub -under + ferre -to bear, to carry, L. sufferre -to bear, undergo, endure

epidemic Gr. επι (epi) -upon, on + δημο? (dēmos) -people
energy Gr. εν (en) -in + εργον (ergon) -work
octopus Gr. οκτω (oktō) -eight + που? (pous) -foot
transit L. trans -across + ire, itus -to go
previous L. prae -before + via -the way
exit L. ex -out, from + ire, itus -to go
ancient F. ancien, LL. antianus from L. ante -before
effect L. ex -out, from + facere -to make
summit L. summus -highest
atmosphere Gr. ατμο? (atmos) -steam + σφαιρα (sphaira) -ball, sphere
symbol Gr. συν (syn) -with, together + βαλλω (ballō) -to throw, put
alarm It. all' arme -to arms
suburb L. sub -below + urbs, urbis -city
symmetry Gr. συν (syn) -with, together + μετρον (metron) -measure
core L. cor -heart
artifact L. ars, artis -art + facere, factus -to make
prophecy Gr. προ (pro) -before + φημι (phēmi) -to tell
add L. addere -add to, join (ad -to + do, dare -to give)
object L. ob -toward, against + jacere, jactus -to throw
hippopotamus Gr. 'ιππο? (hippos) -horse + ποταμο? (potamos) -river
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 9:12 pm

Wow. Pretty cool. :tops: Makes you realize how much work the devs put in this game. Nice work.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 10:32 am

Wow. Pretty cool. :tops: Makes you realize how much work the devs put in this game. Nice work.

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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 7:39 pm

Wow. Pretty cool. :tops: Makes you realize how much work the devs put in this game. Nice work.

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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 8:39 pm

Raminus Polus could also be Ra (Egyptian God of the Sun) and Minus (Latin for negative or anti or something the like) And Polus could be a Pole. (As n North or South pole) So... Pole of Darkness?
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 11:19 pm

Raminus Polus could also be Ra (Egyptian God of the Sun) and Minus (Latin for negative or anti or something the like) And Polus could be a Pole. (As n North or South pole) So... Pole of Darkness?


That sounds hawt :hubbahubba:
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 10:56 am

Wow. Pretty cool. :tops: Makes you realize how much work the devs put in this game. Nice work.

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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 11:27 pm

Now you've gotten me interested in etymology.
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Post » Fri May 13, 2011 7:45 pm

For those interested in etymology:

Websites:
Wiktionary (has many languages and can guess words), Wikipedia
http://www.behindthename.com/ (has names from many countries with etymology)
Nordicnames (very extensive with etymology) http://www.nordicnames.de/wiki/Main_Page
http://surnames.behindthename.com/ (sometimes game name is actually from surname)
http://www.etymonline.com/ (this is general etymology of English words)
http://www.viking.no/e/france/lndscpe-place-names.htm (example how real place names were made from Old

Free software:
Whitaker's words (for Latin, can guess from which words is combined from and recognizes grammar forms)
http://users.erols.com/whitaker/words.htm
Diogenes (largest free dictionary for Greek and Latin but difficult to search)
http://www.dur.ac.uk/p.j.heslin/Software/Diogenes/
Monier Williams Sanskrit dictionary (has etymology as well)
http://members.chello.nl/l.bontes/sans_n.htm
Freelang has many dictionaries (for this I used German)
http://www.freelang.net/
Aksharamala input from Google groups (for writing Sanskrit and Hindi)

Ra means sun in Ancient Egyptian (also name for god of sun with same meaning), appears in name Ramses (ra -sun + meses -born) but raminus -of branch and polus -small are definitely from Latin.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 7:46 am

Very interesting, Xand. Thank you! Good to see you here again.

Anyone got anything on the derviation of Welkynd? Beyond the too-obvious Well + Kind? Although sometimes the obvious is correct.

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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 3:35 am

From Oblivion book Magic from the Sky Welkynd literally means sky child.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Magic_from_the_Sky

After some search I found:
Vela -(astronomy) a spring constellation of northern sky, said to resemble the sails of a ship from Lat. vēla pl. of vēlum -the sail of a ship
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Vela
Kind -child (German)
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kind

Also mora -forest (appears in Balmora, Sadrithmora) could be from Japanese 森 [もり] (mori) -forest
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 9:57 am

Anyone know what Azura means?

