[BETA] Oblivion Script Extender (OBSE) v0020 : IV - Oblivion

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:35 am

A couple of requests to celebrate the new year (Happy New year to all :foodndrink: ):

These should be straightforward.

Not sure if this is a wish list forum, but I'm going to ask anyways and see what everyone thinks:

This is the right place. Added to the list of things to investigate.

Could something be implemented to allow you to let a certain block be run on an external target? I need to let a Begin OnTrigger block run on many/all horses. This type of block doesn't work when it is in a Magic Ability script, it needs to be attached directly to the object through an Object script. I did this for all vanilla horses, but it means that for every mod that adds a horse to the game, a compatibility patch needs to be created.

Either an Event Handler for OnTrigger would be nice, or an expansion of ref.Call that allows you to run an Object script with vanilla begin/end blocks on the reference in that frame. With the latter solution, I could just Call for that script every frame in a Magic Ability script.

I'll see what can be done for this.

There's not much documentation for OBSE's slice notation, and I haven't used it much. I assume it's supposed to imitate Python's implementation, in which case this is inconsistent:
aString[-x] yields null.
aString[-x:-x] works fine.

Thanks, fixed.

If you are still taking requests, I would love SetIsPlayersLastRiddenHorse and/or SetPlayersLastRiddenHorse and/or SetPlayerHasLastRiddenHorse, so I could change (or nullify) the active horse without the player having to actually mount another horse.

I'll look into it.

Pinpointed the IsKeyPressed2 issue a little further:

The first text does not print. The second does.
And, after this, any other "IsKeyPressed2 0" returns true on that frame, including from a different mod.
Crazy!!

if  IsKeyPressed2 0    Print "IsKeyPressed2  TRIGGERED  - Before " endifdisablecontrol 	6 	;	Block 6if  IsKeyPressed2 0    Print "IsKeyPressed2  TRIGGERED  - After " Endif

Does not happen in v19b

That's weird. Investigating.

Does GetNthAEData return an actor value when appropriate? It's specified to return a ref, but I can't find anything else that would.

Alternately/additionally, were the various GetTotalAE's updated with built-in IsNthAEApplied?

Edit: Docs indicate GetNthAEMagicItemIndex as a shortening of GetNthActiveEffectMagicItemIndex, but it doesn't compile.

GetNthAEData appears to have been added before the active effects were fully decoded.
For a script effect, returns the script. For a bound weapon/armor, returns the base weapon/armor. For a summon, returns the base summoned creature.
The GetTotalAE cmds were updated with a final boolean arg. Pass 1 to ignore unapplied effects; omit or pass zero to include them. The arg never made it into the docs - sorry.
Yeah, the alias for GetNthActiveEffectMagicItemIndex is GetNthAEIndex.

Question about the compiling override and plugin functions. What happens when a non-supported plugin function is used in an override block and an expression is used as an argument? A simple error I presume (in the sense that the modder is informed)?

Same thing that would happen if you tried to do it in a normal script block - most likely an error about "couldn't parse this line".

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:48 pm

This isn't exactly a helpful post, but I just wanted to say thankyou for making the OBSE. I've been making my new mod using OBSE since I started and I haven't run into any of the problems I used to. Anything I need to be able to do I'm able to do somehow, usually due to something you have added. Keep up the good work.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:29 am

A question about handlers: from my testing so far, only one reference can be using a handler script at any given time, right? So I guess ref walking to set an OnHit handler for every ref like if the handler script were a token doesn't really work?
Or would simply using 'SetEventHandler "OnHit" functionscript', with no arguments for target or attacker, catch all the hits in the game? EDIT2: YESSS :twirl:

Edit: oh, and happy new year everyone. Lets hope that this year's OBSE versions and wonderful modders will bring about a new era in Oblivion modding... or something like that...

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:06 pm

ThisScript . . . or GetThisScript or GetThisScriptRefID or
Returns the refID of the current script
(script:ref) ThisScript

A kind of GetSelf for the current script.

Main purpose is for debugging log: identifying the script that generated each console line ("print (GetFormIDString ThisScript) + "").

