I was thinking about the oblivion crisis and i wondered about a couple things

1. Why does Mankar Camoran associate Coldharbour with Meridia?
2. How many other Great Gates were opened?
3.Why was Dagon so underpowered and unable to kill all his enemies in one fell swoop?

thanks!

1. The speech Mankar Camoran orates in his paradise was a rough draft, and the (real world) author didn't remember which Realms went with which Daedra. The author planned to rewrite it, but the speech was inserted into the game too soon.
2. I don't think we know for sure. But there's Kvatch, Bruma, and (I think) Ald Ruhn. Probably others in the other provinces.
3. Underpowered? How powerful did you expect Dagon to be? Dagon wasn't the only divine being present, you know.

He's a Daedric lord! im referring to the fact that he wasnt even able to kill most of the guards fighting him with one swipe from his axe or a stomp of his foot.

MD wasn't completely there. Sure, his avatar was mighty impressive, but the real MD is his realm. If you wanted to see the real MD in OB attack Nirn, we'd see a giant planet come and wreck everything.

Also, game mechanics. Laziness prevails! Plus, the CoC has to get to the Temple of the One, without being killed from being stepped on so easily.

Again, Dagon was not the only divine power present.

What I want to know is: Why didn't Dagon open the gates inside of Kvatch and Bruma? I mean...would have been much easier, donch'a think? Especially with Bruma. He couldn't have opened it any further away. At the speed that siege weapon was moving, It would have been one real time hour at the very least by the time that thing reached the gates of Bruma.

Akatosh didn't materialize until they reach the temple, therefore there was no other divine presence in their intial conflict with getting past Dagon.

A divine can be present without materializing itself. Dagon couldn't have killed anyone without Arkay being involved, for instance.

The problem is you're thinking monotheistically - as if there's just one power that matters. When there are multiple divinities they naturally limit each other.

Dagon didn't open the gates, Mythic Dawn members did. I presume they opened them as close as they safely could - too close and they'd be found out before they could finish.

He couldn't find time to attack Tamriel unless Akatosh gave it to him. Why does Akatosh want daedra lords to attack Tamriel?

They can't have literature without Julianos, why does he let the Mythic Dawn Commentaries exist? Does he hate Tamriel?

Lol, i thought that the Daedra were not bound by the divines?

I can't see a reason why the daedra would be bound by the divines in that sense. Dumbkid is overreaching.

Would there be Daedric protonymics without Julianos?

They are not good guys, but they are not bad guys. They are gods.

Dagon decides he wants the world to end, but Akatosh dosn't agree. http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/aldudagga.shtml.

He was big enough to level a city, given enough time. Like he did with Old Mournhold. And it took two of the Tribunal, at the apex of their power (given Dagoth Ur had not yet prevented them from renewing their connection to the heart), to defeat him. The guy actually smashed the roof off the Temple of the One, that's pretty impressive.


I'd disagree with some of that, but that's another debate for another time in another thread.

I said Dagon couldn't kill anyone unless Arkay was involved. I didn't say Arkay had to be a willing accomplice.

The powers of the divines are interconnected, and there is never just one acting without any influence or limitation by the others.