[RELz] Oblivion XP Update - Thread 2 : IV - Oblivion

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:37 pm

Bug report: It's possible to get infinite EXP by killing your own conjured creatures (I use Less Annoying Magic Experience).

I need more detail. I kill my own summons all the time - no issue. I love to use 'em for soul trapping

Are you running 4.1.8? If not, upgrade to 4.1.8.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:00 am

Okay, well I'll just have to start again in February. If you need assistance with testing or anything, let me know. :thumbsup:

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:14 am

Okay, well I'll just have to start again in February. If you need assistance with testing or anything, let me know. :thumbsup:

Will do, thanks

Which UI are you running?

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:05 am

I'm on Dark UI'd Darn

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:13 am

I'm on Dark UI'd Darn

Ok, thanks. If I do a preview, I'll only want to make the changes to one UI for testing...

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:44 pm

I need more detail. I kill my own summons all the time - no issue. I love to use 'em for soul trapping

Are you running 4.1.8? If not, upgrade to 4.1.8.

Yes, I use version 4.1.8. I uploaded a video to show you the bug: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I2kUelhzv0

My mods:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]09  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0A  A_Bloody_Mess.esm0B  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]0C  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0D  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp10  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp11  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]12  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]13  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.1]14  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]15  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp++  Real Lava 1.3.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp16  MIS.esp17  MIS Low Wind.esp18  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp19  PowerAttack Voicemod - The Shivering Isles.esp  [Version v1.32]1A  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.1]1B  WindowLightingSystem.esp1C  ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp1D  diversegrasses.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]1E  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.1]1F  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.3.1]20  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]21  kuerteeCleanUp.esp22  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.42]23  Streamline 3.1.esp24  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.8]25  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]26  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.1.1]++  MaleBodyReplacerV3.esp27  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]28  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]29  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp2A  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2B  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]2C  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]2D  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]2E  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]2F  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]30  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]31  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]32  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]33  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]34  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]35  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]36  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]37  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]38  300 Regal Imperial City 2.esp39  Auriel's_Retreat.esp  [Version 1.1]3A  ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp3B  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4.1]3C  thievery.esp++  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]3D  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]3E  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]3F  xulTheHeath.esp++  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp40  XulEntiusGorge.esp41  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]42  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]43  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]44  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]45  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]46  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]47  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]48  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]49  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]4A  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]++  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp4B  xulPantherRiver.esp4C  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]4D  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]4E  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]4F  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]50  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]51  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]52  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]53  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp54  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp55  OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp  [Version 1.0]56  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]57  A Bloody Mess - Bloody Fights.esp58  SkycaptainsBloodTime.esp59  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]5A  ATakesAll.esp5B  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp++  RealisticForceMedium.esp5C  MidasSpells.esp5D  Lightweight Potions.esp  [Version 1.1]5E  sycHearNoEvil.esp  [Version 1.0]5F  Armorer's Advantage.esp60  Oblivion XP.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - OOO.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - Thievery.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - UL Colovian Highlands.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - UL Lost Coast.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - UL Brena.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - UL Blackwood Forest.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]61  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]62  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]63  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]64  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]++  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]65  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]++  No More Annoying Messages.esp  [Version 1.3]66  Automatic Timescale.esp  [Version 1.1.1]**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]++  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]++  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.1]67  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:03 am

Yes, I use version 4.1.8. I uploaded a video to show you the bug: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I2kUelhzv0