But it would be also useful for passing as an argument to some fancy call-back function structure ("call SomeFunction SomeArg ThisScript")

- - - - -

GetCallingScript . . . or GetCallingScriptRefID or
Returns the refID of the calling script (to be used in User Functions)
(script:ref) GetCallingScript

As a side request, perhaps a %? (not that directly) that would list the calling script name and offset, for logging functionality. Perhaps [Scriptname:Offset] ...

Again, not a high priority, just extras that could be useful, especially if it's globally available, since you could track the script/offset in messagebox's, etc.

GuruSR.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:29 am

GetNthAEData appears to have been added before the active effects were fully decoded.
For a script effect, returns the script. For a bound weapon/armor, returns the base weapon/armor. For a summon, returns the base summoned creature.

Right then... request GetNthAEAV, if you'd be so kind.

I can work around its absence if it would delay a release.

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:26 pm

I'm getting a very strange error when using compiler overrides on this script.

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Scn aaZZZZZZZTesterref			actorref			selfRefshort			baseDataIndex	Begin _OnUnEquip	call aaUUFUnEquipItem actor Initialize.baseData[baseDataIndex]["tokenItem"], 2, ""EndBegin OnDrop	if (actor.getItemCount selfRef == 0)		call aaUUFRemoveItem actor, Initialize.baseData[baseDataIndex]["tokenItem"], 2, ""	endifEnd

When I try to compile the script i get this warning:

Script 'aaZZZZZZZTester', line 12:Mismatched brackets.

If I remove the compiler overrides on the OnUnEquip block the script compiles fine.

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:44 pm

Two requests:

An OnMapMarkerAdd event - personally I don't need the distinction between a normal discovery and a scripted discovery but I suppose it might be useful to some.

A SetTextInputTextPath - used to change the path/element that the TextInputJournal (or TextInputMessageBox) updates with the input text. I'm mostly thinking of being able to sort of make sub-textinput boxes within a menu (like being able to type a smaller string in another place of the book menu).

EDIT:
And a question about the new kParamType_Array for plugin functions. How should I extract it, just as before?

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:30 pm

@the OBSE team:

Is it okay with you guys if we (the MERP team) host an extracted copy of OBSE on our own server? We created a launcher for MERP with an auto-updating feature, and we'd love to make sure people always have the right OBSE version installed by using this updating feature. The link to this download wouldn't be published on forums or the like, it's merely for the launcher to connect to if people want to make use of it. The user will be informed of what will be updated, and naturally full credit will be given to the authors.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:24 am

If two of my mods both include a quest of a given name, e.g. aaaDBUtilityQuest, what will be the effect of:

RunSctiptLine "set aaaDBUtilityQuest.SomeVar to 1"

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:26 pm

I'm getting a very strange error when using compiler overrides on this script.

Thanks, fixing.

And a question about the new kParamType_Array for plugin functions. How should I extract it, just as before?

From PluginAPI.h:

*	UPDATED v0020*	-Plugin commands can now accept arrays as arguments provided the script calling the *	 command is compiled with OBSE's compiler override enabled. Array params should be defined*	 as kParamType_Array. The argument can be extracted at run-time to an Array*, e.g.:*		OBSEArrayVarInterface::Array* arr;*		ExtractArgs(PASS_EXTRACT_ARGS, &arr);

Is it okay with you guys if we (the MERP team) host an extracted copy of OBSE on our own server?

You should probably get in touch with Ian about this.

If two of my mods both include a quest of a given name, e.g. aaaDBUtilityQuest, what will be the effect of:

RunSctiptLine "set aaaDBUtilityQuest.SomeVar to 1"

The same thing that would happen if you typed it into the console. The game would use whatever quest it finds first with that name.

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:45 pm

From PluginAPI.h:

*	UPDATED v0020*	-Plugin commands can now accept arrays as arguments provided the script calling the *	 command is compiled with OBSE's compiler override enabled. Array params should be defined*	 as kParamType_Array. The argument can be extracted at run-time to an Array*, e.g.:*		OBSEArrayVarInterface::Array* arr;*		ExtractArgs(PASS_EXTRACT_ARGS, &arr);

Ok, please bear with me, so if I use an array param for a function it must be called from within an override block?

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:33 am

Ok, please bear with me, so if I use an array param for a function it must be called from within an override block?

