Oblivion w/ LAA : IV - Oblivion

» Tue May 03, 2011 1:02 am

Interesting. I generally have little trust of outside utilities like that. I can't really see what it would be doing though that could be any more lightning fast than fast exit 2.

» Tue May 03, 2011 9:54 am

Interesting. I generally have little trust of outside utilities like that. I can't really see what it would be doing though that could be any more lightning fast than fast exit 2.

Typically when I exit with Fast Exit 2. I will see two windows pop up for a split second. One small and one large.
The difference mainly is that I see absolutely nothing when I exit. Just my desktop... immediately!

I agree.... I typically don't trust 3rd party programs either. However, this one has been very good so far.

» Tue May 03, 2011 8:57 am

Is the new version 2.2 Game Booster still cobbled until payment?, it used to be completely free until after v1.6, then the better functions became locked out I think (or advertising related setup .. cant remember lost track since it went that way)

» Mon May 02, 2011 11:47 pm

That sort of thing is WHY I don't typically trust 3rd party utilities.

» Tue May 03, 2011 8:56 am

Here are the services Game Booster 2.2 disables...

Application Experience
Desktop Window Manager Session Manager
Diagnostic Policy Service
Diagnostic Service Host
Diagnostic System Host
Distributed Link Tracking Client
Encrypting File System (EFS)
Human Interface Device Access
IP Helper
Offline Files
Program Compatibility Assistant Service
Windows Font Cache Service
Windows Search
WinHTTP Web Proxy Auto-Discovery Service

My guess is disabling Windows Search is a big helper.
You can customize disabling services thru a simple .ini file if needed.
The only additional options the free version doesn't give you are "System Tweaks" Basically a broader range of services that it kills.
Looks like it freed up about 350 - 400mb of RAM. Not bad... Sure I could of done it manually, but the ability to turn it off and on on-the-fly is awesome!

» Tue May 03, 2011 4:39 am

Yep I think I am still better off with 1.6.

list of services shut down ~additional~ to yours ..

Background Intelligent Transfer Service
Computer Browser
Function Discovery Provider Host
Function Discovery Resource Publication
Peer Name Resolution Protocol
Peer Networking Group
Peer Networking Identity Manager
Windows Image Acquisition

There were a couple on your list not in mine, but those are ones I have disabled manually when setting up the OS so they do not auto-start.

Also because 1.6 is not cobbled it shuts down things typically found via msconfig, virus checker, launch managers, extra sound setup management software not required, systray additions, and for those that allow them to install all the background crap things like ITunes installs, update services etc.

Only minor snag with 1.6, it asks on install to also install a browser helper object (forget what it was), but at least it does ask and you just un-check it.

~~http://wareseeker.com/download/game-booster-1.6.rar/7ed8ab5a5~~ <-Wrong link now gives 2.2 - See http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1071593-oblivion-w-laa/page__view__findpost__p__17096841 for link for 1.6

» Mon May 02, 2011 8:48 pm

May I ask what OS you are using? Maybe the difference in available options have to do with different OS installs?

» Tue May 03, 2011 3:39 am

Win 7 on the laptop, XP on the desktop (the above list on Win 7, but I am pretty sure most of those are familiar from XP too)

» Tue May 03, 2011 1:44 am

Win 7 on the laptop, XP on the desktop (the above list on Win 7, but I am pretty sure most of those are familiar from XP too)

Hmm I'm running Win7 64-bit. Don't know if that makes a difference. Newer doesn't always equal better in this case...

Here is the .ini list of services disabled. I think some just are hidden, because the .ini list is much longer...

Spoiler

[servicelist_win7]
AxInstSV=1
SensrSvc=1
AeLookupSvc=1
ALG=1
AppMgmt=1
BITS=1
BDESVC=1
bthserv=1
PeerDistSvc=1
CertPropSvc=1
Browser=1
UxSms=1
VaultSvc=1
DPS=1
WdiServiceHost=1
WdiSystemHost=1
TrkWks=1
EFS=1
Fax=1
fdPHost=1
FDResPub=1
hkmsvc=1
hidserv=1
UI0Detect=1
SharedAccess=1
iphlpsvc=1
PolicyAgent=1
KtmRm=1
lltdsvc=1
Mcx2Svc=1
swprv=1
MSiSCSI=1
NetTcpPortSharing=1
Netlogon=1
napagent=1
CscService=1
PNRPsvc=1
p2psvc=1
p2pimsvc=1
pla=1
IPBusEnum=1
PNRPAutoReg=1
WPDBusEnum=1
wercplsupport=1
PcaSvc=1
QWAVE=1
SessionEnv=1
TermService=1
UmRdpService=1
RpcLocator=1
RemoteRegistry=1
RemoteAccess=1
SCardSvr=1
SCPolicySvc=1
SNMPTRAP=1
sppuinotify=1
SSDPSRV=1
StorSvc=1
TabletInputService=1
TBS=1
WebClient=1
WbioSrvc=1
idsvc=1
WcsPlugInService=1
wcncsvc=1
WerSvc=1
Wecsvc=1
FontCache=1
StiSvc=1
ehRecvr=1
ehSched=1
WMPNetworkSvc=1
WinRM=1
WSearch=1
W32Time=1
WinHttpAutoProxySvc=1

