So I just realized after roughly 150 hours, that I cannot get the Oblivion Walker achievement, because I disagreed with being a cannibal (and proceeded to kill them all). This was before I realized the skeleton key didn't count as a daedric artifact. Does anyone else think this should be changed to completing the quest (for example; killing the cannibal cult as optional objective)? Or at least decrease the amount you need, as I know a few friends who've daedric quests have been bugged. (Or in my case, make the skeleton key count as an artifact :whistling: ) You'd think with a game that allows you to make all these choices and do as you wish, they wouldn't require you to do absolutely evil things to complete the achievements (In fact, they made it possible to get the civil war achievements no matter which side you picked.)

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daedric_Princes

Read up on your Daedric Princes. They are not Benevolent beings out to benefit mankind. Evil comes part and parcel with just about all of them, why? Because they can. If you attempting the achievement, might I suggest making a different character that will do the evil things willingly.

I'm aware of this. And some people may not want to do the evil things, which is why I think completing the daedric quests would be a better achievement. They didn't require people to make a second character and go through the civil war questline again, did they?

I fail to see your point here. Correct me if I am wrong, most Daedric Princes are inherently evil. If you are aware, what's the problem? Just do them or as he suggested, re-roll for a more opportunistic/evil character. You are STILL completing those quests but the evil background cannot be thrown away.

My point being that evil is a given, if you don't wanna be evil then you don't do the quests. I was under the impression that if you complete the daedric quests you get a daedric artifact ( I haven't done them all yet). So ipso facto, if you complete the quests you get the achievements.

The problem is I already failed the quest, and as a result cannot complete the quest. =P I'm not diasgreeing with the fact that the Daedra are evil, and that I can reroll to complete the achievement if I wanted it that bad. But they didn't make it so you had to reroll to do both sides of the civil war quests for achievements, why do the same thing with the Daedric quests?

I was the same...I didnt want to commit murder for Dagon.

You failed the quest, so, yeah, its your bad not thiers.

I'm fine with evil, as I'm sitting here with 14 artifacts. But I didn't want to be a cannibal (this was way early in my playthrough), so my options were A. do it anyway (and this is an RPG, so I don't see why I should have to) or B. disagree, kill everyone (or just leave the quest sitting there, which is once again too late to do), and fail the quest, which means I do NOT get the artifact, and I do not get the achievement.

I failed the quest because of a choice, on a game based on choices, that presented me no choice but to eat people or fail. The majority of the other quests give you an option, even if that option is killing everyone. Which is why I'm wondered why they made it so you have to follow exactly what they tell you to do for this ONE achievement.

I think the problem is that you value the "achievements." I don't really consider them to be "achievements" but things you can do. There is no reward that I know of for getting all of them other than some sense of satisfaction. And more satisfaction can be attained in my opinion from role playing your character into who you want him/her to be than doing a list of things. That you "screwed it up" and "failed the quest" was probably a result of your actively role playing. So kudos.

Someone playing an RPG is complaining about a choice they have to make in a game that will make a serious impact on their character? I think you might be playing the wrong game.. This is Elder Scrolls, its not tailored so everything you do is good and rightious, and not every scenario you run into will have a grey choice rather then black or whtie, sometimes there is no grey area and you must choose. Either you are willing to bend to the deadric princes will and eat the human flesh if you want their boon, or you are not. That is the choice. That is what Deadric Princes do... they want YOU to bend to THEIR will, do what They Want.. If you dont want to do what they want, you dont get their boon or item. Not all Princes are easy to associate with like Hiricine who is happy as long as someone is hunted down and killed in a sporting manner, while other Princes are more black and white, like Miridia is very black and white when it comes to the undead She/He hates them. and Beothia Hates weak people.

I hate to sound like a stereotype myself in saying this sounds like a console player complaining about everything PC-RPG fans love. Real choices with real consequences.

I personally stopped at an Inn got some BBQ sauce, enjoyed a good meal, then killed everyone and ate them too, AS A WEREWOLF.

I would not take the daedric quests or sabotage the daedric quests on a good character. Save Oblivion Walker for a playthrough that's power-hungry at all costs or an evil character.

You need only wait to create another character. I do understand that you are mad that you could not get the achievement, but you said you failed the quest.

What would be the point of including the choice if it did not have consequences?

They are immortal Daedra, and care nothing for the lives of mortals and have basically an amoral nature. You might have noticed that several of them had a shared theme of deriving amusemant from the machinations that can occur among mortals.

I never really liked that bard in Riverwood, anyway.

OK, Ill correct you, Daedric Princes are neither good or evil. They have no morality a mortal could understand.

True. Sheograth would be the most obvious example.

If you have 14 you just need to get 1 more That can't be so hard?

I did that quest but got my revenge

Holy crap, bunch of [censored]s...

I agree with you OP. Their argument is dumb saying "If you don't want to be evil don't do it." That's not the point, I've done EVERY Daedric quest and I cannot get the achievment. THAT's the point of this thread.

They give the player multiple ways of completing the daedric quest and penalize you for chosing wrong. Yet if you chose either side of the civil war quest you still get the achievment no matter what. He's saying the daedric quests should be the same way to get their achievment.

So stop arguing for arguing's sake and listen.

I think you should read... That's not what he is complaining about at all. He DID the daedric quests and is screwed out of the achievment like me. That's the point....

edit: AND in fact, he's mad because he DOESN'T have a choice. If he chooses the way he wants to do the quest then he doesn't get the achievment. It forces you to complete it a certain way to get it...

I made the mistake of not being evil enough on my first character. Since the quests are pretty self contained so it doesn't actually make any sort of real difference, on a different character I intend to complete the quest lines, even if my character isn't evil. A good RPer can use his imagination and glaze over the parts where it would otherwise unfairly penalize you for roleplaying.

Doesn't matter if you have done them... You have to do it in a way that pleases the Prince! What would be the point if you got it if you betrayed a Daedric Prince? That wouldn't make sense at all! ''Oh ok! You didn't do as i told you, mortal! But i am so kind so you can have my legendary Daedric artifact anyway!'' That doesnt sound very evil does it?
Do as the princes say = get a reward...

He doesn't care about the reward, he cares about the game recognizing that he completed the questline for the Daedra. It is the equivalent of the Civil War quests only counting if you side with the Empire.

Again... still not reading what was in the post =\

I NEVER said you should get the artifact. What I said was you should still get the ACHIEVMENT for doing the quests just like you get the achievment not matter what choice you make on the civil war quest.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAD people.