Ah, thanks.

ok. this is weird: i had a massive increase in save time (as mentioned in my last post). i installed XP again an save time was nice. with the old same save game and all mods enabled. this was what i almost expected so far. but now this issue is also gone in win7!
i tried a fresh install of oblivion before, used a default ini... everything i had to do now with XP again. also the win7 installation was a fresh one. in XP i deleted the new oblivion folder and renamed the oblivion folder from win7 to the one from XP, so it's exactly the same data. the only thing changed was the ini file. i use the ini the game built from xp now and it's working fine in win7 (with all my settings copied over!). but the default ini built from win7 doesn't. is this weird??

Thanks again, TheNiceOne! My testers reported that's exactly what kept it from working. I owe you one.

May I then suggest fixing that part of the OBSE manual about user-functions?

This is what first mislead me into believing it would work "without" the call when inside an OBSE expression.

Doc fix for the next release:
Just noticed the OBSE doc still mentions the operator '=>' in the Let statement description. Left over, I guess:

Yes, hadn't done enough decoding on summons when GetNth/NumFollowers were coded and didn't want to change its behavior in later releases.
For the time being you ought to be able to get the full list of followers including summons using getFollowers, then use getNthFollower to identify the non-summons, leaving you with a list of summons.

Result scripts are compiled in the CS, console scripts are compiled at run-time. I didn't test extensively with using stuff like Let, arrays, functions, and so on in result scripts so doing so is not officially supported; I don't expect there would be problems but I'd want to look at the code responsible for compiling them to be certain.

If you are certain nothing else changed other than your OS and your .ini, then it would be interesting to know the difference between the two .inis.
Are there any general issues with Oblivion on Windows 7? I haven't upgraded yet and haven't looked at the HW/SW forum.

I'm at Albright in Reading, PA, but I have friends at Lehigh.

Doc fixes noted, thanks QQuix and Drake.

Two wishes for the next version: GetBowDrawn and skill degradation over time. (I know someone previously requested the second one.)

Thanks!

I am running the German version on Vista x64 and the English version on Win 7 x64 (dual boot) for about 3 month in non default directories (\games) and don't see much of a difference between the two.
Configuration and MOD's are pretty similar except that I have the German version of the MODs that are available in that language otherwise I installed the originals with some sound directory tweaking.

Crash

no further issues in win7. but the ati drivers are crap, at least the CCC. i had to roll back to the MS drivers.

i made a few more tests and now the issue is back, but this time a default ini doesn't help. to prevent confusion here are my exact steps:

1. re-installed oblivion in win7, used the default ini, started a new game >> mods with arrays caused long save time.
2. installed a clean XP, installed oblivion and deleted the folder, renamed the old oblivion folder from win7 to match XP, enabled all mods, used a default ini but copied my settings over >> save time ~2 secs.
3. save time was fine in win7 now too! until i changed a video setting in the options menu.

I've been re-thinking a request I made a while ago which disables the string echo-ing when using sv_Construct/sv_Set/others in combination with RunScriptLine and I thought of a different approach. Dunno if it's viable or even possible though, how about adding a function which can toggle a flag/variable on and off. And that flag/variable would determine if a string-function will echo in the console or not. Would that work? :unsure:

Even though this thread is for v18, I'm using obse_0017b and it is causing my CTD when starting a new game, I get to the point when the game loads a new game, finishes and CTD before the new game bik movie loads.

I'm going to overwrite obse_0017b with v18 and see if it causes the same thing.

:edit:
Sure enough OBSE is causing my CTD issue. I overwrite 17b with 18 and got the same thing, and then I deleted all of OBSE and reinstalled just the 18b4 version and still get the same thing.

Oblivion runs if you start it with the normal launcher (oblivionlauncher.exe)? This bypasses the OBSE loading.

Does it run if you use the OBSELauncher.exe, but only use Oblivion.esm and no other mods?

I use OBMM to run Oblivion (it makes things easier)... I tried running OblivionLauncher.exe and Oblivion.exe, I get CTD on new game. I tried obse_loader.exe and get new game load crash...

I then removed OBSE and started with just Oblivion.esm loaded and still am getting new game CTD...

And this is with a complete Oblivion un-reinstall for the 7th time in 2 days...

That doesn't sound like an OBSE problem.

It sounds like a missing master or a missing font issue.

Have you tried renaming your "My Documents/My Games/Oblivion/Oblivion.ini" file to "Oblivion.bak" and then running the original OblivionLauncher.exe program so that it will redetect your hardware and make a new ini file for you?

edit: Bad question to ask, I know, but have you been able to run the game at all with just Oblivion and the official patch installed?

then not related to obse, if obse is removed, and you still crash on startup, then it something else mod related..missing master, bsa not named correctly, ui not installed correctly, load order related, patch 1.2.0416 not installed correctly, time to start disabling any new added mods and work backwards until you find out what is causing the problem..

Showler beat me to it..

What I'm suspecting is OBSE and UOP is not compatible, I don't know why or how, but with the UOP's and OBSE loaded at the same time, the game CTD for me. Uninstalling the UOP's and running OBES loads and I'm able to start a new game, but with the 2 combined it CTD on new game.