» Tue May 03, 2011 9:17 am

Skipping the XP and Vista lists

Spoiler

[servicelist_win7]
AxInstSV=1
SensrSvc=1
AeLookupSvc=1
ALG=1
AppMgmt=1
BITS=1
BDESVC=1
bthserv=1
PeerDistSvc=1
CertPropSvc=1
Browser=1
VaultSvc=1
DPS=1
WdiServiceHost=1
WdiSystemHost=1
TrkWks=1
EFS=1
Fax=1
fdPHost=1
FDResPub=1
hkmsvc=1
hidserv=1
UI0Detect=1
SharedAccess=1
iphlpsvc=1
PolicyAgent=1
KtmRm=1
lltdsvc=1
Mcx2Svc=1
swprv=1
MSiSCSI=1
NetTcpPortSharing=1
Netlogon=1
napagent=1
CscService=1
PNRPsvc=1
p2psvc=1
p2pimsvc=1
pla=1
IPBusEnum=1
PNRPAutoReg=1
WPDBusEnum=1
wercplsupport=1
PcaSvc=1
QWAVE=1
SessionEnv=1
TermService=1
UmRdpService=1
RpcLocator=1
RemoteRegistry=1
RemoteAccess=1
SCardSvr=1
SCPolicySvc=1
SNMPTRAP=1
sppuinotify=1
SSDPSRV=1
StorSvc=1
TabletInputService=1
TBS=1
WebClient=1
WbioSrvc=1
idsvc=1
WcsPlugInService=1
wcncsvc=1
WerSvc=1
Wecsvc=1
FontCache=1
StiSvc=1
ehRecvr=1
ehSched=1
WMPNetworkSvc=1
WinRM=1
WSearch=1
W32Time=1
WinHttpAutoProxySvc=1

74 for win 7 (204 in total)

Theres 77 in your list (just did a notepad++ side by side)

» Tue May 03, 2011 2:53 am

I would be interested to see your load order. Be honest... what is the longest you've played Oblivion without a CTD not using LAA?

I haven't crashed that wasn't my fault, in years, After reading this thread it is obvious why you are having trouble. You need to slow down and reinstall Oblivion (not your mods) to get rid of your alterations (and get rid of Game Booster) to find the true culprit.

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  You Are Here.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.2.1]03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]06  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.5.6]07  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]08  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0A  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0B  Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp0C  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp0D  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp0E  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.2]0F  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.2.1]10  Soundscaper.esp11  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.2]12  Cities Alive At Night.esp13  WindowLightingSystem.esp14  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.9]15  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.6.1]16  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.9]17  Crowded Roads Revisited.esp  [Version 1.1]18  Slof's Horses Essential.esp19  CallSteed3.0a.esp  [Version 3.0]1A  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp1B  Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp1C  Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp1D  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp1E  Francesco's Optional Files 1.esp1F  Francesco's Optional Files 2.esp20  OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp21  Knights.esp22  Knights Vwalk.esp23  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]24  Oblivion Gate Map Marker Remover.esp  [Version 1.1.0]25  Open Cities Reborn - Full Merge.esp  [Version 0.8]26  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.0.1]27  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.1.0]28  TimboeMultiMark & Recall.esp29  Mighty Magick - Core.esp  [Version 1.2]2A  Mighty Magick - Skills.esp  [Version 1.2]2B  Mighty Magick - Magicka Pool Progression.esp  [Version 1.2]2C  Mighty Magick - Side Effects.esp  [Version 1.2]2D  Mighty Magick - Sigil Stones.esp  [Version 1.2]2E  Mighty Magick - Restore Magicka Potions [Vanilla].esp  [Version 1.2]2F  OCRAnvil+Integration Path Grid Fix.esp  [Version 1.0]**  Open Cities Reborn Road Record.esp30  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Tue May 03, 2011 12:44 am

I haven't crashed that wasn't my fault, in years, After reading this thread it is obvious why you are having trouble. You need to slow down and reinstall everything and get rid of Game Booster to find the true culprit.

