I've seen a few topics, presumably by players who had primarily played only Oblivion saying that Skyrim doesn't live up to it in terms of x, y, or z. Is Oblivion becoming the golden standard for Skyrim players who never played Morrowind? Kind of like how Oblivion was compared unfavorably by many Morrowind players to Oblivion....and Morrowind to Daggerfall, etc, etc.

It's just trolling and whining combined. This has happened with every game in the series.

Never bought into the whole Morrowind > Oblivion > Skyrim Ideas.

Each game had improvements on the other and left behind content nobody wanted to see go. There are general things we can agree on but its a stretch to totally condemn one game over another. Especially since comparing Oblivion to lets say.... Gothic 4, and suddenly Oblivion is the poinnacle of ORPGs. No matter how much you dotn agree with the changes the TES series is much stronger then most other ORPG series on the market.

This, long gone are the days when a game forum is used to be a social place and act an intellectual (or somewhere close) tool to discuss game play. People these days just love to whine and people wonder why devs barely use the forums anymore.

In my experience, only small-medium sized developers actually interact with people on the forums. Paradox Interactive is very good about that, and a lot today's bid developers used to be about 10 years ago.

No, Morrowind just stays best.

Oblivion still svcks............ Morrowind is better.

Nope it's fair to say all te people obssessed with morrowind are still comparing skyrim to it.

No. Oblivion is, in my opinion, the worst installment in the series (excluding Arena perhaps, which I haven't played). Daggerfall, Morrowind and Skyrim are all superior to it. I can't say which of these three is the best; they each have their own pros and cons.

The newest game in a series like this doesn't automatically become the best in every possible way. :confused: It's perfectly natural for some people to prefer Morrowind... or Oblivion... or Daggerfall. Each game has it's own pros and cons. Skyrim is no exception to that.

Then there's the different settings. Some people will love Skyrim as a setting, while others (such as myself) prefer Cyrodiil.

Im a bit biased towards Morrowind myself. Ive never played Daggerfall or Arena, I want to badly though, as soon as I am, my way of thinking for TES series will continue. Regardless of how bias i am with Morrowind, each game is awesome in their own way. So the comparisons people make dont bother me anymore

I'll have to play Skyrim some more to see how well it really holds up, especially with regards to level scaling and such, but right now I consider it almost as good as Morrowind. And superior to Oblivion by far.

But I play TES games for their open world exploration, and unlike many others I don't care all that much about the simplification of its RPG elements. Sure I disagree with some things, and I don't really like the direction it has been going, but it's not ruining the game for me.

I've played since Morrowind and I've loved all of them so far. My biggest complain with Skyrim so far is the bugs which I know will be fixed soon.

For me..

Imagine a small boy on the beach trying to inconspicously drag sand over a suspicious puddle.

Its an embarresment Id like to forget.

Seriously. I got some good roleplay out of it, despite of it.

Do....Do people seriously believe vanilla Oblivion is even half as good as Skyrim? Good god.

Yeah, I noticed that too. I remember people whining about Morrowind in comparison to Daggerfall, and then people with Oblivion to Morrowind - it kinda baffles me because I found Morrowind and Oblivion to each have their pros and cons, as I've found with Skyrim. However, I'd definitely say Skyrim is better than Oblivion, and I've only played a little bit of it so far. Morrowind I'm not too sure, that game has a lot going for it.

My favourite, however, were people that complained about Morrowind for ridiculous reasons. There was a poster once who said he was outraged by the fact you couldn't be a werewolf in Morrowind, and refused to buy it until Bloodmoon was released. One of the devs did come on at this point (I can't remember his name, but he posted quite a bit. I think he was a developer.) and spoke to the guy about how ridiculous he was. I miss that guy.

But people will always complain. I personally play vanilla most of the time, I hardly ever see mods that really appeal to me - although I did download a couple of new armours for Oblivion. I think perhaps some if it comes from the modding? Some people mod their games A LOT and kind of take for granted the benefits given, forgetting they weren't in the original game, so now they have something finally tuned by lots of of plug-ins to make it as close to perfect as they can, and then grab the new game and go back to vanilla, resulting in them missing aspects that, while not necessarily originally released with it, they have associated with the previous game.

I will say this: I have seen a fair number of posts on this ES board and others in which Oblivion players who didn't like Skyrim compared it unfavorably to their old standard, and returned to it. I've seen a few comments by Morrowind players returning to that game after disliking Skyrim; so I guess it's all in what you like best. Myself, I prefer the 3rd and 4th game in the series, but as an old, late friend frequently used to say, De gustibus est non disputandum. And I think that's sufficient. Instead of arguing with one another about which game is best, I think time might be spent more constructively simply playing the titles, and agreeing that everybody is right for themselves.

Seriously, Skyrim is way batter than Oblivion.

If those started TES with Oblivion, I think those few have extremely little to say/input.

I rather compare Skyrim with Morrowind...than Skyrim with Obilivion.

In which Morrowind still wins...but I'll wait for the creativity of the DLC to decide.
I imagine a Morrowind mod for Skyrim... I imagine epic scales.

I see a Morrowind mod for Oblivion... I puke.

For the most part, those whining about Skyrim not being up to their expectations from Oblivion (which was invariably their first TES game) are just whining. Barring a few important spots where Skyrim finished dumbing-down (chiefly in the magic system) where Oblivion hadn't yet, it's overall a better game in almost every way.

So no, I think Oblivion will be more like the new Arena: the game that largely gets left out of TES discussions, due to a lack of merits on its part to compare favorably to the best games of the series. So basically we have the three "good" games of Daggerfall, Morrowind, and now Skyrim, and the two "forgettable" games of Arena and Oblivion.

The point is.. Im really harsh about everyone.
And once you get to know me you realise Im no harder on anyone else than I am on myself.

So people may enjoy about how Im always on the negative, but they may forget that I hold none to any standard I do not hold myself to.

I do not enjoy being negative nancy.


On the plus side. Skyrim is more / Daggerfall/ than any TES game after Daggerfall.
The couriers delivering notes, the randomised happenstance.

Im really harsh on TES because I love TES.
I have critique on how things are handled this time around because I want it to be better.

The title of this topic probably already made several morrowind [censored] rage. How dare you question their game! HOW DARE YOU!

But meh, people honestly just complain to complain, if you notice all those people that are complaining that Morrowind/Oblivon had this and Oblivion/Skyrim svcks for not having it and X is a better game because *Insert one sided reason*, those people are still going to the forums of the game they "hate" and will bash anyone that says another game is better than theirs. Yup yup, welcome to the gaming world, where [censored] sulk in their dark caverns and brutally murder anyone that does not agree with them.
I have already made it clear that I vastly enjoy Oblivion way more than Morrowind, but I still enjoy playing Morrowind its a freaking awesome game, The only TES installment that I have yet to play is Arena

I loved Morrowind as much as the next guy and enjoyed a modded Morrowind much more than I enjoyed a modded Oblivion, I've just seen as I mentioned in the OP, a lot of topics comparing Skyrim unfavorably to Oblivion and how it's reminiscent of many Morrowind player's unfavorable views of Oblivion (myself included).

Having played all the ES games, starting with Morrowind as my first, I put them in this order of awesomeness:

Skyrim>Daggerfall>Morrowind>Arena>Oblivion.

FINALLY!!!
Someone who understands, someone who shares the PAIN!

No but really this is my gradation (except Arena, I haven't played it)

I think people are always going to compare them and have their own personal favourites. It is unfortunate but that's life.


Personally Morrowind is still my favourite, followed by Oblivion now Skyrim. While i admit Skyrim mostly looks the most impressive i prefer the gameplay of the previous two. I am not sure if this is simply because i have spent the last 8 years playing Morrowind then 5 playing Oblivion. Perhaps after another 6 years of Skyrim i will too find it awesome and compare it more favourably to whatever they produce for TES VI.