You can't always blame a developer because they do NOT have the final say on when the product is released, that is the publisher in this case BETHESDA.

Unless a developer is 100% independent they get deadlines from the publishers, (BETHESDA). The only logical conclusion for releasing in October and at this time is to avoid competing with Fable 3, World of Warcraft: Cataclysm, and Call of Duty: Black Ops.

Simply put Bethesda did not want to release when all those other games where coming out, so they chose to fire their product out to the retailers before it was done. Now they pay the consequences and people will think twice before buying another Fallout product again.

Hey me to, and his http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/jasonsteele/Game%20Stuff/ScreenShot7.jpg did not know what to do to help him and were frantic. /facetiousness

Why am I seeing 9 (1 behind me you can't see in the SS.) Deathclaws at level 2? Oh, did I mention they are damn near impossible to kill with the shotgun, rifle, laser pistol and pistol I have? This can not be right. :blink:

This is a default, patched game. No console play (Short of god mode to get away with my life to take the SS.) or mods.

See that's the thing. If gamers know Obsidian because of their buggy games.. it says something. KotOR, NWN, Alpha Protocol, and now FO:NV.

Unless I am missing something (which I am sure I am missing some of the story, I don't work for them) they could have hustled and really fixed a few of those bugs.. there is something lacking and they have had plenty of chances to fix things. I wonder if they just don't value testing and debugging. Where is the insight? One of the developers said in his blog letter something like "..realize that every tin can and bottle was placed by hand" Ok, good work. However, I would like to realize that the game was played through many times and tested thoroughly.

Re-quoted for emphasis.


OP, Make sure your diapee is clean before you create another stupefying thread. Clearly, it makes you crabby and disoriented.


P.S OH! And don't forget NWN 2 - Mask of the Betrayer 82% on metacritic. Another one of those FAILS that obsidian made :rolleyes: I'll take any of Obsidian's fails over most of the unimaginative crap that comes out nowadays.

It's not really buggier than Fallout 3 on my PC, other than the NPC slowdown which the community quickly fixed. It's also a brilliant game that surpasses Fallout 3 in many, many areas.

Funny thing is that I played all of those games (KotOR 2 twice, NWN2 twice + expansions, Alpha Protocol three times) and didn't find them to be buggy...I guess I'm just lucky. Really, though, when people talk about how buggy those games are I'm always like, :spotted owl:.

Anyway, did you read my post earlier in the thread? Could it be that Obsidian has a bad habit of taking on projects that are sequels made on extremely short development cycles for big publishers that won't allow the release date to slip to make sure bugs get fixed? I'm not trying to be smarmy, here. Could that be the case?

This game is so buggy it almost feels like playing Fallout 3 when it was first released and before all the patches that fixed the game of which we've already had one of before it's even released in some places of the world.

Yea.

Uh It might have been just me, but I'm playing the ps3 version and I've only crashed 3 times in a 16 hour playthrough, Sometimes, It'll pause and my character will stop in place, but It's usually only for a few seconds. If your playing the 360 version I heard there's some trick to make it less buggy, like clearing your memory cache, or something like that.

smartest/most logical thing i've heard on this forum about "bugs bugs and more bugs".....Kudos.

The bugs are mostly a result of the 2006 game engine.

Possum, take a deep breath, go take a good dump, have a smoke, or do whatever it is that you do to relax. It's a video game.

Has "Judas Ace" even made another post?

The game itself is great, its just the Bethesda/Gamebryo crap thats causing the issue. Same mouse acceleration issues as fallout 3 launch. Same Gamebryo engine bugs and graphics glitches.

seriously, there is not a current issue with the game that the engine has not delt with before.

dont be surprised if your starting a new game once the save game patch hits.