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  You Are Here.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.2.1]03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]06  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.5.6]07  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]08  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0A  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0B  Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp0C  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp0D  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp0E  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.2]0F  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.2.1]10  Soundscaper.esp11  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.2]12  Cities Alive At Night.esp13  WindowLightingSystem.esp14  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.9]15  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.6.1]16  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.9]17  Crowded Roads Revisited.esp  [Version 1.1]18  Slof's Horses Essential.esp19  CallSteed3.0a.esp  [Version 3.0]1A  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp1B  Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp1C  Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp1D  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp1E  Francesco's Optional Files 1.esp1F  Francesco's Optional Files 2.esp20  OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp21  Knights.esp22  Knights Vwalk.esp23  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]24  Oblivion Gate Map Marker Remover.esp  [Version 1.1.0]25  Open Cities Reborn - Full Merge.esp  [Version 0.8]26  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.0.1]27  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.1.0]28  TimboeMultiMark & Recall.esp29  Mighty Magick - Core.esp  [Version 1.2]2A  Mighty Magick - Skills.esp  [Version 1.2]2B  Mighty Magick - Magicka Pool Progression.esp  [Version 1.2]2C  Mighty Magick - Side Effects.esp  [Version 1.2]2D  Mighty Magick - Sigil Stones.esp  [Version 1.2]2E  Mighty Magick - Restore Magicka Potions [Vanilla].esp  [Version 1.2]2F  OCRAnvil+Integration Path Grid Fix.esp  [Version 1.0]**  Open Cities Reborn Road Record.esp30  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I agree that at times I might jump ahead of myself... Slowing down may be a good suggestion for me. Though, I'm not really experiencing any problems. In fact, some would say I've helped solve a big one. I wouldn't consider your load order "heavily modded". Running high texture packs is one thing, but not enough to stress out all components of your computer system. High res texture packs mostly only impact the amount of video ram used. When we refer players to use the LAA patch, it's mostly geared for players who have enough mods running that would force their game to exceed above the default 32-bit allocated memory ceiling for a program. If you haven't crashed in years, it's simply because you don't have enough mods to push your games memory usage to it's ceiling and beyond. However, I appreciate the response

Here is my current load order... Not nearly as extended as some. But it's enough to require the LAA patch.

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.2.1]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]08  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]09  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0A  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0B  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.9.0]0C  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0D  Toaster Says Share v3.esm0E  HorseCombatMaster.esm0F  Colourwheels sixy Female NPCs.esp10  xeoex.esp11  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]12  DLCShiveringIsles.esp13  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]++  Shivering OOO.esp14  Better Cities .esp15  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp16  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp17  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp18  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1A  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.2]1B  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.2.1]1C  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp1D  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.2]1E  WindowLightingSystem.esp1F  ChaseCameraMod.esp20  Days&Months.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]21  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.6.1]22  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.1]23  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]24  FormID Finder4.esp25  Get Wet - just droplets.esp26  RedDelPCB.esp27  Streamline 3.1.esp28  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.0]29  DLCHorseArmor.esp2A  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]2B  DLCOrrery.esp2C  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]2D  DLCVileLair.esp2E  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]2F  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp30  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]31  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Armamentium female.esp32  Colourwheels sixy Stock Armor & Clothing Replacer.esp33  Colourwheels sixy SI Armor & Clothing Replacer.esp34  Slof's Horses Base.esp35  DLCThievesDen.esp36  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]37  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]38  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]39  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp3A  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3B  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3C  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]3D  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]3E  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]3F  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]40  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]41  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]42  OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp43  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]44  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]45  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_NoWyverns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]46  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Lanterns.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]47  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]48  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]49  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4A  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4B  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  FCOM_ArcheryHunting&Crafting.esp  [Version 1]**  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4C  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4D  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  Fransfemale.esp4E  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - Loot Only.esp  [Version 1.2]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp4F  CNRP Bruma4OOO.esp  [Version 0.2]50  CNRP Chorrol4OOO.esp  [Version 1.1]51  CNRP DB for OOO.esp  [Version 1.0]52  CNRP Cheydinhal4OOO.esp  [Version 1.0]53  CNRP FightersGuild4OOO.esp  [Version 1.0]54  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]55  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp56  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp57  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp58  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]59  DLCFrostcrag.esp5A  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]5B  Knights.esp5C  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]5D  M.O.E. - Main Quest Delayer.esp  [Version 3]**  DLC_MOBS.esp++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]5E  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]5F  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]60  xulTheHeath.esp61  XulEntiusGorge.esp62  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]63  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]64  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]65  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]66  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]67  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]68  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]69  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]6A  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]6B  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]6C  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]6D  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.3]6E  xulPantherRiver.esp6F  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]70  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]71  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]72  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]73  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]74  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]75  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]76  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]77  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp78  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp79  OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp  [Version 1.0]7A  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 2.0.1]7B  Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp7C  RefScope.esp  [Version 1.3.0]7D  SetBody.esp7E  MidasSpells.esp7F  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.4]80  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]81  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]82  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]83  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]84  ProgressRacial.esp85  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]++  EyelashesVannilaRaces.esp86  CapsAdmin.esp87  Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp88  CompanionMaster.esp89  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.9.0]8A  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]8B  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.8.4]8C  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.8.1]8D  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.8.1]8E  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]8F  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.9.0]90  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.1]91  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]92  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]93  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.9.0]94  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp  [Version 4.9.0]95  ShippingInCyrodiil_BC_NL_V1-1--With Drawbridges.esp96  MRP - Loading area.esp**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 1.0]97  Personality Idles - Modified version.esp  [Version 1.3]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.2]98  Bashed Patch, 0.esp99  Killtastic! Toggle.esp9A  SSS.esp9B  DRSplatter.esp9C  SP1stPLegs.esp9D  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp9E  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp9F  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp

» Mon May 02, 2011 8:06 pm

Yeah that list isn't really that big at all. I'm the perfect candidate for the LAA patch. I run Vista 64 and have a huge list of stuff enabled. But actually, though, I can't tell if installing the 4gb patch did anything, because I installed it at the same time I first started using OSR. I have far fewer crashes now, which is all that matters I guess, but I maybe should have done some testing to see what fixed it.

» Tue May 03, 2011 7:10 am

~ Newer doesn't always equal better in this case...

Yes they gained the trust of a lot of users (even me usually with the same regard for such things as Arthmoor), then next version was a bit of a blow. I think they figured they had a big enough fan base to capitalize ...

Anyway, link I had bookmarked (given above) has changed to downloading the new version - Ironically if you go to IOBits site edit: Link and directions removed; Malware

I think 1.6 was as good as it ever was going to get (theres only so many services/background processes such a utility can shut down), since then it looks jazzier but has also grown its own background service size.

I remember .bat files on XP and Win 95 which pretty much did the same thing, which also shutdown windows as part of the process, with a wait for game exe to terminate then it continued with the rest of the commands re-launched windows and brought all services back online, a bit dodgy and you had to tailor the script to your own system - Game Booster is now getting too big for its boots I think.

» Tue May 03, 2011 10:32 am

I haven't crashed that wasn't my fault, in years, After reading this thread it is obvious why you are having trouble. You need to slow down and reinstall Oblivion (not your mods) to get rid of your alterations (and get rid of Game Booster) to find the true culprit.

If I had to play with that load order I wouldn't even bother - much less for years.

Even problematic crash prone installs like FCOM are very stable with under 100 mods.

To me the issue is no crashing (the load order would be too boring to necessitate that) ... no the issue to me is the load order that does not present consistent crashing. There is definitely a trade off to be had 200-250 mods and some texture replacers and a crash every couple of hours is a way better deal than 40 mods and no crashes.

I've never used game booster but appreciate the realistic discussion about it (instead of the spastic - try this from a forum user that then never returns).

» Tue May 03, 2011 7:44 am

Actually wow, this isn't really that big of a load order is it?