:edit:

Reworded above.

that makes no sense at all

Something weird about your version of the UOP then.

Do you have all the resources that go with it? It should be a download of about 150MB, I think.

edit: 128MB or thereabouts: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5296

Make sure you don't have just a hotfix or upgrade version.

Here is what I got saved to anoter hard drive (I download then save files for back up's).

Oblivion_v1.1.511_FinalEnglish
ShiveringIsles_v1.2.0416_English
Unofficial Shivering_Isles_v1_4_0
Unofficial_Oblivion_Patch_v3_2_0
Unofficial_Oblivion_Patch_3_2_3a
Unofficial_Official_Mods_Patch_v15

I follow this UOP install instructions in order:

Install this way if you have Shivering Isles:1.Install Oblivion 1.02.Install Official 1.1.511 Patch (only if you want the launcher to be fully functional)3.Install Shivering Isles (which brings Oblivion to 1.2.201)4.Install Official 1.2.0416 Shivering Isles Patch5.Install Official Add-ons6.Install the Unofficial Oblivion Patch v3.2.0 (user-made mod)7.Install the Unofficial Oblivion Patch v3.2.3a (user-made mod)7.Install the Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch v1.4.0 (user-made mod)8.Install the Unofficial Official Mods Patch v1.5 (user-made mod)9.Install the Official Construction Set 1.2.404

Game loads a new game just fine as is with just the UOP's, but if I load OBSE with the UOP's, then I get the new game CTD. Removed the UOP's and the game loads a new game just fine with OBSE. Something is nutz about this, I guess I'll play the game without the UOP's.

Thanx for the help and read guys.

Another doc fix:
This example and statement under User-Defined Functions:


I understand that "let local1 := someQuest.someStringVar" will create a copy of the quest string and this copy must be destroyed at the end of the function.

Or, maybe, the example should read "set local1 to someQuest.someStringVar", in which case the statement would be true.

Is there any functions that allow you change the cell fog RBG values? If not, is there any chance it could be added for v0019?

None at the moment.

I know this is not the best time for a new request, but here it comes anyway:

I want a function that combines GetActiveUIComponentFullName and GetMenuStringValue in one, i.e. something like:

(value:string_var) GetActiveUIComponentStringValue trait:formatString

Where the trait parameter only contains the name of the trait (ex: "user5") and not the full patch.

The reason for this, is that I try to read out values (the item's healt) from the repair menu. This functions fine by calling:

	let s1 := GetActiveUIComponentFullName	let s1 := GetMenuStringValue "%z\user5",s1 1035

...that is - it functions as long as the highlighted item is the only item of its type in the list. If there are more of them, they have the exact same full name, and the GetMenuStringValue therefore returns the first it find, and not necessarily the one that is highligted - which I need.

But if I could read directly out a value belonging to the active UI component, that would solve the problem.

Ha, I already requested that (twice I think). Although I don't remember an actual yes or no anwser...

Hey guys I love you so much! I'm just discovering oblivion scripting and OBSE and it's plain amazing! ... loops, arrays, strings, user-defined functions ... and so many things that I'm probably missing.

User-functions can even call other user-functions! And they work perfectly! I've used up to 3 calls in a row (script calls function1, function1 calls function2, function2 calls function3) and it's working as expected. Is there a maximum of functions that could be "nested" this way, or would it freeze the frame until all code is run?

I wonder how scripters did to bypass the maximum on script lenght and nested blocks allowed by the CS before OBSE v0018 was out... well, I just can't imagine right now scripting without OBSE.

I have a minor request for the maths department, though, I'd really like to have min and max functions. Actualy it has an easy workaround, just an if check and it's done, but when one is using them several times in an expression that could save a few lines. Btw I understand it's nothing prioritary and there are more important things to attend, it's just to let you know sometimes I missed them.

I haven't had time to get into strings yet, could someone tell me if: 1) is it possible to use them in dialogues; and 2) can they be compiled and run as code? Thx!

I'm using v0018 beta 4 and there's no error I can report by now. I realised a few days ago that b5 was out, but I'm not sure I should update because I don't know how these things work. I'm currently working in a mod using obse 18b4, so if I update to b5 and find some issue, could I downgrade to b4 and still working on it? Another doubt I have, regarding what is said in the first post about changes in the bytecode that makes that mods made with b2 or higher will require for the user obse b2 or higher. Does it means that if I pack the mod with b4 installed users will need b4 or will only need b2??


Anyway, a big THANKS to you for your incredible work! Keep it up, guys!

I fully agree. Enhanced Economy and Map Marker Overhaul would be impossible without those things


From the OBSE documentation: "OBSE allows a maximum of 30 nested function calls." So with your 3 nested calls you have a long way to go Btw, I beat you by 2, as Enhanced Economy have 5 levels (+ the calling script).

No problem. Just replace the one dll that is the difference between the two. I have done that a few times.

I'm pretty sure they will then need b4 or b5. That's why my mods are requiring 18b4 or newer.