Wait.. So he is saying that the quest doesn't complete if he doesnt get the artifact? What are you saying? I don't understand... I'm tired..

He is saying he decided to take the less "evil" route by killing everyone instead of completing the quest in a fashion the game would recognize.

Why should you? The achievement is for collecting 15 daedric artifacts, not completing 15 daedric quests...

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAD Stormalong!

Yay, let's make everyone get achievements, no matter what choices they make. Everyone's a winner!

He (and I) are insisting that the game should have set up this achievment like the civil war quest achievment. I know how this achievment is currently set up, which is the problem here.

(and I know I can make another character and get them all, we just don't think you should have to if you don't have to make another character just for the civil war)

edit: And he DOES have 15 daedric artifacts. The Skeleton key is indeed a daedric artifact

Well, it's probably too late to fix now, live with it...

I messed up on this one last night and it was my last achievement and I had to redo it. All 15 daedric quest. And btw there is about 4 quest that you can mess this achievement on.

Cheers

Do the mehrune's dagon quest chain. If you don't murder the guy, the quest completes but you don't get the knife and therefore can't get Oblivion Walker. Same for the quest chain where there's a staff and if you don't make the split second decision to kill the guy, you again can't get Oblivion Walker.

Sure, there are some quests where you can't complete them if you don't want to be evil, but there are some that do let you make the "good" choice and complete them... only you don't get credit since you aren't given the reward at the end. I would have rather Bethesda made the achievement 10 artifacts so the game was free to let you make the choice you wanted to make.

It is only an achievement, so I'm not in a rush, but I still plan to get in knocked out, and it is a shame that you have to turn your RP side off and just do it for the achievement.

It's the nature of the task. You can either do what it is that is asked of you or not do it. If you agree to do it, you can either do it or do something that will result in you failing what was asked of you. If you don't do what is asked of you, then why should you still succeed and get rewarded? You don't, you fail.




Exactly.



They're reading, understanding, and replying. They're just not agreeing and not telling you what you want to hear.



The OP is just a completionist who is unwilling to sacrifice role play to complete it all.

/end thread

Yea, I agree. Now I get to make a new character I'm not interested in just to do the same 15 quests all over again. SWEEEET!

Shouldn't we be thanking Beth for not sacrificing lore in order to please "achievement hunters"

That isn't the point. The point is that it shouldn't be.


That's supremely unhelpful. This forum is, in part, to discuss grievances with Skyrim and perhaps appeal to the devs.


You're mistaking the fact that an achievement is something completely outside of the lore. An achievement need not have any actual bearing on the quest at hand. Bethesda could have simply chosen to say "hey you're an "Oblivion Walker" because you were contacted by and supported or rejected a Daedra Lord. That would be perfectly valid, and better, IMO.


Again, achievements have nothing to do with lore at all. In fact the lore of Tamriel is very much set by things that happen outside of the games. The Lore does not, for example, say that the Hero of Kvatch was the Listener of the Cyrodilic Dark Brotherhood.

Ultimately I agree with the OP. I believe that the daunting job of completing the 15 Daedric quests for good or for ill is worthy of the achievement.

Of course. Also, we should thank them for backwards flying dragons.

Ok, lets play it that way. "Oblivion Walker: Collect 15 Daedric Artifacts" The OP failed to collect the necessary artifacts. Its completely his fault and if he really wants the achievement he must either reload an earlier save or start over. \ thread



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Um, what? My point that you obviously missed is that the achievement would be better if it said "Complete the 15 daedric quests". I have no idea what you're saying.



The consequence is that he doesn't get Namira's Ring and the POWERFUL Mehrune's Razor. The lack of an achievement, again, should not reflect this IMO.

But it doesn't say that does it. Hell, the achievement would have been better if it said "Complete 1 daedric quest" but it doesn't, hell if would be ever better if it said "Start the game" but it doesn't. It says " Get 15 Daedric Artifacts".

You must meet SPECIFIC qualifications to get the achievement. If you don't tough [censored].

To you guys better seems to mean "easier", thats not how it works, live with it. Im done with this,

It doesn't. The OP and I are saying that the achievement should be different. We have already acknowledged the content of the achievement. That isn't the point. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't start criticizing an argument that you only half understand.

Edit: The SPECIFIC requirements should be the completion of the quests. IMO.

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This. This is the core point to understand. However, this guy wants to ride Beth's pogo stick and not admit a fault that is there. Instead, he is going to post silly emoticons.

Ok, I'm sorry and this will be my last post in this thread but I must clairify that I understand completely what you guys are saying

"I wish Beth would have made it easier to where all I had to do was complete the quests instead of completing the quests in a specific way in order to get the reward necessary"

I understand what you are saying and I disagree with your opinion. Furthermore, it is the way it is and there is no changing it, of all the valid critiques about the game, this is one of the most ridiculous. I have never seen anyone complain about an achievement because they [censored] up and failed to achieve the necessary requirements to get an achievement.

And you still haven't. Both options for Azura's Star, good or evil, allow you to get credit for the quest. It was an oversight to not give credit for their completion. Just like the civil war quests award you for whatever faction you choose, it was an oversight to not have the same credit awarded.

Consider Clavicus Vile's quest...I think..

Does anyone really care about achievements that much - is this what gaming has been reduced to? The pursuit of points or trophies? Whatever happened to just having fun?

But don't you keep the star with either choice, meaning you still get an artifact, and Azura is one of the Princes that isn't totally evil, so it would make sense.