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:
* 00 Oblivion.esm
* 01 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
* 02 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
* 03 IWRRetrofittedMaster.esm
* 04 A_Bloody_Mess.esm
* 05 StarX Vampire Deaths.esm
* 06 Waalx Animals & Creatures.esm
* 07 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esm
* 08 Qarls_Harvest.esm
* 09 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.2.1]
* 0A ShieldOnBack.esm [Version 2.4]
* 0B DLCShiveringIsles.esp
* 0C Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
* 0D Knights.esp
* 0E Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1]
* 0F DLCHorseArmor.esp
* 10 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
* 11 DLCOrrery.esp
* 12 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
* 13 DLCFrostcrag.esp
* 14 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
* 15 DLCThievesDen.esp
* 16 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]
* 17 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]
* 18 DLCVileLair.esp
* 19 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
* 1A DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
* 1B DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
* 1C DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
* 1D DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
* 1E DLCSpellTomes.esp
* 1F DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
* 20 Global Chest 20 Portals Ayleid.esp
* 21 All Natural.esp [Version 1.2]
* 22 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.2.1]
* 23 RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.7]
* 24 RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.5]
* 25 Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.7]
* 26 Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp [Version 0.7]
* 27 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp
* 28 VanityCameraSmoother.esp
* 29 ChaseCameraMod.esp
* 2A Lynges Unlimited Death Reload Time.esp
* 2B FlyingCameraMod.esp [Version 1.3]
* 2C RedDelPCB.esp
* 2D SDCrystalBallLamps.esp
* 2E Guiding Beacons.esp
* 2F Gamluvrs_Magic_Lanterns.esp
* 30 P1DanywhereSittable.esp
* 31 ImmersiveWait.esp
* 32 DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]
* 33 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.8]
* 34 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.5]
* 35 Xero's Fame Indicator.esp
* 36 Display Stats.esp [Version 1.3.1]
* 37 MiniMap.esp
* 38 Spell Delete.esp
* 39 P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
* 3A fwDropGold.esp
* 3B Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.2.0]
* 3C Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
* 3D Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp [Version 0.1]
* 3E Real Lava 1.3.esp
* 3F BNewShockBoltEffects20.esp [Version 1.2]
* 40 New Frost Damage cloud2.esp
* 41 MIS.esp
* 42 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
* 43 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
* 44 AgarMoreVariedSpellEffects.esp
* 45 Distant Chapel Bells.esp
* 46 Musical Immersion 1.0.esp
* 47 MIS Low Wind.esp
* 48 Symphony of Violence.esp
* 49 ln.esp
* 4A All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.2]
* 4B Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp
* 4C Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp
* 4D Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
* 4E Book Jackets DLC.esp
* 4F Knights - Book Jackets.esp
* 50 GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp
* 51 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
* 52 Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
* 53 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]
* 54 Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
* 55 Qarls_Harvest.esp
* 56 Qarls_Harvest addon.esp
* 57 Leviathan Soulgems.esp
* 58 Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
* 59 Alluring Wine Bottles.esp
* 5A upperGothicClutter.esp
* 5B ImprovedSigns.esp
* 5C mz_Shields.esp
* 5D mz_Shields_SI.esp
* 5E Garak's Staff Replacer Fire&Ice.esp [Version 1.5]
* 5F Garak's Staff Replacer Blood&Lightning.esp
* 60 OriginalLeather.esp
* 61 OriginalLeatherSI.esp
* 62 PhysTaps Teaser Imperial Arena_Merchants Inn.esp
* 63 FarmersStrikeBack.esp
* 64 CT-Com's Torch Compendium.esp
* 65 Clutter Weapons.esp
* 66 WoTLightstick.esp
* 67 what.esp
* 68 SlimeDoll_v1.0.esp
* 69 equipablestuff.esp
* 6A fishclub.esp
* 6B IRaimFunnyItem.esp
* 6C JustABox.esp
* 6D ShowHideAmulet.esp
* 6E TTB.esp
* 6F JQ&DM-ScriptedBackpacks.esp
* 70 1HweaponOnBack.esp [Version 1.0]
* 71 TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
* 72 TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp
* 73 Better Redguard v2.esp
* 74 qazFingerSnap.esp
* 75 MotionReplacer.esp
* 76 Stylish Jump.esp
* 77 RealisticForceHigh.esp
* 78 StarX Vampire Deaths.esp
* 79 ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp
* 7A The Imperial Water.esp
* 7B Anvil_MorningGlory_Mixed.esp
* 7C Wayshrines Improved.esp
* 7D IWRRetrofittedWindows.esp
* 7E IWRRetrofittedLights.esp
* 7F IWRRetrofittedShutters.esp
* 80 PONWindows.esp
* 81 PONLights.esp
* 82 Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
* 83 dist_trees_x1_5.esp
* 84 SwampGrass.esp
* 85 diversegrasses.esp
* 86 WAC.esp
* 87 WAC - Birds&Insects.esp
* 88 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
* 89 AliveWaters.esp
* 8A AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
* 8B AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
* 8C Fish! - v1.1.esp
* 8D Slof's Horses Base.esp
* 8E Slof's Extra Horses.esp
* 8F FarmAnimalsofCyrodiil.esp [Version 1.4]
* 90 More_Animals.esp
* 91 mrSiikas_Animated_Ravens_and_Vultures.esp
* 92 PTFallingStars.esp
* 93 Rainbows.esp
* 94 Cliff's Smokey Chimneys.esp
* 95 PTAutumnTrees.esp
* 96 Shining Creatures.esp
* 97 Shining Creatures_DLCFrostcrag.esp
* 98 Give Me My Shader Effects.esp
* 99 [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp
* 9A A Bloody Mess - Bloody Fights.esp
* 9B BubbleFx.esp
* 9C [Hexaae] Get Wet v0.92.esp [Version 0.92]
* 9D Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.42]
* 9E unnatural_aura_by_trollf.esp
* 9F P1DlookHereYou.esp
* A0 talkwithyourhands2.esp
* A1 24HrArenaAliveV2.esp
* A2 TamrielTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
* A3 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
* A4 TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp [Version 1.39c]
* A5 Crowded Roads Revisited.esp [Version 1.1]
* A6 Crowded Roads Revisited_ChorrolCheydinhal_5.esp
* A7 Crowded Roads Revisited_GoldRoad_5.esp
* A8 Crowded Roads Revisited_GreenRoad_5.esp
* A9 Crowded Roads Revisited_YellowRoad_5.esp
* AA PTRoamingNPCs.esp
* AB Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
* AC VOILA.esp
* AD VOILA - Soldiers of Empire.esp
* AE Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.3]
* ** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.2]
* AF Bashed Patch, 0.esp
* B0 CSC RM CW EL.esp
* B1 Diverse Effect Icons.esp
* B2 lumi_enchantments_subtle.esp