My mods:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]09  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0A  A_Bloody_Mess.esm0B  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]0C  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0D  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp10  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp11  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]12  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]13  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.1]14  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]15  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp++  Real Lava 1.3.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp16  MIS.esp17  MIS Low Wind.esp18  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp19  PowerAttack Voicemod - The Shivering Isles.esp  [Version v1.32]1A  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.1]1B  WindowLightingSystem.esp1C  ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp1D  diversegrasses.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]1E  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.1]1F  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.3.1]20  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]21  kuerteeCleanUp.esp22  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.42]23  Streamline 3.1.esp24  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.8]25  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]26  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.1.1]++  MaleBodyReplacerV3.esp27  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]28  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]29  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp2A  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2B  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]2C  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]2D  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]2E  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]2F  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]30  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]31  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]32  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]33  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]34  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]35  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]36  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]37  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]38  300 Regal Imperial City 2.esp39  Auriel's_Retreat.esp  [Version 1.1]3A  ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp3B  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4.1]3C  thievery.esp++  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]3D  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]3E  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]3F  xulTheHeath.esp++  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp40  XulEntiusGorge.esp41  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]42  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]43  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]44  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]45  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]46  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]47  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]48  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]49  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]4A  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]++  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp4B  xulPantherRiver.esp4C  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]4D  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]4E  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]4F  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]50  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]51  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]52  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]53  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp54  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp55  OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp  [Version 1.0]56  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]57  A Bloody Mess - Bloody Fights.esp58  SkycaptainsBloodTime.esp59  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]5A  ATakesAll.esp5B  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp++  RealisticForceMedium.esp5C  MidasSpells.esp5D  Lightweight Potions.esp  [Version 1.1]5E  sycHearNoEvil.esp  [Version 1.0]5F  Armorer's Advantage.esp60  Oblivion XP.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - OOO.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - Thievery.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - UL Colovian Highlands.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - UL Lost Coast.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - UL Brena.esp++  Let There Be Darkness - UL Blackwood Forest.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]61  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]62  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]63  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]64  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]++  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]65  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]++  No More Annoying Messages.esp  [Version 1.3]66  Automatic Timescale.esp  [Version 1.1.1]**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]++  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]++  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.1]67  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I don't think that is necessarily a bug. It is either intended to work that way or, more than likely a overlooked gameplay issue in the mod. I mean, vanilla oblivion was the same way. You could attack your summons and gain xp for it. It's just a issue of self-control

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:11 am

As samuro_ said, that's not a bug

As far as Oblivion XP is concerned, it's just another critter that you've killed. Doesn't matter if you're using LAME, Supreme Magicka or vanilla. You will also get more points if you soul trap them before killing them :wink:

Basically I don't consider this a serious enough issue to try to code around. You also get the experience points if you kill a conjurer's summoned creature before killing the conjurer - and a lot of players want it that way. So I would have to figure out that it's the player's summoned creature specifically and not award the points. It's an exploit that can be easily avoided, should you choose to do so.

I thought you might be referring to the truly infinite experience points that you could get with the original Ob XP with certain summoned creatures. Basically one of the magic overhauls (Midas Magic?) didn't assign a level to the summoned creatures, so it would make a mess when you killed the creature when running Ob XP. That's why I asked about which version you were running - I fixed that bug

In vanilla Oblivion you can use summoned creatures to improve your skills, like samuro_ mentioned. So basically it's the same with Oblivion XP.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:53 am

Hey guys, got a big issue with this. I installed FCOM with no major problems, but found it really hard and tried installing Oblivion XP levelling to help smooth it out a bit, plus the concept sounds cool.

I installed using the OMOD version, and used the OMOD conversion data to make an OMOD for the newest update. (I had the problem before I updated though)

My problem is that, first of all when I installed, it didnt allow me to redistribute my points and reset my attributes to default even though I clicked yes. I figured, no big deal, and just went on. When I finally got to level up, my bar went green and everything, but clicking the level up button did nothing, it just quit my menu screen back to gameplay without changing anything, my xp bar doesn't change and I can't level up.

I'm using Dark Darni UI and FCOM of course.

