Oblivion vs Nirn

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:11 pm

Did Mehrunes Dagon only invade the continent of Tamriel, or did he invade the other continents of Nirn (Akavir, Yokuda) etc. too? Everywhere I've looked for info on it he appearently only invaded Tamriel. Did he invade the others? If yes then ok... but if no, then why not?
User avatar
CxvIII
 
Posts: 3329
Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:35 pm

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:51 pm

We don't know, there isn't much information on what is going on in Akavir at the moment. Or any of the other continents for that matter.
User avatar
SaVino GοΜ
 
Posts: 3360
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:00 pm

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:46 pm

Probably just Tamriel, seeing as that is kinda the most important part: the Convention took place there, it's where the remaining Towers are (that we know of), yada yada.
User avatar
Elena Alina
 
Posts: 3415
Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:24 am

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:00 pm

Maybe cus Tamreil is just that awesome! :gun:

Nah, just kidding. I have looked around, and haven't found any information that shows that he favored tamriel, or that he didn't. But when you think back, Nirn is made up of 12 other planets that crashed together, and one of those planet remnants (2 technically, Black marsh) survived to make Tamriel. In game, Mankar tells the character that Tamriel is Merhunes birthright or something of that sort, so maybe the planet Tamriel came from was a daedric realm at one point or another. Possible, right?
User avatar
Russell Davies
 
Posts: 3429
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:01 am

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:59 am

...metaphorically speaking.

[edit]
sort of. im not really sure if what you said was right or wrong, it certainly could be right i think if youre reading it the way i do, but im not sure you meant it that way. the whole tamriel as a daedric realm is based on the fact that lorkhan, whose realm is tamriel, could be considered a daedra.

man, my brain is not working at all lately. so if i just said something really stupid i absolve myself of responsibility :foodndrink:
User avatar
Isaiah Burdeau
 
Posts: 3431
Joined: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:58 am

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:51 pm

didnt yokuda sink?
User avatar
Dustin Brown
 
Posts: 3307
Joined: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:55 am

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:31 pm

Maybe cus Tamreil is just that awesome! :gun:

Nah, just kidding. I have looked around, and haven't found any information that shows that he favored tamriel, or that he didn't. But when you think back, Nirn is made up of 12 other planets that crashed together, and one of those planet remnants (2 technically, Black marsh) survived to make Tamriel. In game, Mankar tells the character that Tamriel is Merhunes birthright or something of that sort, so maybe the planet Tamriel came from was a daedric realm at one point or another. Possible, right?



Your are half correct. Mankhar said that Tamriel was a fllen plane of Oblivion (is this true or not I don't know havent looked at the lore behind it in a while) And that it was the battle ground for the deadra to take it over. With the birthright part, well you gotta think, every arch villian trying to take somethign over will say its his birthright. :|
On topic, there is no indication that merhunes attacked Nirn, He could have, but we don;t know. Right now it seems Tamriel is just the important provicne since it has the last of the Towers. well that we know of.
User avatar
City Swagga
 
Posts: 3498
Joined: Sat May 12, 2007 1:04 am

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:34 pm

didnt yokuda sink?


Yeah, sorry about that. I just wrote down the continents I could remember.
User avatar
Joe Alvarado
 
Posts: 3467
Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:13 pm

Post » Sun May 29, 2011 1:25 am

The player would have no way of knowing. From the lore I've read, and from general knowledge, there isn't much communication going on between the continents. Besides, I think the Mythic Dawn had enough trouble invading Cyrodiil, let alone Morrowind and possibly other provinces.
User avatar
Stephy Beck
 
Posts: 3492
Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:33 pm

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:23 pm

Mankar Camoran says (as noted above) that Tamriel is a plane of Oblivion and Lorkhan is its Daedric Prince. Dagon probably didn't bother with Akavir because reclaiming Tamriel was his top priority. It might've been in his future plans, though.
User avatar
Manuel rivera
 
Posts: 3395
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:12 pm

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:20 pm

Well doesn't that just reopen discussion as to whether or not Lorhkan is a daedra? The last time I checked, he was neither Aedra or Daedra. He was his own special case. Because of that, I take much of what Mankar Camoran says as a grain of sand.

-Hexon
User avatar
Jamie Lee
 
Posts: 3415
Joined: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:15 am

Post » Sun May 29, 2011 12:14 am

Well doesn't that just reopen discussion as to whether or not Lorhkan is a daedra? The last time I checked, he was neither Aedra or Daedra. He was his own special case. Because of that, I take much of what Mankar Camoran says as a grain of sand.

-Hexon


A lot of people don't believe what Camoran claims. It is highly debatable, but that isn't the topic of the discussion.
User avatar
Big Homie
 
Posts: 3479
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:31 pm

Post » Sun May 29, 2011 12:12 am

A lot of people don't believe what Camoran claims. It is highly debatable, but that isn't the topic of the discussion.


Maybe so, but sometimes to get at what's going on with ES it is useful to talk around various topics

Manky was a pawn of Dagon - read The Refugees in TIL - and he was not only not Ayelied - his mother was a Bosmer and considered him to be a monster and she saw his father Haymon Camoran (who by repute was part Breton) likewise ... as did the rest of Tamriel.

Both Father and Son tried to conquer areas Tamriel using Daedra - the father raised a gigantic undead army too. both committed atrocities at Kvatch. I hope you will forgive me for seeing their allegience as a sign of twisted mentalities - given that Dagon and his servants look on all mortals as prey to be hunted for their personal amusemant.

