I like both Oblivion and Skyrim. Skyrim obviously has da better graphics but, as no doubt with a lot of players on ps3, the lagging and screen freezes marred the experience greatly and turned a 10/10 game intio an 8 or a 9.

Wait, combat in Skyrim is better except Oblivion's is better.

Sense, it makes, does not.

I did like Oblivion's quests better.

However, Skyrim is much more rewarding if you explore. In Oblivion all of the extra dungeons and caves were pretty much just places to hack through. In Skyrim these feel more like stand alone adventures, meaning often you'll run into other adventurers and quests that were just waiting for you to find. Skyrim feels like an anthology of adventure wrapped around a short main quest. I'm past the 200 hour mark, and I feel I haven't seen half of the content.

True for everything but level scaking and phycic guards.

Or it could be that Oblivion is better than Skyrim in most aspects.

I never played Arena or Daggerfall. I saw Daggerfall, didn't float my boat.

I loved Morrowind. I loved Oblivion. I loved Skyrim.

I immediately saw that each game was not its predecessor. I judged each on its own merits.I am curious though..."by far" Oblivion was better, in your opinion. I think Oblivion had a great story, as good as Morrowind's. I agree that Skyrim's story isn't quite as good. But, I have a question- is it necessary for Skyrim's story to be "better" than Oblivion's to have Skyrim be a great game? Not in my opinion. It helps the game, certainly. But just as every great baseball hitter cannot hit a 'better' homerun in each game, neither can every succesive TES story get more epic and better and better, etc, for every player. The story is a large part of the game, but not the only part, and while Skyrim's story is solid, it's simply not as well done as Morrowind's or Oblivion's. A B grade instead of an A in that regard.

However, I disagree strongly that because Oblivion's dialogue was "funnier" that makes it "better". Exactly the opposite in fact. That would be like having a Three Stooges routine between Han, Luke, and Chewy during their escape from the Death Star. It's anachronistic to the mood and flavor of the story. Comic relief has it's place, but not in a way like you describe. I will admit that dialogue in OB was supposed to be background noise, when between NPCs, and I understand and accept that, but the humor you describe does not fit woth the flavor of the story and hurts the game rather than helps it in my opinion.

I don't see an advantage or disadvantage between OB and Skyrim's combat. They are both 'acceptably good' for me. I didn't buy either as a straight melee game so I do not fault either game in this regard. But both games have faults in combat. I think nether has an advantage over the other. Skyrim's is a little more interesting due to perks, that's all. But still, it's good enough

When Oblivion came out, almost every player moaned and cried about Quests. I posted here many times that I for one did not miss the dozens of "carry my laundry back to Balmora and I'll give you a gold piece" Quests. I also found the staccato "one little baby step at a time" Quests to be maddening in Morrowind. OK, get a belt. Now take that belt to Androcius Commode and tell him it's from me. OK, now do his five random tasks. OK, now bring the belt back". How about "take that belt to Androcius, talk to him, and tell me what happened". No need for the busywork, just tell me what you want. But people didn't feel that was 'dumbing' anything down, the fact that the game made you do one baby step at a time. Players felt that was 'good' because it was 'detailed'. I found it hand-holding because you never really had to remember anything but the next little tiny baby-step.

I don't find Skyrim especially buggy. I had 1 CTD in 130 hours, and then 4 CTDs from 130 to 135 hours. Since I haven't had a single issue since then, I think it was something scheduled on my PC and I happened to have been playing.

Overall, I find Skyrim better than Oblivion on several points, including magic. Magic was never interesting or really hard before. The incredibly UGLY vanilla OB faces were something else. I guess Cyrodiil's been on a lemon-only diet for some time! Skyrim feels more fluid, things make more sense overall. Town in OB seemed to have been placed with no thought to why a town was there. In Skyrim they make sense. Most importantly, the sense of 'what's over that hill, and surprise might I see", which for me was the best part of Morrowind, is back in Skyrim. In Oblivion, I wanted to see what was over that hill, but I didn't feel I'd be surprised when I got there

I love Skyrim, but it has some things that disappoint me though. For starters the Character Creation isn't as detailed as oblivion's, by that I'm talking about the amount of options one has in oblivion compared to skyrim. Next is the fact that is no spell creation, i understand that there a great amount of spells in the game and a good variety as well, but nothing beats your own custom made ones. Third the combat is still dry and not very appealing, and the finishers...ehh. They seem almost like a last minute addition, some are just terrible in quality compared to others. Finally i just hate the new level up system, aside from the perks. Every time i bring up the level up page and seeing just Magicka Health Stamina bothers me that they simplified it so much. I felt that attributes fleshed out your character much more and made you think on what you needed to level up. The only real downside to it was that if you didn't max your endurance from the get go you would be missing out on a lot of health.

But that's just me. I still love skyrim and will continue to play, I just hope they don't over simplify the next Fallout like they did skyrim.

1. The voice acting was crap in oblivion.

2. Buggiest game i've played in years.

Totally agree. Oblivion with THIS graphic would rocks!

Never finished the mainquest in Oblivion, but did so in Skyrim yesterday.

If I think about it, there are things that Oblivion did better (still liked the skills and stats more than the perks) ... but generally, Skyrim is better imho. Oblivion to me felt soulless, generic ... Skyrim (again, my opinion) has great atmosphere.

I only enjoyed Oblivion because of hundreds of mods ... I'm enjoying Skyrim with only one mod at the moment ... can't wait for the toolset.

Geez, is this topic still active?

These are all pure opinions.

