I guess I lucked out, because I randomly tinkered for 5 minutes, threw on an old-timey face hair and got a decent western style face for Pingas Kahn.

I guess Bethesda doesn't really understand how important a great character create system is to some players. To actually put time into a character you created, The thought the detail into something your proud of placed in a huge open world environment interacting with NPCs actually pulls you in even more. To say that's my character taking out the bad guys or that's my character taking down a giant mutant, I don't get pulled in the game with some settled character that i get when i'm 2 tired & sick of screwing with the stupid slider so i end up with something unwanted just 2 start the game, it doesn't pull me in, & i usually end up starring through them not at them. Bethesda should understand alot of players take pride in what characters they create just likeBethesda takes pride in what games they make, Bethesda you have the ability to create great looking NPCs So why screw us over

I agree with VampireWicked, I take tons of funny screenshots with my characters in odd situations (using the view button to get a good angle), and outside of fights I play third person, so how my character looks is very important to me, and helps me relate to the personality i'm role playing in that playthrough.

Ok what's the deal with the armor, i'm wearing armor & it reduces damage from gunfire but does nothing against attacks from wildlife, melee attacks work really well against armor I used a fire axe & went threw a guy wearing an armored legion suit like it was nothing, okay i don't get it.......I made it to vegas & if i find a plastic surgen i'll post the location

If you have the PC version, there were mods for Fallout 3 that changed all the presets to specific characters. I personally built mine earlier in this thread off of a preset of a Gary clone.
No doubt such mods would come to New Vegas, assuming you had the PC version like I said.

This is my current char, after converting my FO3 char to this game (matching the sliders), it still didn't look the same...so I did the best I could at the time. No doubt I will tinker with it more as time progresses to get a better result.
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/105980758-4.jpg
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/105980766-4.jpg

Oct-27-10 there was a patch released today for the u.s. maybe it'll help somewhat on the character creation as well as other glitches

Well i'm still playing & i haven't seen anything where i can meet a plastic surgen & recreate how i look, i'm level 17 & i'm still thinking of restarting So if anyone knows anyway in the game Fallout New Vegas to change your character's face after you gotten so far in the game please reply

I too am disapointed that they have not improved this.

I would like to see something along the lines of dragon age origins face creation

On a lighter note, my roommate just created LaFonda from napoleon dynamite. (without the press on nails-sorry to say)

Lol pretty cool, Oh are you having trouble with the rifles, like when i use VATS i can't put the rifle away sometimes or i try to pick up something & the rifle causes my character to slowly walk The cowboy repeater is the main rifle that causes it. How about the weathered pistol from the bonus download, I added a silencer to it & now every time i equip it & try to use it a big red & white transparent exclaimtion mark appears over my character, i've tried to remove the silencer but you can't remove anything you've used to mod the weapons

So far i found nothing on a plastic surgen like in Fallout3 after you've already gone through the startup costumization & the sad thing is the way Fallout New Vegas plays i'm losing interest in it

Slider systems make me want to kick a puppy. Yes, you have more control. But unless you have exhaustingly detailed knowledge of human facial structure you're just going to create 40 different kinds of physical deformity.

I made it to the Vegas strip i'm level 18 I have the anti-M50 i killed every last DeathClaw in the one mission I had the strip under my thumb & Yet i restarted day before yesterday. I couldn't take how my character's looks turned out, I hated that it looked like dirt on the sides of her face i hated that nearly every female NPC looked better had smoother looking skin had an even flesh tone, I restarted I just had 2 restart.....I went through each preset face & just like Fallout3 the caucasian females have this dent on each side of their face that i can't even out. I managed to finally figure out how 2 even out the skin tone but the dent makes the character look like she's starving, funny how the created characters suffer from all the imperfections from starting creation block

Yeah, i literally went down to the library (no, just friend of mine who does art) for a book about it so I can make half decent face.