Any help would be appreciated. My load order is:
Oblivion.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
FCOM_Convergence.esm
HorseCombatMaster.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp
LoadingScreensRemade.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
Storms & Sound.esp
weather inside [seasons] v1.2.esp
IlluminationWithin.esp
IWR-Lights.esp
IWR-Windows.esp
IWR-Shutters.esp
Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
bgShaderStandAloneEV.esp
ImprovedSigns.esp
Expanded Hotkeys and Spell Delete V2a.esp
KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp
Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
FCOM_BobsArmory.esp
Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
FCOM_WarCry.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp
FCOM_Convergence.esp
FCOM_RealSwords.esp
FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp
T.I.E4MODS.esp
VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
Window Entrances 1.0.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
xulSnowdale.esp
xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
JQ-Fighters_Guild_United.esp
LCE-addon.esp
StealthOverhaul.esp
RenGuardOverhaul.esp
RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp
DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
Beautiful People.esp
Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Oblivion XP.esp

Could FCOM slow skill levelling be causing problems? or the stealth overhaul?

One more thing btw, whenever I start a new game, whatever button I have assigned to run (i.e. left shift) freezes my character in place and takes away the hud instead, this has happened ever since I installed OBSE. Any help with any of these would be great, but the main thing is levelling! Thanks a lot!

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:34 pm

Which verison of Oblivion XP are you using? Which version of OBSE? If you are running the Steam version of the game, did you enable the Steam in-game community (you have to do that to get OBSE to load properly)? The problems you describe are because Oblivion XP isn't initializing properly.

Also, I suggest you use BOSS to sort that LO. Oblivion XP shouldn't load after your bash patch, it should be higher in your LO than that.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:15 am

I thought I did use BOSS to laod it, I'll try again.

I'm using the newest version of both, and I'm not using the steam version, good old disc based.

I used the omod version of OBXP 415, and then updated using OBXP 418. I didn't uninstall, but even before I updated I was having the problem.

OBSE is 0019

Edit - Just did BOSS again and made sure it reordered properly, gonna give it a go again, will report back soon.

New Load order

Oblivion.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
FCOM_Convergence.esm
HorseCombatMaster.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp
LoadingScreensRemade.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
Storms & Sound.esp
weather inside [seasons] v1.2.esp
IlluminationWithin.esp
IWR-Lights.esp
IWR-Windows.esp
IWR-Shutters.esp
Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
bgShaderStandAloneEV.esp
ImprovedSigns.esp
Expanded Hotkeys and Spell Delete V2a.esp
KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp
Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
FCOM_BobsArmory.esp
Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
FCOM_WarCry.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp
FCOM_Convergence.esp
FCOM_RealSwords.esp
FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp
T.I.E4MODS.esp
VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
Window Entrances 1.0.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
xulSnowdale.esp
xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
JQ-Fighters_Guild_United.esp
LCE-addon.esp
StealthOverhaul.esp
RenGuardOverhaul.esp
RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp
DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
Oblivion XP.esp
Beautiful People.esp
Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:01 pm

Nope, reordering didn't work.

Would it be worth trying to reinstall everything including dark darn UI? Maybe there's a conflict somewhere, though I used omod for both so I don't think there should be.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:57 am

Uninstall and try to re-install. If you don't uninstall first, OBMM may not replace the menus properly. You need to follow the upgrade instructions in the downloaded version of the readme to make sure OBMM replaces everything properly.

With OBSE, make sure you're using 19b. There is a nasty bug in the initial release of 19 that caused a lot of trouble. The link to OBSE is in the opening post of this thread if you need it.

If it still doesn't work after reinstalling and possibly upgrading your copy of OBSE, please post the contents of your obse.log file in spoiler tags.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:06 pm

Ok, thanks. I'll give it a go.

Thanks for the help

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:59 am

Ok, I uninstalled OBSE completely, as well as all OBSE mods. Installed Darnified Dark UI, which worked fine on it's own.

I then installed OBSE, which also worked fine on it's own (as in it launched the game properly)

I installed OBXP 418 and I still have the same problem, can't level up.