Yes; if used in a normal block the CS will (correctly) give an error about an unrecognized param type.
If you prefer to accept arrays by integer ID instead as described in the PluginAPI for 0019 you still can.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:15 am

The same thing that would happen if you typed it into the console. The game would use whatever quest it finds first with that name.

Thanks.

Is it possible to call a subroutine defined in another mod?

» Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:06 pm

Is it possible to call a subroutine defined in another mod?

Like a User Function? Yes it's possible, first use GetFormFromMod to get the script as a ref and then use Call rRef .....

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:45 am

Thanks.

Is it possible to call a subroutine defined in another mod?

Thank you.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:01 am

OK, myself and Mythgaard have recently reported the following errors in the MMO thread, but due to discussion with Andalaybay of similar errors cropping up in Oblivion XP, we're reposting them here:

Mine (0019b):

Error in script 1f013526
An expression failed to evaluate to a valid result
File: Map Marker Overhaul.esp Offset: 0x0462 Command:
Error in script 7400ac85
Too few operands for operator :=
File: SupremeMagicka.esp Offset: 0x030D Command:
Error in script 7400ac85
An expression failed to evaluate to a valid result
File: SupremeMagicka.esp Offset: 0x030D Command:

Mythgaard (0020):

Error in script 33013526
An expression failed to evaluate to a valid result
File: Map Marker Overhaul.esp Offset: 0x046F Command:
Error in script b100ac85
Too few operands for operator :=
File: SupremeMagicka.esp Offset: 0x030D Command:
Error in script b100ac85
An expression failed to evaluate to a valid result
File: SupremeMagicka.esp Offset: 0x030D Command:

As you can see, both of these errors are exact duplicates of each other.

Savegames are available should you need them.

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» Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:13 pm

Posted this in the Map Marker Overhaul and Supreme Magicka threads, but it was suggested that they be posted here as well, so there it be. I'm currently running the OBSE 20 beta.

Spoiler

Error in script 33013526
An expression failed to evaluate to a valid result
File: Map Marker Overhaul.esp Offset: 0x046F Command:
Error in script b100ac85
Too few operands for operator :=
File: SupremeMagicka.esp Offset: 0x030D Command:
Error in script b100ac85
An expression failed to evaluate to a valid result
File: SupremeMagicka.esp Offset: 0x030D Command:

Additionally, and I have no idea what is causing this just tossing it in here since it may or may not be relevant; I am having some very strange issue with Messages not displaying. Most of the time, I dont get any messages for anything, harvesting, locations, etc., and the loading... message gets stuck on my screen a lot. I'm leaning towards I'm just running too many scripts in my game (Crowded Roads, FCOM, More Wilderness Life, Diverse Waterlife, etc.) but as I said it may be relevant.

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» Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:45 am

Ok, here are the errors that have been reported by Oblivion XP users. For these two, both are using OBSE 19b:

Error in script 1400909a
Attempting to call a function on a Null reference or base object
Error in script 1400909a
An expression failed to evaluate to a valid result
File:Oblivion XP.esp Offset:0x088a Command: Let

loading from C:\Users\Lorenzo\Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Saves\Save 20 - Bahamut - Porto, Level 3, Playing Time 00.57.37.obse
HandleLoadGame: exception during load
Error in script 8b0030fb
Invalid array access - expected string index, received numeric.
File: Oblivion XP.esp Offset: 0x0389 Command: Let
Error in script 8b0030fb
Operator [ failed to evaluate to a valid result

I've had more of these, but up to now I've been attributing them to installation issues. I usually tell the user to do a clean save and then re-install Oblivion XP and that seems to resolve the error. There have not been any recent changes to Oblivion XP and now that other mods are having similar issues, Thomas and I thought we should post here.