I can actually make a pretty good female face with the Oblivion and the Fallout Character creation. Oblivion's is harder for obvious reasons, stupid sliders :swear: . With Fallout 3 and New Vegas its really easy to make a good face. My advice for New Vegas try to make it the best you can in Doc Mitchells office then leave the village before you get to the point where the game asks you if you want to make any final changes save before the last rock. Then if you don't like what you did to the face you can change it, obviously write down beforehand what your Specials, Skills, and Traits are so that you don't screw up in that department. The Cheek area and the Jawline to me are the key areas those have to look decent or its going to look weird.

Usually what I do for New Vegas is pick preset 1 for the female character then adjust it and make some changes like shrink the cheekbones a bit make them less pronounced, make the jawline smaller. I end up with a much hotter version of Preset 1 that usually works for me.

Yes i agree with the saving on the second time asked which i've done before & will do in the future problem is the lighting for the second time asked is darker then in his office, i had 2 reload that save four times....I found the best way to tell if the skin tone is even is looking at your character's face at 12noon & 8pm, look at your character's face away from the lighting & facing towards the lighting to see how the shadows will bring out the flaws it'll show the dark & light spots on ur face morning sunlight will be orange & will hide the flaws by evening out the skin tone. In the character editor i tried have the 3bottom slider options the same
mustash beard & whatever the other is
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then i worked on the tone at the top but keeping the 3 at the bottom set like that & it evens out the skin tone better

The Fallout character creation screen (from either recent game) really svcks. You simply cannot get a good idea what your character truly looks like until you finish and step outside in decent light. I blundered around and made a http://i56.tinypic.com/11me3ur.jpg and I've been using FaceGen Exchange to copy it over to my new characters. Oblivion's was far from perfect, but I could get a much better idea of what my character would look like once finished than with the Fallout system.

I've gotten pretty good with the sliders for the most part in creating my characters, but the lighting in the character creators is horrid. More than once I've created a character who looked good until he or she stepped outside and sunlight revealed the character to have obvious Umpa-Loompa ancestry or something.

Hopefully in the next ES we get an upgrade to the character creation, with the ability to put scars, tattoos etc. on our builds. The more customization the better I always say.

I usually skim through a few random faces and pick whatever suits me best, do a few adjustments and quit because when I get obsessed with the slider thingie, I'm sliding for hours. It's even worse than grooming myself in the bathroom.

you people just svck..

all 8 of my oblivion characters have looked badass.

I wont leave the sewer until I look good.

learn to character create

The thread was about how much better and easier it was to create in Oblivion. That's not the problem. One thing about the Fallout system - the characters are more stylized compared to Oblivion. If you work at it your can get an Oblivion face to look pretty lifelike (bad "vanilla" hair notwithstanding). Fallout characters will always look more animated.

Frankly the character creation system isn't all that different in the 3 games (TES-IV, Fo3, FNV), but I did like the "smoothness" of the Oblivion character system the best in the respect that I had a really Good idea what the options meant, the traits were described well, and there was no ambiguity for me. That said, I had no problems with any of the 3 systems in making the character that I wanted.

I used to have these problems but once you play with it enough you can produce any look you want with a quickness. It just takes a LOT of trial and error.

You know what my peeve is? NO LONG HAIRSTYLES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD...

Jumpin' Jesus on a Pogo Stick!

I know it's the fifties but don't try to feed me some bull on how no lady had a long hairstyle... that's preposterous. Even for oblivion... no bee hive hair do's just fantasy land and not ONE long hairstyle? Modders made a lot of great looking female hairstyles that were semi long. Why can't programmers/artists do that? OR

Another huge thing... some characters you simply cannot achieve how they look. I've been trying for four characters to get my female merc looking like Red Lucy but I can't do it... the eyes...OMG THE EYES look like friggin' Jeanie May Crawford's no matter what you do. But Cass and Red Lucy have perfect eyes... why fallout God, why!!!

They did it in Dragon Age too, I wanted my female elf to have long skinny pointed ears that just barely were able to be seen through the hair style I loved... MODDERS could do it.. but programmers and artists paid God knows what to design face presets and minimums/maximums for sliders? NOPE... rediculous. Or the Lighting. Although oblivion's first creation screen is pretty light neutral but the last time you get to update it you get blinded in the face.

it's gotten to the point where i just click next next next at the start and just take the default character every time i've gotten used to his face now anyway