Here's my OBSE log, don't see any reference to OBXP. :wacko:

Spoiler

OBSE: initialize (version = 19.6 010201A0)
oblivion root = C:\Program Files (x86)\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion\
plugin directory = C:\Program Files (x86)\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion\Data\OBSE\Plugins\
patched
loading from C:\Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Saves\Save 47 - Darunir - Pell's Gate, Level 2, Playing Time 05.30.00.obse
Reading mod list from co-save
Loading strings
Loading array variables
DoLoadGameHook: C:\Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Saves\Save 47 - Darunir - Pell's Gate, Level 2, Playing Time 05.30.00.ess
loading from C:\Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Saves\Save 47 - Darunir - Pell's Gate, Level 2, Playing Time 05.30.00.obse
RenameGameHook: C:\Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Saves\autosave.ess -> C:\Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Saves\autosave.bak
renaming C:\Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Saves\autosave.obse -> C:\Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Saves\autosave.obse.bak
DoSaveGameHook: C:\Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Saves\autosave.ess
saving to C:\Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Saves\autosave.obse
OBSE: deinitialize

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:10 am

No, there won't be a reference to Ob XP, so that's fine. Are you running Win 7? If you're running Win 7, or even Vista, we really recommend you install outside of Program Files. Program Files is a protected directory and it won't allow programs to write changes there. The Oblivion XP menus are changed dynamically, so the OS might be the problem here.

I recommend you reinstall Oblivion to a directory like C:\Games. You can reuse your saved games, so backup the Oblivion folder in My Games first. You might even be able to move your data directory, so back that up before uninstalling Oblivion.

It sounds like you've done everything else, so I really think you're running into UAC issues here. You installed your UI first, then Oblivion XP. When you installed Ob XP, I'm assuming you selected DarkUId DarN as the UI when it prompted you during the installation. If you followed those steps, then it must be the UAC preventing the menu from being generated.

I don't see anything in your load list that would be a problem. I guess one last check would be to open the console after your game has loaded and see if there are any error messages listed there, but I really think it's the UAC, as I said.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:46 am

I am indeed running Windows 7, But I have UAC disabled, so it shouldn't be the cause of the issue right? Or is this slightly different to the constant messages it brings up?

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:10 am

Yeah, I was going to suggest that you disable UAC, but I didn't because I don't suggest that to people in general (don't know their expertise with computers etc) and quite frankly, I wasn't sure it would help. I also have UAC disabled, but I notice that I still need to run certain things as administrator. I'm also running Win 7 and Dark UI'd Darn. I'm not running FCOM, but I know there are a lot of Ob XP players that are.

Ok, I have one last thing you can try before going through a reinstallation. Right-click on oblivion.exe and change the compatibility settings so that it runs as administrator. You should probably do the same thing to the shortcut that runs the OBSE loader for starting the game. Let's see if that helps. You will also need to change the Oblivion game folder so that your specific user account has full privileges. If you can't do that, then you will have to move Oblivion.

I know that there are a lot of players that have trouble until they move the Oblivion installation. Basically mods need to make changes to their files, and Windows does its best to prevent that when the program is installed to a protected area. I guess stuff installed to program files isn't supposed to be altered, and if it was just the executable that was stored there, that would be true. Unfortunately modded Oblivion also includes a lot of dynamic files, which really shouldn't be in the same folder as the executable, but that's the way Beth designed it. I wonder what they're going to do with Skyrim?...

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:04 pm

I pretty much use OBXP exclusively now and I'm looking forward to your additions. Definitely liking the mod so far, and haven't had any issues [well, my Minimap exploded, but I just re-installed it with the OBXP option and everything's fine now]. If I get into the modding section of Oblivion, I'll certainly toss in the OBXP quest markers. I'm already considering my options... The more I play my modded game [and the more my load list grows... it's getting a bit absurd] and see what can be done, the more inspired I become.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:15 am

I pretty much use OBXP exclusively now and I'm looking forward to your additions. Definitely liking the mod so far, and haven't had any issues [well, my Minimap exploded, but I just re-installed it with the OBXP option and everything's fine now]. If I get into the modding section of Oblivion, I'll certainly toss in the OBXP quest markers. I'm already considering my options... The more I play my modded game [and the more my load list grows... it's getting a bit absurd] and see what can be done, the more inspired I become.