I guess I just have a lot of disabled stuff in OBMM that makes it look a lot bigger.

» Tue May 03, 2011 8:41 am

Yes they gained the trust of a lot of users (even me usually with the same regard for such things as Arthmoor), then next version was a bit of a blow. I think they figured they had a big enough fan base to capitalize ...

Anyway, link I had bookmarked (given above) has changed to downloading the new version - Ironically if you go to IOBits site http://www.iobit.com/download.html and scroll right down the bottom of the page, above smart defrag is another version of Game Booster BUT dont click the name link, move your mouse over to the right and hit the free download link instead. Thats 1.6

Thanks for the detailed instructions. I will definitely give it a try. :thumbsup:

» Mon May 02, 2011 10:16 pm

If I had to play with that load order I wouldn't even bother - much less for years.

Umm, wow. Why the hostility? You do realize, of course that it is only my CURRENT load order. I have been modding OB, literally, since it came out. I don't need to justify my comments. Let's just leave at that I know what I am talking about. :wink_smile:

» Tue May 03, 2011 3:04 am

Actually wow, this isn't really that big of a load order is it?

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:
* 00 Oblivion.esm
* 01 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
* 02 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
* 03 IWRRetrofittedMaster.esm
* 04 A_Bloody_Mess.esm
* 05 StarX Vampire Deaths.esm
* 06 Waalx Animals & Creatures.esm
* 07 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esm
* 08 Qarls_Harvest.esm
* 09 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.2.1]
* 0A ShieldOnBack.esm [Version 2.4]
* 0B DLCShiveringIsles.esp
* 0C Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
* 0D Knights.esp
* 0E Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1]
* 0F DLCHorseArmor.esp
* 10 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
* 11 DLCOrrery.esp
* 12 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
* 13 DLCFrostcrag.esp
* 14 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
* 15 DLCThievesDen.esp
* 16 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]
* 17 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]
* 18 DLCVileLair.esp
* 19 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
* 1A DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
* 1B DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
* 1C DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
* 1D DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
* 1E DLCSpellTomes.esp
* 1F DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
* 20 Global Chest 20 Portals Ayleid.esp
* 21 All Natural.esp [Version 1.2]
* 22 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.2.1]
* 23 RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.7]
* 24 RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.5]
* 25 Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.7]
* 26 Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp [Version 0.7]
* 27 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp
* 28 VanityCameraSmoother.esp
* 29 ChaseCameraMod.esp
* 2A Lynges Unlimited Death Reload Time.esp
* 2B FlyingCameraMod.esp [Version 1.3]
* 2C RedDelPCB.esp
* 2D SDCrystalBallLamps.esp
* 2E Guiding Beacons.esp
* 2F Gamluvrs_Magic_Lanterns.esp
* 30 P1DanywhereSittable.esp
* 31 ImmersiveWait.esp
* 32 DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]
* 33 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.8]
* 34 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.5]
* 35 Xero's Fame Indicator.esp
* 36 Display Stats.esp [Version 1.3.1]
* 37 MiniMap.esp
* 38 Spell Delete.esp
* 39 P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
* 3A fwDropGold.esp
* 3B Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.2.0]
* 3C Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
* 3D Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp [Version 0.1]
* 3E Real Lava 1.3.esp
* 3F BNewShockBoltEffects20.esp [Version 1.2]
* 40 New Frost Damage cloud2.esp
* 41 MIS.esp
* 42 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