Edit: Besides the obviously named colour Azure
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 12:41 am

There is ongoing discussion on UESP wiki Community Portal about keeping or removing etymologies.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/UESPWiki:Community_Portal
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 4:14 am

Interesting. So what you're saying is:

Raminus Polus= Little Branch (No bragging rights there) or Branch of Heaven (I'd go with that meaning)
Cyrodiil= Of supreme power (Sounds about right)
Fanacasecul= Sanctuary from the tendencies of the world (sounds like a monastery)
Nagastani= Home of serpents/guardians (or Home of The Vyper :D )
Vilverin= Country house/Villa of truth (A court house, maybe?)
Augusta Calidia= Venerable Rash (I would change my name)
Contumeliorus Florius= Flower of Humiliation (Ouch- mommy and daddy had issues)
Servatius Quintilius= Fifth Protector (what happened to the other four?)
Agarmir= Flight of Peace (there goes the neighborhood)
Puny Ancus= Puny group of musical notes (bad song?)
Trenus Duronius= Cruel Lamentation (Something I gave this morning- don't ask)
Narina Carvain= Nostril of Carvain (Hey, it could be worse)
Arnora Auria= Gold Lamb (compaion for the Golden Goose?)
Sancre Tor= Sacred Tower (Appropriate)
Mankar Camoran= Bent Master (Definitely)
Malada= Producing Impurity (an industrial facility?)
Gaiar Alata= Winged Land (Look out! A flying landmass!)
Skingrad= City of Brightness (No wonder the Count rarely shows himself there)
Morahame= Home of Nightmares (I'd move out)
Sacellum Arden-Sul= Shrine that burns everything (A gathering place for pyromaniacs)
Umbacano= Old Boss (former employer?)
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 5:18 am

False etymology. The writers didn't run to their Sanskrit dictionary every time they wanted to name a generic NPC.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 4:30 am

While I will congratulate you on the amount of work you put into this, I think you will have to concede that many of these etymologies are tentative at best. You selected material from many different (European) languages and from diverse time periods. That way, it is rather easy to come up with vaguely similar words if you put little to no restriction on where you go looking for them.

Of greater importance is that etymology as try to practice it does not really lend itself to this kind of material. We are dealing with a fictional world here. "Sure," some will say, "but that doesn't mean the developers didn't take inspiration from this or that language." That is true, but by acknowledging that we are suddenly outside the realm of etymology. If we look at "where the developers might have gotten inspiration", all the etymologies listed above will probably fall into the following categories.

  • Words that have a very clear basis in a certain language, particularly often Latin. The dreadfully unoriginal "Corvus Umbranox" is an example. They are probably the result of a two-minute dictionary hunt.

  • Words that were meant to sound like a particular language. For Latin, the majority of Imperial names and words fall into this category. With a big enough dictionary and some critical leeway, it'll always be possible to find a word that seems related. For example, the developers could indeed have been inspired by a Greek root word that meant "really, actually" to name the fort Ontus. Or they just put five letters together and made something that sounded good.

  • Other names more likely than not were based on no other criterion than sounding good or at least foreign. The Khajiit names are a good example. Maybe the developers wanted to insinuate the innkeeper was a brave hero. Or they just put a bunch of letters together.


I will not be stopping you, but I hope you realize that most of the etymologies you come up with are things you read into those words yourself. For that reason, I agree with the criticism on UESP, and not on grounds of any sort of lore-related argument either. Unless you are dealing with blatant references (at which point spelling out the etymology may become superfluous), these etymologies are simply make-belief.



How about some in-world etymology though: why has everyone so far overlooked what I believe is one of the few instances of the Oblivion developers using a name that is meaningful beyond gratuitous translation? Or does it seem like a coincidence that the same mountain range is called Valus on one side and Veloth on the other?
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 7:47 am

What are you getting at there Adanorcil
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 11:58 am

I always use etymology when researching things, it can be very helpful in deciphering the developer's intention. Particularly for place names when there is no established lore on the location. For example, in an RP going on right now I have a city in High Rock called Meir Thorvale. There is no concrete lore on the city, so I decided to look it up, and Meir means "Bright One" or "Wise One" and Thor is a reference to the celtic god of thunder/lightning. Being that a vale is a wide river valley with a flat bottom, I concluded that Meir Thorvale is a river community high in the mountains. Further down the Wrothgarians, Eagle Brook is an Imperial fort built along the same river, or brook if you will. Fun stuff :goodjob:
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 8:26 am

On UESP wiki there is now agreement to create new page Lore:Etymology.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/UESPWiki:Community_Portal
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 2:20 am

Mankar Camoran
manceps -owner, master, chief (manus -hand + capere -take hold, seize, grasp)
camur, camura, camurum -curved, bent, crocked


So....Crooked Master? Sounds about right.


edit: Someone try for Morihaus or Pelinal.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 5:01 am

False etymology. The writers didn't run to their Sanskrit dictionary every time they wanted to name a generic NPC.

I'm inclined to think this, as well.

@Adanorcil: agreed. Having everything "translated" into English for the games (assuming the inhabitants of Nirn do not speak English) means that the original untranslated words can't have the same etymologies as the english translation.

For example, someone once told me that "cake" can also mean the black crap that accumulates in chimneys. And so, he said, that would be what Marie Antoinette meant when she said "if they can't have bread, let them eat cake" - not the tasty dessert. HOWEVER, one must recall that Marie Antoinette spoke French, and the word for the tasty dessert is definitely distinct in spelling from whatever the French word is for black burned chimney crap.