Gameinformer's rating of New Vegas was: 8.5. IGN's rating of New Vegas was: 8.5 (9.0 on the PC version). Probably the bad ratings because of the bugs and Gameinformer said this, "War...War never changes, and neither does Fallout". Fallout New Vegas did not change that much from Fallout 3 despite about 35 changes from Fallout 3, but the main problem is the bugs, weapons ascend on screen, lagness(spelling?), and crashing of the game, we can't do anything about it until the patches come out.

I don't know how an 8.5 or 9.0 is a bad rating. However, I agree with everything else.

When NWN2 was released it was more than crap multiplayer.

Well i hope they fix it. Its a great game.

Nah, esoteric stuff that only crops up occasionally or in rarely visited areas is one thing - auto/quick save issues, Steam sync problems and glaring NPC lag and graphical corruption with Nvidia cards should have been caught before it got out the door. I believe having a third party involved like Steam (whom I'm sure it catching a lot of flak regarding this game) will help keep Obsidian and Bethesda on their toes as far as issuing timely patches though. This isn't like Oblivion or FO3 where they could coast along for six months with nary a patch (and leave it to the modding community to clean up the mess).

It's been running like a dream for me since the new patch, saves work and no crashes.

I Think Bethesda are lot better than some other international big companies (i.e. EA and Blizzard).

Everything from mass big patches for WOW
to Starcraft 2 Killing Video Cards
to even Balance issues.

To FIFA Rubbish that doesn't get updated enough.(i.e. new features, better ai, better graphics).
To Need for Speed Rehashes, and destroying Westwood Studios.

etc

Really grow up people...

I was a bit ticked off just hearing of all the bugs in the Hardware threads; but then I realized I was ignorant to the fact that I could connect my 360 to the internet for free and DL patches. No paying, no extra equipment. Now I'm anxiously awaiting for it's delivery tomorrow and I can't wait to play it. I'm sure after the patches this game will be just as good as FO3. Heck, it might even takes it's place as my #1 game.

Thanks Obsidian! :tops:

Yes exactly. :foodndrink:

We've been gaming about the same amount of time then ~and yes you can credit them. You are talking about games that were often sitting at the bleeding edge of then current hardware. Look at Monolith's Blood... In an age where shooters ran @320x400/200 Blood had support for 800x600 (Nigh impossible at the time for most). Some of those games managed 16 color graphics on machines that were only designed to do 4 colors. Others managed simulated 3d landscapes on machines that had 4MB Ram and no 3D hardware support; using clock speeds slower than cold molasses (like 33MHz and below). Some didn't even have the then optional math co-processors. Bethesda actually made a game with a near 1:1 scale map of LA in their original Terminator. (said to have had 20,000 3d objects) ~for a 286!.

The fact that they run smoother (on a better virtual platform), is no different than FO3, Witcher or Crysis running smoother on a next generation PC with more RAM, better video card and faster processor). One must view accomplishments on a relative scale. Anyone can make a game now, using Flash or even FPS-Creator, but to do it then, and by creating the technology from scratch... Beth's Terminator was 30000+ lines of assembly code. You might as well discount Leonardo da Vinci's siege equipment and aircraft designs as ridiculously primitive ~but at the time they were not.

The fact is that those games still work, and still provide the exact measure of gameplay that they always did, and the ones that were good then still are; and are still as challenging. :shrug:

In time every game on the shelf will become outdated technologically, but will still provide the same experience that they always did. FO3 & NV are hailed as awesome games ~in ten years will their accomplishments fighting & shaping Gamebryo become somehow less than they are currently? Of course not.

not a single bug on my ps3, unlesss your count this one time an ant got stuck under the terrain, thats it in 30 hours ive only noticed 1 bug, and thats with no patches, and no help from the wikia telling you what bugs to avoid, because it isnt written yet. i dont know how it is on xbox, becase dont have one but i kind stopped unsing steam because its such a POS. forget console wars, just get. off. your. computer, and get it on console if its that bad/ :brokencomputer:

however i really doubt its that bad. atlast not on the consoles (thats a pleasent change for ps3ers especially)