* 43 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
* 44 AgarMoreVariedSpellEffects.esp
* 45 Distant Chapel Bells.esp
* 46 Musical Immersion 1.0.esp
* 47 MIS Low Wind.esp
* 48 Symphony of Violence.esp
* 49 ln.esp
* 4A All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.2]
* 4B Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp
* 4C Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp
* 4D Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
* 4E Book Jackets DLC.esp
* 4F Knights - Book Jackets.esp
* 50 GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp
* 51 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
* 52 Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
* 53 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]
* 54 Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
* 55 Qarls_Harvest.esp
* 56 Qarls_Harvest addon.esp
* 57 Leviathan Soulgems.esp
* 58 Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
* 59 Alluring Wine Bottles.esp
* 5A upperGothicClutter.esp
* 5B ImprovedSigns.esp
* 5C mz_Shields.esp
* 5D mz_Shields_SI.esp
* 5E Garak's Staff Replacer Fire&Ice.esp [Version 1.5]
* 5F Garak's Staff Replacer Blood&Lightning.esp
* 60 OriginalLeather.esp
* 61 OriginalLeatherSI.esp
* 62 PhysTaps Teaser Imperial Arena_Merchants Inn.esp
* 63 FarmersStrikeBack.esp
* 64 CT-Com's Torch Compendium.esp
* 65 Clutter Weapons.esp
* 66 WoTLightstick.esp
* 67 what.esp
* 68 SlimeDoll_v1.0.esp
* 69 equipablestuff.esp
* 6A fishclub.esp
* 6B IRaimFunnyItem.esp
* 6C JustABox.esp
* 6D ShowHideAmulet.esp
* 6E TTB.esp
* 6F JQ&DM-ScriptedBackpacks.esp
* 70 1HweaponOnBack.esp [Version 1.0]
* 71 TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
* 72 TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp
* 73 Better Redguard v2.esp
* 74 qazFingerSnap.esp
* 75 MotionReplacer.esp
* 76 Stylish Jump.esp
* 77 RealisticForceHigh.esp
* 78 StarX Vampire Deaths.esp
* 79 ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp
* 7A The Imperial Water.esp
* 7B Anvil_MorningGlory_Mixed.esp
* 7C Wayshrines Improved.esp
* 7D IWRRetrofittedWindows.esp
* 7E IWRRetrofittedLights.esp
* 7F IWRRetrofittedShutters.esp
* 80 PONWindows.esp
* 81 PONLights.esp
* 82 Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
* 83 dist_trees_x1_5.esp
* 84 SwampGrass.esp
* 85 diversegrasses.esp
* 86 WAC.esp
* 87 WAC - Birds&Insects.esp
* 88 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
* 89 AliveWaters.esp
* 8A AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
* 8B AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
* 8C Fish! - v1.1.esp
* 8D Slof's Horses Base.esp
* 8E Slof's Extra Horses.esp
* 8F FarmAnimalsofCyrodiil.esp [Version 1.4]
* 90 More_Animals.esp
* 91 mrSiikas_Animated_Ravens_and_Vultures.esp
* 92 PTFallingStars.esp
* 93 Rainbows.esp
* 94 Cliff's Smokey Chimneys.esp
* 95 PTAutumnTrees.esp
* 96 Shining Creatures.esp
* 97 Shining Creatures_DLCFrostcrag.esp
* 98 Give Me My Shader Effects.esp
* 99 [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp
* 9A A Bloody Mess - Bloody Fights.esp
* 9B BubbleFx.esp
* 9C [Hexaae] Get Wet v0.92.esp [Version 0.92]
* 9D Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.42]
* 9E unnatural_aura_by_trollf.esp
* 9F P1DlookHereYou.esp
* A0 talkwithyourhands2.esp
* A1 24HrArenaAliveV2.esp
* A2 TamrielTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
* A3 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
* A4 TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp [Version 1.39c]
* A5 Crowded Roads Revisited.esp [Version 1.1]
* A6 Crowded Roads Revisited_ChorrolCheydinhal_5.esp
* A7 Crowded Roads Revisited_GoldRoad_5.esp
* A8 Crowded Roads Revisited_GreenRoad_5.esp
* A9 Crowded Roads Revisited_YellowRoad_5.esp
* AA PTRoamingNPCs.esp
* AB Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
* AC VOILA.esp
* AD VOILA - Soldiers of Empire.esp
* AE Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.3]
* ** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.2]
* AF Bashed Patch, 0.esp
* B0 CSC RM CW EL.esp
* B1 Diverse Effect Icons.esp
* B2 lumi_enchantments_subtle.esp

I guess I just have a lot of disabled stuff in OBMM that makes it look a lot bigger.