So, here's the conundrum facing fantasy writers. You can try to be clever and make up "foreign" words by using other Earth languages. The flaw here is that now you've interposed Earth into the fantasy world. Honestly, it isn't something people tend to think about. For example, what's your name? Many names actually mean something in another language (Peter = "rock" in Hebrew, if I recall correctly). So, now you have to make a decision. Are you going to call your fantasy dude Peter or Rock? Weaseling out of this, you can make up a name - a fantasy name - and then attribute a meaning to it. Then you break the assumption that the language and names in this fantasy world are being translated directly into English (unless, of course, you decide to make an explicit note that place names, words that have no direct translation, and people names retain their 'fantasy' spelling in order to preserve/create atmosphere).
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 1:04 pm

I'm agreeing with Adanorcil here. While it's fun to see what kind of meaning might be behind a word, it
a.) should be taken with more than a grain of salt, because the etymology proposed here might not be "true" in the sense of how the word was really created by the responsible dev
b.) is one's own interpretation of the word. For example, I could propose other etymologies, for example Kvatch - which sounds exactly like Quatsch in German, which means "nonsense". Another example: Skyrim. Why bother looking for danish or old norse words when the intended meaning could just be plain english "sky" and "rim"? The German translation features exactly this interpretation, Skyrim is "Himmelsrand", sky's rim.

In essence, there's way to much space for different interpretations and we can't know how the one or other word came into being in TES context. I personally suppose it would go like "Hey, this sounds cool, let's take this name!" in a lot of cases. Which is perfectly okay, imho, mostly, that is - besides some pretty worn-out names, expecially those containing "umbra". ;)

I never noticed the Valus - Velothi correlation, Adanorcil, thanks for pointing that out. On that notion, I'd be interested in TES-internal etymology, for example like the Ayleid ruin/hall names related to what we know of the Ayleid language or general elvish (Balmora - Stone Wood, for example).
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 1:38 pm

Someone try for Morihaus or Pelinal.


Instead of looking outside of TES for our etymology, it might be worthwhile to look at the etymology within the lore.

http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/songofpelinal.shtml#1

http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/songofpelinal.shtml#2

There's also in-lore etymology for Alessia: http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/fragments_adabal-a.shtml
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 2:39 pm

I'm fully aware of that it's supposed to mean in the established Universe...I just wanna know if Pelinal or its component syllables means anything in any real world tongues.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 5:41 am

Ayleid language is probably based on real world languages take for example mora -forest (appears in Balmora, Sadrithmora) could be from Japanese 森 [もり] (mori) -forest
From Oblivion book Magic from the Sky Welkynd literally means sky child, kynd> Kind -child (German)
Kvatch is likely from quetschen -crush, press (German) from which is also derived kvetch -person who endlessly whines or complains, person who finds fault with anything from
Names like Ajira अजिर (ajira) -agile, quick, rapid (from Morrowind) are without mistake Sanskrit words and meaning quick or agile properly describes Khajit.
Peter is from Greek Πετρος -stone.If you are interested in common names etymology look at this site:
http://www.behindthename.com/

For those that doubt have a look at this:
Macaronic language refers to text spoken or written using a mixture of languages, Macaronic Latin specifically is a jumbled jargon made up of vernacular words given Latin endings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaronic_language
Dog Latin or mock Latin refers to the creation of a phrase or jargon in imitation of Latin often by directly translating English words (or those of other European languages) into Latin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_Latin
Hybrid word is a word which etymologically has one part derived from one language and another part derived from a different language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_word

If you look at examples of English etymology will see English words are also made similarly:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=habitat&searchmode=none (habitat)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=liberal&searchmode=none (liberal)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=octopus&searchmode=none (octopus)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=oblivion&searchmode=none (oblivion)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=spaghetti&searchmode=none (spaghetti)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=obvious&searchmode=none (obvious)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=facial&searchmode=none (facial)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=television&searchmode=none (television)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=compute (compute)

And discussion on UESP wiki has now gone more positive way:
I've had an idea for a kind of compromise. Let's create Lore:Etymology instead.
My main objection to the inclusion of etymologies on pages is that some of them may be accurate but are totally irrelevant. Others can be quite interesting. To pick two, we have this, which I think is irrelevant (even if true); versus this, which sounds like a plausible explanation for the word.
The idea behind a separate page is that even the less relevant ideas can be included. I'm not saying any of the recent suggestions have been wrong (well... maybe one or two), just that they aren't relevant to the NPC. A separate page purely on the subject of etymology could list those without distracting users from the important information about the NPC. Or place.
I'll suggest in advance that the page be tagged with {{quality}} - purely to indicate that it's more of a fan work than a definitive guide to TES naming conventions. Would this be a compromise acceptable to everyone? rpeh •T•C•E• 21:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
That sounds like an excellent suggestion, rpeh. ‒ Robin Hood↝Talk 22:54, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Agree, great idea. Rob-nick 05:10, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
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