Great! Glad to hear it.

I will be coming out with a couple more updates, when I manage to extricate myself from another mod I got involved with...

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:57 am

Ah. I've got everything like default. Except changed the mastery levels, Changed attributes to 15 per level, which I'll probably switch down to 10. << I like multiples of 5. OCD yay. My skill points are set to 90 per level. And I have it in specialist mode. So for a stealth class, stealth skills cost 2-3 points. And non-specialized combat skills are 4 and stuff. Think I might drop down the skill points too.

Also. I don't really understand how AVuncapper does it. I'm good at math. But I don't feel like plugging in and checking things when they could be explained somewhat easily. Also. Attributes over 100, helpful or not?

Check out the INI file from: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35675 The settings in INI for DR to be set are the ones you can either use the mod in link or manually edit them in the AVuncapperExample.esp. If left alone, everything is vanilla. Again, the mod in the link is an INI script that edits the AVUncapper example plugin.

So, less overhead by manually adjusting the values. The INI just makes it easier for those of us without the math skills...me being one. I have been using Andalaybay's updated OBXP along with AVUncapper since both were released. Only thing I request is XP for UV kills, but Ima good I get XP from DR5 and that's coool. :toughninja:

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:42 am

Check out the INI file from: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35675 The settings in INI for DR to be set are the ones you can either use the mod in link or manually edit them in the AVuncapperExample.esp. If left alone, everything is vanilla. Again, the mod in the link is an INI script that edits the AVUncapper example plugin.

So, less overhead by manually adjusting the values. The INI just makes it easier for those of us without the math skills...me being one. I have been using Andalaybay's updated OBXP along with AVUncapper since both were released. Only thing I request is XP for UV kills, but Ima good I get XP from DR5 and that's coool. :toughninja:

Hahaha - there you are! Ok, the issue with Unnecessary Violence is that it doesn't appear to update the kills statistic. Oblivion XP relies on two miscellaneous stats to detect kills: 5 (creatures killed) and 6 (NPC's killed). UV's kills do not update these stats. Now you can force this, which is how I fixed the poison kills in Ob XP, but UV doesn't do this. I've contacted Hex_off (last October) about this but he hasn't been around, so this remains an outstanding bug. I'm not even sure I could do a patch for it because I suspect that I would have to override most of UV's killing scripts. So I suggest people use DR 5 or 6 and leave UV until Hex returns and we can get this fixed. If he doesn't return, then I may look at trying to fix this, but I admit I am really busy and this is way down on my to-do list. I do have it in the back of my mind and will squeeze it in if I have time before Skyrim is released - that's assuming that this is something I could fix with a patch.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:34 am

Hi all
I have this problem : I cannot see the last part of the XP screen wich gives me the x on y X / Y experience I have, but strangely the coloured bar and the rectangle with all messages is visible
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15619
Can someone help me ? @andalaybay

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:36 pm

Hi all
I have this problem : I cannot see the last part of the XP screen wich gives me the x on y X / Y experience I have, but strangely the coloured bar and the rectangle with all messages is visible
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15619
Can someone help me ? @andalaybay

That's the old version. Could you upgrade to the new version, please? Just click on my sig for the opening post, with the link to the download. Also, be sure to follow the upgrade instructions in the downloaded version of the readme - the ini file has changed and there are some UI changes, so you need to follow the instructions to get it installed properly.

» Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:52 pm

It doesn't work actually ... seems I didn't unistalled it correctly
I get the message on the top screen Oblivion XP is running (or something like this) and on the gold rectangle I can see that I'm running version 4.18

WAIT : what is the old version ? mine or thatone I'm looking for with the experience X/Y ?