[ALPHA/Relz] Oblivion type physics?in Morrowind : III - Morrowind

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:50 am

Worked great, except that all the NPC's in my game turned into Bosmer, except for Fargoth, who is now a Dremora for some reason.

This is quite unacceptable. I am so traumatized that I may never be able to play Morrowind again.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:12 pm

That's what you get for not reading the readme!

:rofl: EXACTLY. Lesson learned, everyone? Please, read those readmes!

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:58 pm

Ha ha, gigs up fool! I know its a hoax

Didn't see your post

But yeah, why'd you have to ruin it?

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:10 pm

Hmm, I mostly suspected an April Fool's joke but a little part of me hoped it was true...

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:14 am

Didn't see your post

But yeah, why'd you have to ruin it?

Cos i hate april fools, its a silly holiday

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:58 pm

A Modders biggest pet-peeve: When people don't read the Read Me
Best April Fool's joke: One that relies one people reading the Read Me

:D awesome. The believable screenshots were a nice touch!

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:36 pm

:rofl: EXACTLY. Lesson learned, everyone? Please, read those readmes!

You got it in one

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:13 pm

The best part here was the evolution! We had nothing to do with those screenshots. And the bug reports were fantastic!

Honestly, the whole readme thing is something I didn't even think of. The fact that someone didn't read it and "fell for it" makes it all the better! Thanks for the chuckles today guys, this was wonderful! :goodjob:

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:00 pm

The best part here was the evolution! We had nothing to do with those screenshots. And the bug reports were fantastic!

Honestly, the whole readme thing is something I didn't even think of. The fact that someone didn't read it and "fell for it" makes it all the better! Thanks for the chuckles today guys, this was wonderful! :goodjob:

haha i know. I feel a bit bad for tricking everyone but it was all in good jest! Thanks to those who played along!!

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:24 pm

I had far too much fun making those screenies. My fiancee had to leave the room because of my insane cackling.

Kudos to you guys, fun fun!

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:30 pm

I wonder...

How good is our map of MW's memory? Are object understood?

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:44 am

:wub: .............................. purely evil :chaos:

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:52 pm

It was rather amusing

I wasnt sure was to think at first, but i thought sodit, one can only hope its not a prank

Luckily, i always read readme's :facepalm:

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:20 am

Maybe it's time to add an April Fool's message to the OP now that it is no longer April Fool's Day?

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:57 pm

I was almost gonna spoil it, because I hadn't read the readme before posting. Sorry. (the irony):P

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:43 pm

I pretty much guessed when I started reading the thread that is was an April Fool's joke.

Oops...that's my bad. Early tests that apparently weren't cleaned out all the way. The very first bit of physics to ever enter the world of Morrowind was set to trigger after my character took ten steps in an exterior cell. It so happened that my test character is in Seyda Need. When it triggered, it found the first "living" reference and shot it up into the air. Turns out it was Fargoth. It was like Tarhiel all over again. Except that we still haven't (and am not entirely sure if will ever) have the AI distance triggers working properly. About half-way down in his fall he started saying "I have a feeling you and I are going to be very close."

This needs to be made into a mod.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:37 pm

Good joke Fligg, good joke.

...But please make this a real mod...If it's possible. Come to think of it, even though your OP was a joke, it sounds reasonable. Would it be possible to use Oblivion as a type of source for emulating physics?

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:17 pm

Fargoth flying in the air - landing on the floor. Hmm that would be a good mod! Maybe he could respawn....

Good joke Fligg, good joke.

...But please make this a real mod...If it's possible. Come to think of it, even though your OP was a joke, it sounds reasonable. Would it be possible to use Oblivion as a type of source for emulating physics?

..... It is not possible i am afraid. Oh and as good as I am, I am not Fliggerty

Though he wrote the dummy exe hehe.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:32 pm

It would be possible in a new engine, though, wouldn't it? (not by the means mentioned)

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:11 pm

It would be possible in a new engine, though, wouldn't it? (not by the means mentioned)

yep - theres a couple of projects out there already such as openmw and crystal morrwind i believe? =which are remaking morrowind from scratch and hopfully physics!!

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:41 pm

Nice joke!
I was also among the first April fools and downloaded this file.

But seriously: what is "Oblivion type physics" for NPCs (I am not interested in statics)? I am not an expert in this field and my observations as a player might be not correct. So, basically it is only simplified Havok ragdolls (even no Havok destruction elements ? body parts are flying in all directions after a successful hit like in Requiem Bloodymare (also modified Gamebryo engine) and, probably, in FO3 (I do not have this game). Moreover, that works in OB in a very "primitive" way (no serious Havok Behavior implementation): regular animation -> death -> ragdolls. Such stuff (and more btw) was implemented long time ago in ancient Unreal2.X games. Interestingly Gamebryo/LightSpeed has endogenous PhysX, not Havok, integration.
I would not spend time and efforts on this outdated "Oblivion type" eye candy. MW engine has many significantly more important problems to be fixed.

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:27 pm

Good joke Fligg, good joke.

...But please make this a real mod...If it's possible. Come to think of it, even though your OP was a joke, it sounds reasonable. Would it be possible to use Oblivion as a type of source for emulating physics?

No, using Oblivion as a physics engine is not possible. Well, it might be, but it'd be too much of a pain to be worth-while.

Using Bullet, PhysX, or Havok as an external wrapper is possible, provided memory access to objects within Morrowind's memory space (easily handled by hooking a DLL into the process), but that requires a thorough knowledge of the format objects are held in memory and some kind of loading-interception to allow the collision meshes to be created. All that is possible, and if done, positioning would simply be handed over to the physics engine which might just be able to handle it. Of course, not nearly enough is known of the Morrowind engine internally to do this easily in the near future. But the concept is possible.

It would be possible in a new engine, though, wouldn't it? (not by the means mentioned)

Yes.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:32 am

Awe.

Back to waiting for Open Morrowind then.

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:31 am

Hehe - hadn't seem the forum take off on a post like this since the Avatar movie came out and inspired a modding burst

Nicely done GHF :goodjob:

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:51 pm

=(

Though seriously Fliggerty, what is taking you so long to finish Butter Battles?