Dragons have nothing to do in what I said. Really, you don't see the difference between the two games? You're not playing Skyrim are you? If you did, you would have noticed that:

- in Oblivion, your path is set up for you from the beginning. You witnessed the murder of the king: you must help the Blades. That's exactly how children are treated, they have no choice whatsoever.
- in Skyrim, it's up to you to decide which path to chose: the Empire or the Rebellion. Only advlts have this possibility (whatever you think).
- in Oblivion, the Good were actually very good and the Bad were actually very bad. The line between them was very thick: you knew exactly who was who. That's how (bad) stories for children are made; they show them the world as something very clear. Bad is bad. Good is Good.
- in Skyrim, there is no such thing as a "good side", both are actually bad. The Empire maintain its presence in the provinces through violence. Days are gone when everyone could benefit of their "grandeur". They use torture, don't allow their opponents to have fair trials; their soldiers look like mercenaries and the Blades are quite shady. (Would you say that Baurus or Jauffre are shady? No.) The Stormcloaks, especially Ulfric, are a bunch of nationalists, racist, xenophobic bastards who probably also practice torture and kill without bothering to put their opponents into trial. Whatever your choice you'll be wrong. Do you know many games where the player has to chose to join the wrong side? That's what life, real life is made of, you have to make choices that sometimes will make you happy and sometimes will be very frustrating.
What about the Nords in Skyrim? The true Nords are the people who live a simple life, who work every day and raise their children so that they become decent people, exactly like in the real life. Skyrim introduces real life realities into a game; Oblivion is for the children who think that life is black or white. :wink_smile:

P.S.: I forgot the Forsworns, who are supposedly fighting for a "free" Skyrim; but they are violent beasts who kill indiscriminately men, women, children, animals. Does that remind you of something? They are the image in the game of all these terrorists, any kind of them, who kill innocent people supposedly for a good reason, everywhere in this sad world.

The nostalgia train keeps on rolling.

Morrowind came out, people complained Daggerfall was better.
Oblivion came out, people complained Morrowind was better.
Skyrim came out, people are complaining that Oblivion was better (which is just lol).

In both games you can simply ignore the mainquest and do what you want. No one forces you to do it.

But I agree with the rest of your post. I didn't actually go that deep with my brain posting. I was merely thinking about dragons being the most corny fantasy creature and therefore childish.

No to the OP. NO!

I really think there is a lot of this.

I'm viewing Skyrim as a different game from Oblivion, And Oblivion is different from Morrowind and Skyrim.

They all have certain plusses and minuses. I have not really explored Skyrim enough to fully compare with Oblivion and Morrowind.

But I know it is very a fun game, so far. And that is something it has in common with Oblivion and Morrowind.

Why buy a game if you want to play only half of it? It's stupid! Come on! lol It's like this other one who wants that the dragons be removed from the game! Nonsense! :facepalm:

I didn't say I'm going to do that but you still have a choice to do it if you want to.
Do the mainquest make up for half of the game?

I would like a nice relaxing day without dragons though, they're always interupting me :brokencomputer:

double post

And this is key. Oblivion was not DLC for Morrowind, and Skyrim was not DLC for Oblivion. They are not "modules" you plug into your TES game.

Many players seem to expect that they are, however. The developers already made those other games. They have made something different this time, as they always have in each TES game

There is one thing that puts Oblivion above Skyrim for me, because skyrim is better then Oblivion on most counts but this one count over-rides it all...

Oblivion had much better story development and execution! Those that would deny it are simply lying, the guild quest lines in skyrim are a complete joke and skyrim's main quest is almost a complete walk over, so much so you might as well be reading a book or playing Final Fantasy 13... Skyrim is probably better then oblivion in 50 times the area then Oblivion is better then skyrim (and remember Oblivion had greaves, two rings, non-broken destruction and spell making before commenting it's just this one issue) but storyline matters. Now don't get me wrong, FFXIII was a good movie, just not a good game, then again it's about 10 times longer then any normal movie where as skyrim's storyline is over quicker then an episode of the simpsons.

As for the issue of skyrim's vs oblivion's battles. Skyrim clearly has a better combat system hands down, the issue is with too many weak grunts in dungeons the combat lasts about 3 seconds against some grunts they're that under-powered. I don't think level-locking dungeons was the way to go since fighting normal Draugr at level 60+ is literally nothing more then chaining one-hit kills and radiant quests sometimes require you to go back through a dungeon you did at level 15. Even in same level dungeons, there is clearly a feeling of these are grunts and then at the end, this is the "boss" which is just a harder longer lasting mob most of the time and not really boss truly boss fight as just pumped up on stats...

I played Morrowind for 1000 hours.

I played Oblivion for 30 hours.

I played Skyrim (so far) for 210 hours.


Oblivion was too generic and you were too chained down to the main questline. Dungeons were incredibly generic. Oblivion Gates were a chore. Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood Quests were the only redeeming factors for me. Those were amazing. And the graphics were like a child's coloring book with water dumbed on them. Blurry, murky mess with terribly characters.

Skyrim still retains the typical awkwardness found in Bethesda titles, but the entire setting is a huge step up. The main quest was better, but I do think the Companions storyline was incredibly botched. Haven't touched on the others yet.

I think Skyrim is alot better that Oblivion

You obviously didn't play it long enough or you were just too nostalgic wanting everything to be as Morrowind (as 90% of the users on this forum).

Every quest (including the main one) were better and more immersive in Oblivion.

You think what you think and there is nothing wrong with that. We all do that.
I loved every elder scrolls game I've played daggerfall Morrowind oblivion and skyrim and with every new title, many things get refined and streamlined while sacrificing a few others. With this in mind and considering the alternative, I would say every title has been better than its predecessor, even though some awesome aspects always get lost in the shuffle.