I must admit that I do not remember hearing of any towers in other parts of Nirn - but there is relavent Lore in the Imperial Library about the Leaping Demon King who can leap no more. Apparently he and 'The Greedy Man' teamed up to add to Nirn so that Alduin the World-eater would burst from overeating and thus Nirn would be freed from the repetative cycles that seem to be its lot.

The story goes that Alduin discovered this and cursed The Leaping Demon King, who thenceforth became known as Dagon the Deadric Prince of Destruction, to leap no more until he had returned all the bits that he had added to wherever they came from. So if this is both Lore and fact then it might be that Tamriel (or part of it) is one of those added bits that keep Dagon imprisoned ... and dagon is undoing it one bit at a time ;)
User avatar
darnell waddington
 
Posts: 3448
Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:43 pm

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:15 pm

I think he was going for Tamriel first because, using Mankar's speech, it was Lorkhan's plane. However, Tamriel was the only part that makes sense for him to really want because there's no evidence of other parts of Nirn being the remnants of a Daedric plane. However, since it would be kind of odd for him to rule only one continent, I'm sure he would've gone for the others afterwards. Tamriel was just his top priority. But that's if you believe was Camoran says.
User avatar
GLOW...
 
Posts: 3472
Joined: Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:40 am

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:45 pm

He'd be less likely to rule the continent, than to pry it off the face of Nirn completely and take it with him.
User avatar
Miss K
 
Posts: 3458
Joined: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:33 pm

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:01 pm

Guys... Tamriel refers to the entire world in that context, not just the continent. Akavir is part of Dawn's Beauty too.
User avatar
Nina Mccormick
 
Posts: 3507
Joined: Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:38 pm

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:25 pm

Guys... Tamriel refers to the entire world in that context, not just the continent. Akavir is part of Dawn's Beauty too.


I hate thinking about Dagon being on other continents anyway. Semi-irrelevant.
User avatar
ijohnnny
 
Posts: 3412
Joined: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:15 am

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:57 pm

I think he was going for Tamriel first because, using Mankar's speech, it was Lorkhan's plane. However, Tamriel was the only part that makes sense for him to really want because there's no evidence of other parts of Nirn being the remnants of a Daedric plane. However, since it would be kind of odd for him to rule only one continent, I'm sure he would've gone for the others afterwards. Tamriel was just his top priority. But that's if you believe was Camoran says.


So who's the Daedric Prince of Akavir?
User avatar
Sammygirl500
 
Posts: 3511
Joined: Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:46 pm

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:23 pm

Who's the Daedric Prince of thread necromancy is the more relevant question.
User avatar
Roisan Sweeney
 
Posts: 3462
Joined: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:28 pm

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:36 pm

Well doesn't that just reopen discussion as to whether or not Lorhkan is a daedra? The last time I checked, he was neither Aedra or Daedra. He was his own special case. Because of that, I take much of what Mankar Camoran says as a grain of sand.

-Hexon


Maybe if Cameron had any facts in his statements but they are all incorrect. (Or at least almost everything in that statement was fake. He couldn't even match the Daedric realms to the Daedric Prince)
User avatar
Chavala
 
Posts: 3355
Joined: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:28 am

Post » Sun May 29, 2011 2:51 am

Nah, just kidding. I have looked around, and haven't found any information that shows that he favored tamriel, or that he didn't. But when you think back, Nirn is made up of 12 other planets that crashed together, and one of those planet remnants (2 technically, Black marsh) survived to make Tamriel. In game, Mankar tells the character that Tamriel is Merhunes birthright or something of that sort, so maybe the planet Tamriel came from was a daedric realm at one point or another. Possible, right?


Or it could also be that the person who wrote the dialog there just made a mistake, and said "Tamriel" in what was meant to be "Nirn", this is my theory on that part.

As to other continents, that's impossible to be sure of as there is not mych news as to the current happenings beyond Tamriel, we can only speculate at this time.
User avatar
Robert Jackson
 
Posts: 3385
Joined: Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:39 am

Post » Sun May 29, 2011 3:21 am

For some reason Mankar is always rejected on the minor mistakes rather then larger vision. Either allot of people are lazy or can't actually find a proper argument against it.
User avatar
Bellismydesi
 
Posts: 3360
Joined: Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:25 am

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:29 pm

Maybe if Cameron had any facts in his statements but they are all incorrect. (Or at least almost everything in that statement was fake. He couldn't even match the Daedric realms to the Daedric Prince)


Don't blame that on Mankar: a writer screwed up, from what I heard.

A lot of his ideas make sense though. At least the ones I remember reading. The Aldudagga does a good job of making the idea that Dagon and Lorkhan were friends look plausible. And I like that a lot. And because of the Aldudagga, it makes you think about the other crap he said.
User avatar
Ben sutton
 
Posts: 3427
Joined: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:01 am

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:21 pm

Don't blame that on Mankar: a writer screwed up, from what I heard.

Yep, they evidently accidently used the first draft of the speech, without fact-checking it should've had. A poor move on Bethesda's part, but it doesn't invalidate the gist of what Mankar was trying to get across.
User avatar
james tait
 
Posts: 3385
Joined: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:26 pm

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:17 pm

well as we all know mankar cameron is EVIL! So in that case he must be wrong i think hes just beliving what he wants to beleve so he thinks its true when he really doesnt know
User avatar
Symone Velez
 
Posts: 3434
Joined: Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:39 am

Next

Return to The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion