Obse issue : IV

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:52 pm

I have everything set up right. I've reinstalled twice and I've deactivated and uninstalled all my mods over. Every time I start a game and press "New Game" my game freezes for a second then crashes. It works fine if I use the launcher without OBSE, but I sorta need OBSE for over half of my mods. I'm sorry if this is posted somewhere but I couldn't find it. Please Help! :shrug: :bowdown: :banghead: I have the latest stable OBSE and here is my load order.
P.s. I am the worst person with load orders

Spoiler

HorseCombatMaster.esm
UnnecessaryViolence.esm
TamrielTravellers.esm
Toaster Says Share v3.esm
All Natural Base.esm
Jog_X_Mod.esm
Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
MathFunctions.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Cobl Main.esm
DA Run Fatigue.esm
AlternativeOblivionMagicSystem.esm
Oblivion.esm
T.I.E4MODS.esp
Choices and Consequences.esp
Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
Mart's Monster Mod.esp
goldenarrowarcheryshopfixedprices.esp
ANB_No_FastTravel.esp
KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
Compass-Disable_Both.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Si.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
Beautiful People.esp
Arena_BattlesV1.1.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
RealSleepExtended.esp
goblin_war_party.esp
Cobl Races.esp
All Natural.esp
Evantal's Dual Wielding.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
300ClassesUVW.esp
Necromancer's Tower.esp
BetterImperfectWater.esp
No psychic guards harder v1.2.esp
Extended Death Camera.esp
LifeDetect Shader HQ.esp
newstartV3.esp
za_bankmod.esp
_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp
Syc_LongerNightsforVampires.esp
Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp
RealisticForceHigh.esp
mythsandlegends.esp
Portable Campsite.esp
Crowded Roads 15.esp
StealthOverhaul.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
immersive_caves_auto.esp
Cheydinhal Petshop.esp
Servant of the Dawn.esp
RealisticMagicForceHigh.esp
AinmhiRace-RensBeautyPackFull.esp
Amajor7 Imperial Furniture.esp
Cliff_RPO_NewBeginnings_RPC.esp
DA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.esp
DA Fatigued Running.esp
DA Sprint.esp
SoT_TheOrderofNibenay.esp
Dremora Mortal.esp
RenKnockOutArrow.esp
VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
Damsels In Distress.esp
bgBalancingEVCore.esp
bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp
Knights.esp
Thieves Arsenal.esp
Crowded Cities 15.esp
RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp
thievery.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creature Skins.esp
Living Economy - Items.esp
Living Economy.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp
bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp
bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp
Enhanced Grabbing - Unnecessary Violence Liaison.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
bgMagicEVStartspells.esp
bgMagicItemSigil.esp
bgMagicBonus.esp
bgMagicEVShader.esp
bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp
bgMagicAlchemy.esp
bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp
bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp
M.O.E. - Tools of Kagrenac - The Secret of White Gold Tower.esp
Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
Treasure_Maps_The_Legend_Of_Jauffres_Gold.esp
Treasure Maps Meridias Womb.esp
Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp
M.O.E. - Lycanthropy and Lichcraft.esp
qazFingerSnap.esp
LoadingScreens.esp
More Poisened Food!0.3.esp
TFF_Races_Base.esp
TFF_Armor_Base.esp
TFF_Clothing_Base.esp
Drop Lit Torches Weight.esp
Real Lava 1.3.esp
treasure maps captus demus.esp
Rainbows.esp
2nd to 1st person.esp
Cutthroat Merchants.esp
SM Combat Hide.esp
Streamline 3.1.esp
AmbientTownSounds.esp
CBScryingv1.esp
Improved Child Races.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
eyja.esp
Get Wet.esp
Deadly Reflex - Breathing Motion & Head Bobbing.esp
Deadly Reflex Bow Sway.esp
Extended Imperial City Version 1.0.esp
Assassin Tripwires.esp
ArcaneArchery.esp
Treasure Maps_Boethia's Burden.esp
ScriptEffectSubduer.esp
SupremeMagicka.esp
SM_Scrolls.esp
SM_EnchantStaff.esp
SM_OOO.esp
SM_COBL.esp
SM_DeadlyReflex.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
Realism fix.esp
Immersive Travelers.esp
SpreadingVampirism.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
lustyargonianrequest.esp
Training Cave.esp
PersonalPackGuars.esp
TamrielTravellers.esp
TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp
TamrielTravellers4MMM.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsUnscaled.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp
Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp
PersonalPackGuars White.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp
Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp
Kyoma's Journal Mod.esp
bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp
DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
RealisticHealth.esp
Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
MountainShack.esp
GlimmeringCastle.esp
UnnecessaryViolence.esp
Enhanced Grabbing.esp
Populated Prisons.esp
Ranokoas City Stealth Exits.esp
KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
Lynges Thieves Highway - OOO.esp
BubbleFx.esp
BHC_Expanded.esp
Kragenir's Death Quest.esp
All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp
Enhanced Key Functionality.esp
Enhanced Key Functionality [Shivering Isles].esp
ReallyImmersiveMessages.esp
Staff of Chaos.esp
RealisticFatigue.esp
Pats Business Mod---Shop Version 2.0.esp
kuerteeWanderingEncounters.esp
BringIt.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
Archery Rebalance.esp
Vampire House.esp
ConduitMagic.esp
NAVM GREETING fix.esp
MidasSpells.esp
Ash's Odd Jobs.esp
Oblivion Collectible Cards.esp
RenGuardOverhaul.esp
FearsomeMagicka.esp
Horse_AI-2364.esp
AOMS + BASE.esp
AOMS + MIDAS.esp
AOMS + SUPREME.esp
AOMS + LAME.esp
Cobl Races - Balanced.esp

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:53 pm

BOSS your load order. Like, f'reelz. That's just atrocious

As for OBSE, it's almost certainly not OBSE but an OBSE plugin that's causing the issue. Actually, it's probably your effed up load order XD. But if BOSS doesn't fix the problem, remove all your plugins and put them back in one by one until the problem is resolved.

» Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:10 am

It's not OBSE that's causing the problem but one of the mods that's using it. In particular, this type of thing happening is usually the result of not having an esm or esp file that a particular mod needs installed, a missing master file. Be sure you've installed everything properly and haven't missed anything. If all else fails, deactivate a number of mods each time you start up. Try maybe 5-10 at a time. When the game finally does load up, you can narrow it down a bit further until you find the mod that's causing it.

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:01 pm

The fact that Oblivion.esm isn't loading first isn't helping things.

» Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:07 am

Mmm, I never noticed the load order. You have MMM for OOO loading before OOO itself, also Kvatch Rebuilt. Either of those could be the problem right there. You can't have an esp that's designed to make a mod compatible with a something like OOO loading before the master file. And yes, get BOSS and have it organize your load order, it's a mess. And don't use Living Economy, it's obsolete. Get Enhanced Economy, it's much better. You also have two versions of Natural weather, Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp and Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp. You're only suppsed to use one, not both. Also, those mods are very buggy. Either get one of the fixed version or go for a different weather mod altogether.

It would really help if you would take the time to look at the various readmes:

All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp - Use if you want to see Enhanced Weather's, Natural Weather's and AWS's weathers together.

You only have Natural Weather, why are you using this plugin?

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:46 pm

Take a look at the front page of the mods forum - you will see the pinned links at the top, yes? Well in the 5th one down there is a thread which has been hyperlinked in the 1st post, entitled: Everything you wanted to know about load order.

Click it and start reading.

Be enlightened.

Become: The "best" person with load orders....

P.S. That should have given it away from the start, huh? :wink_smile:

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:38 pm

You only have Natural Weather, why are you using this plugin?

I stopped looking after Oblivion.esm showed up out of place. But yes, that too needs fixing among a whole host of other things. All Natural does not play nice with other weather mods. Hardly surprising. Weather mods dislike it when other weather mods are fighting them for control.

Load order alone will not fix this, you really do need to stop and take a good long look at what you're trying to do because honestly it looks like a lot of stuff got installed blindly.

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:40 pm

use BOSS to sort out your load order, oblivion should be first

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:13 pm

Holy crap, lots of answers! okay. I'll try everything. Although what did you mean by an OBSE plug-in, or rather, how would I fix it?

» Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:33 am

Holy crap, lots of answers! okay. I'll try everything. Although what did you mean by an OBSE plug-in, or rather, how would I fix it?

What they meant was that OBSE itself pretty much never causes a game not to load, but an OBSE dependent mod might have a problem.

It gets confused because often people install OBSE at the same time as installing one or several OBSE dependent mods, and it is usually the mis-install of the mod that causes issues, not OBSE itself.

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:42 pm

What they meant was that OBSE itself pretty much never causes a game not to load, but an OBSE dependent mod might have a problem.

It gets confused because often people install OBSE at the same time as installing one or several OBSE dependent mods, and it is usually the mis-install of the mod that causes issues, not OBSE itself.

...and using the wrong version...

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:38 pm

Although what did you mean by an OBSE plug-in, or rather, how would I fix it?

Sometimes people refer to esp files as plugins. It's not really correct, especially when dealing with OBSE as it does in fact have some plugins you can add, but there you go. As for how you fix the one I pointed out, look at the readme that comes with the mod, it explains it there as I pointed out. Only use esp files that you actually have the mod for. You don't have 1 of the 3 mods that the esp deals with so there's no point in even having it there. Use the one that's specifically for Natural Weather, nothing else.

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:57 pm

Sometimes people refer to esp files as plugins. It's not really correct, especially when dealing with OBSE as it does in fact have some plugins you can add, but there you go. As for how you fix the one I pointed out, look at the readme that comes with the mod, it explains it there as I pointed out. Only use esp files that you actually have the mod for. You don't have 1 of the 3 mods that the esp deals with so there's no point in even having it there. Use the one that's specifically for Natural Weather, nothing else.

For the record, I was talking about OBSE plugins, i.e. .dll files in the OBSE/Plugins folder. Also, calling .esp files plugins is always correct, because that's what they are (.esp stands for Elder Scrolls Plugin). It does get confusing when in a context in which the .dll plugins could also work, as is the case here. Again, however, I did mean OBSE .dlls, not .esp files. For serious, though, BOSS says your fired unless you fix your load order.

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:00 pm

The fact that Oblivion.esm isn't loading first isn't helping things.

I stopped looking after Oblivion.esm showed up out of place.

What? Oblivion always loads Oblivion.esm first. Always. You can't get it to not load Oblivion.esm first (unless you don't load it at all). That load order is simply sorted by date, but in reality Oblivion will always load Oblivion.esm first. Period.

Sometimes people refer to esp files as plugins. It's not really correct

As ishmael said, yes, yes it is.

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:26 pm

Okay...so...about the update from the OP, with a new load order...and status...

» Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:33 am

Okay! Situation update! Currently I fixed my load order with BOSS (Hopefully

) and now am trying to fix the ctd on start up. I'm going through trial and error to fix it.
Load Order:

Spoiler

Oblivion.esm
MathFunctions.esm
Jog_X_Mod.esm
All Natural Base.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
TamrielTravellers.esm
Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
DA Run Fatigue.esm
Toaster Says Share v3.esm
HorseCombatMaster.esm
UnnecessaryViolence.esm
AlternativeOblivionMagicSystem.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
LoadingScreens.esp
Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
All Natural.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp
Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
BetterImperfectWater.esp
AmbientTownSounds.esp
Rainbows.esp
Damsels In Distress.esp
Extended Death Camera.esp
More Poisened Food!0.3.esp
Oblivion Collectible Cards.esp
Portable Campsite.esp
Living Economy.esp
Living Economy - Items.esp
Cutthroat Merchants.esp
Crowded Cities 15.esp
Crowded Roads 15.esp
Populated Prisons.esp
Immersive Travelers.esp
Choices and Consequences.esp
RenKnockOutArrow.esp
Thieves Arsenal.esp
TFF_Armor_Base.esp
TFF_Clothing_Base.esp
Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Si.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creature Skins.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
TamrielTravellers.esp
TamrielTravellers4MMM.esp
TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsUnscaled.esp
kuerteeWanderingEncounters.esp
T.I.E4MODS.esp
Amajor7 Imperial Furniture.esp
Ash's Odd Jobs.esp
BHC_Expanded.esp
Cheydinhal Petshop.esp
Extended Imperial City Version 1.0.esp
eyja.esp
goldenarrowarcheryshopfixedprices.esp
GlimmeringCastle.esp
Kragenir's Death Quest.esp
KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
M.O.E. - Tools of Kagrenac - The Secret of White Gold Tower.esp
MountainShack.esp
Pats Business Mod---Shop Version 2.0.esp
Ranokoas City Stealth Exits.esp
Servant of the Dawn.esp
SoT_TheOrderofNibenay.esp
thievery.esp
Treasure Maps_Boethia's Burden.esp
treasure maps captus demus.esp
Treasure Maps Meridias Womb.esp
Treasure_Maps_The_Legend_Of_Jauffres_Gold.esp
VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
za_bankmod.esp
Arena_BattlesV1.1.esp
Lynges Thieves Highway - OOO.esp
Knights.esp
mythsandlegends.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
PersonalPackGuars.esp
PersonalPackGuars White.esp
Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
ANB_No_FastTravel.esp
Assassin Tripwires.esp
CBScryingv1.esp
Compass-Disable_Both.esp
Drop Lit Torches Weight.esp
2nd to 1st person.esp
goblin_war_party.esp
Kyoma's Journal Mod.esp
M.O.E. - Lycanthropy and Lichcraft.esp
Cliff_RPO_NewBeginnings_RPC.esp
newstartV3.esp
RealisticFatigue.esp
DA Fatigued Running.esp
DA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.esp
DA Sprint.esp
RealisticHealth.esp
RealisticForceHigh.esp
RealisticMagicForceHigh.esp
RealSleepExtended.esp
SpreadingVampirism.esp
ConduitMagic.esp
SupremeMagicka.esp
SM_OOO.esp
SM_COBL.esp
SM_EnchantStaff.esp
SM_Scrolls.esp
bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp
MidasSpells.esp
ArcaneArchery.esp
SM Combat Hide.esp
StealthOverhaul.esp
No psychic guards harder v1.2.esp
RenGuardOverhaul.esp
RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp
Enhanced Grabbing.esp
Archery Rebalance.esp
Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp
DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
SM_DeadlyReflex.esp
Deadly Reflex Bow Sway.esp
Deadly Reflex - Breathing Motion & Head Bobbing.esp
Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp
immersive_caves_auto.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
AinmhiRace-RensBeautyPackFull.esp
_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp
TFF_Races_Base.esp
Beautiful People.esp
Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp
Cobl Races.esp
bgBalancingEVCore.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
bgMagicItemSigil.esp
bgMagicEVStartspells.esp
bgMagicBonus.esp
bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp
bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp
bgMagicAlchemy.esp
bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp
bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp
bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp
bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp
bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp
Cobl Races - Balanced.esp
KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
ReallyImmersiveMessages.esp
Syc_LongerNightsforVampires.esp
LifeDetect Shader HQ.esp
bgMagicEVShader.esp
bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
Get Wet.esp
BubbleFx.esp
Real Lava 1.3.esp
ScriptEffectSubduer.esp
qazFingerSnap.esp
UnnecessaryViolence.esp
Enhanced Grabbing - Unnecessary Violence Liaison.esp
Streamline 3.1.esp
Evantal's Dual Wielding.esp
300ClassesUVW.esp
Necromancer's Tower.esp
Dremora Mortal.esp
Improved Child Races.esp
Realism fix.esp
lustyargonianrequest.esp
Training Cave.esp
Enhanced Key Functionality.esp
Enhanced Key Functionality [Shivering Isles].esp
Staff of Chaos.esp
BringIt.esp
Vampire House.esp
NAVM GREETING fix.esp
FearsomeMagicka.esp
Horse_AI-2364.esp
AOMS + BASE.esp
AOMS + MIDAS.esp
AOMS + SUPREME.esp
AOMS + LAME.esp

» Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:01 am

Okay! Situation update! Currently I fixed my load order with BOSS (Hopefully

) and now am trying to fix the ctd on start up. I'm going through trial and error to fix it.

Or, y'know, you could read the log that BOSS created when reordering your mods for you. That will tell you most (maybe all) of what you need to know.

Please. Read. It.

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:27 pm

Oh... oh, my... you're using Natural Weather, AND the HDR version, AND All Natural... and that's just the start...

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:50 pm

I read everyone's post and am thankful for the help so far. And then I re-read them, and realize just HOW MUCH of a noob I am

*Sad Face*

~~Edit:Update on Mod List. also, I got OBSE to work! Yayz It WAS in the plug-ins folder! I just have to figure out which plug-in it it... :celebration: :celebration:~~
Edit my edit... OBSE still ctd's on startup...

Spoiler

Oblivion.esm
MathFunctions.esm
Jog_X_Mod.esm
All Natural Base.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
TamrielTravellers.esm
Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
DA Run Fatigue.esm
Toaster Says Share v3.esm
HorseCombatMaster.esm
UnnecessaryViolence.esm
AlternativeOblivionMagicSystem.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
LoadingScreens.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
All Natural.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp
Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
BetterImperfectWater.esp
AmbientTownSounds.esp
Rainbows.esp
Damsels In Distress.esp
Extended Death Camera.esp
More Poisened Food!0.3.esp
Oblivion Collectible Cards.esp
Portable Campsite.esp
Living Economy.esp
Living Economy - Items.esp
Cutthroat Merchants.esp
Crowded Cities 15.esp
Crowded Roads 15.esp
Populated Prisons.esp
Immersive Travelers.esp
Choices and Consequences.esp
AddMapMarkers.esp
RenKnockOutArrow.esp
Thieves Arsenal.esp
TFF_Armor_Base.esp
TFF_Clothing_Base.esp
Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Si.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creature Skins.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
TamrielTravellers.esp
TamrielTravellers4MMM.esp
TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp
kuerteeWanderingEncounters.esp
T.I.E4MODS.esp
Amajor7 Imperial Furniture.esp
Ash's Odd Jobs.esp
BHC_Expanded.esp
Cheydinhal Petshop.esp
Extended Imperial City Version 1.0.esp
eyja.esp
goldenarrowarcheryshopfixedprices.esp
GlimmeringCastle.esp
Kragenir's Death Quest.esp
KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
M.O.E. - Tools of Kagrenac - The Secret of White Gold Tower.esp
MountainShack.esp
Pats Business Mod---Shop Version 2.0.esp
Ranokoas City Stealth Exits.esp
Servant of the Dawn.esp
SoT_TheOrderofNibenay.esp
thievery.esp
Treasure Maps_Boethia's Burden.esp
treasure maps captus demus.esp
Treasure Maps Meridias Womb.esp
Treasure_Maps_The_Legend_Of_Jauffres_Gold.esp
VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
za_bankmod.esp
Arena_BattlesV1.1.esp
Lynges Thieves Highway - OOO.esp
Knights.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
mythsandlegends.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
JADDockTunnel.esp
PersonalPackGuars.esp
PersonalPackGuars White.esp
ANB_No_FastTravel.esp
Assassin Tripwires.esp
CBScryingv1.esp
Compass-Disable_Both.esp
Drop Lit Torches Weight.esp
2nd to 1st person.esp
goblin_war_party.esp
Kyoma's Journal Mod.esp
M.O.E. - Lycanthropy and Lichcraft.esp
Cliff_RPO_NewBeginnings_RPC.esp
RealisticFatigue.esp
DA Fatigued Running.esp
DA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.esp
DA Sprint.esp
RealisticHealth.esp
RealisticForceHigh.esp
RealisticMagicForceHigh.esp
RealSleepExtended.esp
SpreadingVampirism.esp
ConduitMagic.esp
SupremeMagicka.esp
SM_OOO.esp
SM_MMM.esp
SM_COBL.esp
SM_EnchantStaff.esp
SM_Scrolls.esp
bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp
MidasSpells.esp
ArcaneArchery.esp
SM Combat Hide.esp
StealthOverhaul.esp
No psychic guards harder v1.2.esp
RenGuardOverhaul.esp
RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp
Enhanced Grabbing.esp
Archery Rebalance.esp
Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp
DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
SM_DeadlyReflex.esp
Deadly Reflex Bow Sway.esp
Deadly Reflex - Breathing Motion & Head Bobbing.esp
Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp
immersive_caves_auto.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
AinmhiRace-RensBeautyPackFull.esp
CuteElf11.esp
_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp
TFF_Races_Base.esp
Beautiful People.esp
Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp
Cobl Races.esp
bgBalancingEVCore.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
bgMagicItemSigil.esp
bgMagicEVStartspells.esp
bgMagicBonus.esp
bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp
bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp
bgMagicAlchemy.esp
bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp
bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp
bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp
bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp
Cobl Races - Balanced.esp
KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
ReallyImmersiveMessages.esp
LifeDetect Shader HQ.esp
bgMagicEVShader.esp
bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
Get Wet.esp
BubbleFx.esp
QTdof.esp
Real Lava 1.3.esp
ScriptEffectSubduer.esp
qazFingerSnap.esp
UnnecessaryViolence.esp
Enhanced Grabbing - Unnecessary Violence Liaison.esp
Streamline 3.1.esp
Evantal's Dual Wielding.esp
300ClassesUVW.esp
Necromancer's Tower.esp
Your Personal Dungeon.esp
Dremora Mortal.esp
Improved Child Races.esp
Realism fix.esp
lustyargonianrequest.esp
Enhanced Key Functionality.esp
Staff of Chaos.esp
BringIt.esp
Vampire House.esp
seph dual wield.esp
FearsomeMagicka.esp
Horse_AI-2364.esp
AOMS + BASE.esp
AOMS + MIDAS.esp
AOMS + SUPREME.esp
AOMS + LAME.esp

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:11 pm

Done! It's fixed! No, not a mod conflict! Just an F'ing plugin called OBGEv2.dll that seems to F up my game!

THANK YOU EVERYONE!

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:26 pm

Done! It's fixed! No, not a mod conflict! Just an F'ing plugin called OBGEv2.dll that seems to F up my game!

THANK YOU EVERYONE!

Glad you got your game working again, but I'd watch the language when referring to OBGE. It's a brilliant piece of ongoing work, and, when used properly, it does not screw up your game.

gothemasticator

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:15 pm

I read everyone's post and am thankful for the help so far. And then I re-read them, and realize just HOW MUCH of a noob I am

*Sad Face*

Obviously you didn't read them well enough:

All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp

You don't use plugins that you don't even have the mods that they work with. You're just asking for problems.

» Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:16 pm

I'll only say it once more:

Please, read the BOSS log. It is probably called bosslog.txt, and is updated every time you run the program (BOSS, that is.) It can generally be found in the same directory that BOSS itself is in. And that is, generally speaking, "[...]\Oblivion\Data".

If you read through it, from top to bottom, you will learn a great deal about your mods, the order they are in, conflicts, redundant items, and so on. So please, do :read: .

And, if you feel so inclined, reading the documentation that almost invariably comes with mods themselves would save you *a lot* of this kind of bother in future. If not *all*, even. This is no exaggeration.