Edit: I saw Thomas' comment about Supreme Magicka - SM doesn't use arrays. I think it came out before they were added. I just did a quick search for array_var on SM and nothing came up. Also, I'm using SM, Map Marker Overhaul, Oblivion XP and several of TNO's mods and am not having a problem - yet, anyway

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:44 pm

Edit: I saw Thomas' comment about Supreme Magicka - SM doesn't use arrays. I think it came out before they were added. I just did a quick search for array_var on SM and nothing came up. Also, I'm using SM, Map Marker Overhaul, Oblivion XP and several of TNO's mods and am not having a problem - yet, anyway

Yeah, I've been playing around with the wording trying to figure out what might've went wrong, but I'm definitely no master of scripting. All I'm getting out of this right now is two MMO users have just received the exact same error (and reported it at the exact same time, no less, perhaps the planets have aligned and the Hellmouth has opened). If SM doesn't use arrays then I can't really see how MMO could cascade its effects into it, especially since the array thrashing problem (and the errors in TNO's scripts) was supposedly dealt with when 0019b hit.

Ah, well, I'm tired right now. Time for bed. :sleep2:

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:05 am

Do you have any plans to include the silent equip/unequip (equips/unequips an item but does not play the relevant sound) command I mentioned a thread or two ago? It would definetly get me back into modding.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:05 am

Ok, here are the errors that have been reported by Oblivion XP users. For these two, both are using OBSE 19b:I've had more of these, but up to now I've been attributing them to installation issues. I usually tell the user to do a clean save and then re-install Oblivion XP and that seems to resolve the error. There have not been any recent changes to Oblivion XP and now that other mods are having similar issues, Thomas and I thought we should post here.Edit: I saw Thomas' comment about Supreme Magicka - SM doesn't use arrays. I think it came out before they were added. I just did a quick search for array_var on SM and nothing came up. Also, I'm using SM, Map Marker Overhaul, Oblivion XP and several of TNO's mods and am not having a problem - yet, anyway

Yeah, I've been playing around with the wording trying to figure out what might've went wrong, but I'm definitely no master of scripting. All I'm getting out of this right now is two MMO users have just received the exact same error (and reported it at the exact same time, no less, perhaps the planets have aligned and the Hellmouth has opened). If SM doesn't use arrays then I can't really see how MMO could cascade its effects into it, especially since the array thrashing problem (and the errors in TNO's scripts) was supposedly dealt with when 0019b hit.Ah, well, I'm tired right now. Time for bed. :sleep2:

Ok, I've done a little more investigating. Strategy Master actually dropped in and admitted that Supreme Magicka isn't playing nice with OBSE 19+ because it uses a lot of tokens. It appears that it's in need of an update to use some of the newer functions. The one thing that Supreme Magicka has in common with Oblivion XP is that Oblivion XP does have one script that uses a scripted effect. When you poison a weapon, Oblivion XP clones that weapon and adds the poison as a scripted effect to the cloned weapon. This has been working for years, but lately, since OBSE 19, it seems to be quirky at times. As I said, I'm not having any problems and I think most users are fine, but every once in a while an error will pop up. That's the source of the first error I reported earlier (the one with the error in script 1400909a). I'm not quite sure what to do with that script. There may not be anything that can be done.

The second error is likely an installation issue and can probably be ignored. That user was having a lot of problems and I think he was a little over ambitious on his load list.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:15 am

Well, we aim for backwards compatibility. I'll get in touch with StrategyMaster to find out what he thinks may be going on here and see about resolving it on our end.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:00 am

In the meantime, I'll keep playing with the debug module you sent me and see if I can get some better info as to what went wrong.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:25 am

Yeah it's really odd I'm not seeing the same errors. I suspect that it depends on the spells you use. Similar situation to Oblivion XP. Players won't see any problems unless they use a lot of poisoned weapons. Even at that, most are ok. It really makes tracking these down hard.

Thomas, could you try to record what you are doing when you get the errors? This might actually be a problem that could crop up in multiple mods, so if we can narrow down the activities that cause the errors then we can look for common denominators amongst these scripts. That would help Scruggsy as well if it is a backwards compatibility issue with OBSE.

» Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:36 am

Well, the activities I performed during the play-session the scripts errored on were mostly horseback travel, but I also did battle with a hedge wizard (who was using a frost shield) and a couple of animals, and ended it by completing the Bravil Recommendation quest. (Thank you photographic memory)

I've already ruled out the quest completion causing the problem, so I'll need to try and re-create the travel scenario and do battle with a magic user, hopefully. Thankfully, my character will be traveling to Leyawiin soon, so I'll do my best to re-create the previous play session.