It's probably large enough for LAA to be effective. You can try running Oblivion in windowed mode and keep task manger open to watch your memory usage. If you don't have LAA patched to your Oblivion.exe, your Oblivion.exe process will crash at around 1.7gb - 1.8gb of memory usage, guaranteed

» Tue May 03, 2011 7:57 am

AE Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.3]

Do yourself a favor right now, get that back to the top of your load order where it belongs. You've probably succeeded in canceling out about 70% of the changes most of your mods tried to make.

» Tue May 03, 2011 6:10 am

It's probably large enough for LAA to be effective. You can try running Oblivion in windowed mode and keep task manger open to watch your memory usage. If you don't have LAA patched to your Oblivion.exe, your Oblivion.exe process will crash at around 1.7gb - 1.8gb of memory usage, guaranteed

I've tabbed out and seen it around 1.5 maybe, but I suppose I would have never seen it hit 1.7-1.8 since it would have crashed heh. I went from frequent crashes to very rare crashes after patching my exe (and installing OSR, as I mentioned), so yeah anyone with a load order similar in size to mine experiencing crashes should really try this. But also if anyone is like I was and consistently had 1100mb+ of textures trying to load on a 1gb card, consider getting rid of some of the hi-res textures, heh.

Do yourself a favor right now, get that back to the top of your load order where it belongs. You've probably succeeded in canceling out about 70% of the changes most of your mods tried to make.

Hahaha, that's great, because it had been at the top of my load order up until a couple days ago when I installed the supplementals and thought "wait, what if this being at the top of the load order means sloppy mods are cancelling out its fixes? I better put it near the bottom!" Then after putting it at the bottom I spent an hour trying to fix a script effect sound from a mod repeating ad infinitum. Haha, what a waste. Thanks for the tip though, it's good to know I had it in the right place initially. I know I should probably let BOSS work its magic, but if you look at the load order you can see I have stuff grouped generally based on what type of thing they do, and I've never really run into problems, so I stick with it.

» Mon May 02, 2011 11:16 pm

I know I should probably let BOSS work its magic

Yes. :wink_smile:

Regards,

Hem

» Mon May 02, 2011 9:10 pm

Umm, wow. Why the hostility? You do realize, of course that it is only my CURRENT load order. I have been modding OB, literally, since it came out. I don't need to justify my comments. Let's just leave at that I know what I am talking about. :wink_smile:

That is not hostility. ????

Just pointing out that with a load order like that then there would be little need for much of any optimizing.

I'm not the one telling people not to optimize or try new things.

I recall it was far327 who really was part of generating a lot of dialogue about memory management alternatives with Oblivion.

You make a good point that it is best to get the most stable game prior to optimizations, but nothing wrong with learned discussions of tools than can improve things further.

» Tue May 03, 2011 1:24 am

Hahaha, that's great, because it had been at the top of my load order up until a couple days ago when I installed the supplementals and thought "wait, what if this being at the top of the load order means sloppy mods are cancelling out its fixes? I better put it near the bottom!" Then after putting it at the bottom I spent an hour trying to fix a script effect sound from a mod repeating ad infinitum. Haha, what a waste. Thanks for the tip though, it's good to know I had it in the right place initially. I know I should probably let BOSS work its magic, but if you look at the load order you can see I have stuff grouped generally based on what type of thing they do, and I've never really run into problems, so I stick with it.

Some mods will cancel out the fixes, but they're supposed to. Think of the UOP as an extension of Oblivion.esm. Basically what Oblivion.esm should have been. You don't want the game's master file to override all your mods, do you?

The only real problem with this comes when a fix needs to remain active and a mod has canceled it out. Bash had made this less of a problem with tags, but it can't be eliminated entirely. Sometimes a mod really does need to carry the same edited data. In cases like this it would be best to politely ask the author to include the data in their next update.

As far as BOSS, despite being a regular contributor to the list, I don't use it myself. I hand order everything based on what it is. Dungeons go with other dungeons. Villages with other villages. City mods in their own group, etc. It works out great. In cases where the order needs to make an exception, I just move it. But then, BOSS isn't for people like us, is it?

» Tue May 03, 2011 5:13 am

As far as BOSS, despite being a regular contributor to the list, I don't use it myself. I hand order everything based on what it is. Dungeons go with other dungeons. Villages with other villages. City mods in their own group, etc. It works out great. In cases where the order needs to make an exception, I just move it. But then, BOSS isn't for people like us, is it?

That is how I was until the userlist - now I accept BOSS as much as I can alter it.