Kotor 2: Unfinished Mess.

NWN 2: Crap multiplayer

Fallout NV: Buggy Nightmare.

NEXT!

cant blaim Obsidian for it being buggy. Just about any new game you buy is buggy and has to have atleast one patch to resolve issues.

Thing is I loved kotor 2 and I love fallout nv.. yes the bugs are begining to nip at my toes.. and take a few off even... but it will work out.

It's going to happen with a game this big though. They had.. how many hundred people working on it?

I'd urge on the side of cutting them some slack. Like FO3 - that's been out 3 years and there are still places I haven't been to. So unless they have an army of testers willing/able to play 100+ hours of it and check every nook and cranny on every type of system, there are bound to be one or two things that don't work right. To their credit they released an update patch the next day, and I'm sure there will be another in the next week.

(Unless it's a major bug like the not-autosaving, this is just too plain glaring to have gone un-noticed surely?)

I really liked KotOR2 ~I finished it. So far I really like FO:NV (aside from base gameplay). I was impressed with the character creation, and the visuals.

This game isn't a week old, so it goes without saying that there are and will be issues for weeks to come... but when its done, it will be one of the great ones.

FO3 was the first in the series to bother... I can do without it and not miss it.

(and given the history of corrupted auto-saves... I am glad about it. :shrug:)

Yeah. Flame Obsidian for what is mostly the faults of the engine. Out of all the glitches I've seen, about 70% are related to the limitations of the game engine. And the savegame problem is a problem with Steam, more than likely.

Seriously, there's no reason to be insulting the devs like this. They've put 2+ years of hard work and dedication trying to create a true Fallout game, and in my opinion they succeeded.

How would you like it if people constantly kept flaming and insulting you for all your hard work?

Also, I'm pretty sure insulting the devs doesn't get us any closer to getting a patch to fix said bugs...

This is Obsidian's most bug-free release ever, and most of the bugs are engine-related, so the fault would not lie with them, but the seriously sensitive Gamebryo adaptation courtesy of Bethesda. I would say that this is an improvement. And I don't see how they ruin franchises, when the Old Republic, Neverwinter Nights and Fallout series' are already or are likely to be continued no matter how hard Obsidian "failed".

(Heck, I should have stopped bothering about this thread with the first line which blames Obsidian for KotOR2 being unfinished... :meh:)

Bugs get fixed - There really isn't anything more to it.

kotor 2 might be one of the best games I ever played (yes we can all argue that the first was better thats how the world spins) but really compeared to many other games I got much more value from kotor and the first two fallout games.. but then again its a matter of personal taste.. I still see major bugs and glitches in sports simulators like fifa (its not like they change much tbh). the value of the game is limited im0 (fun) but limited.

Sure its no problem to make another medal of honor game where you follow a linear path, with super high gfx and nice details. (but remember all you do is going the same way there is no freedom) you go to spot a and kill some enemies then you get told to move to spot b (and there is only one way and you have to go) then you kill some more enemies... well I rather play pong then moh ^^ but that just me.. my argumentation being.. We have a free open world game if you wanna go to anywhere and shot at something or jump in the air whatever you are free to do that. with a open world there are bond to be alot of bugs glitches etc. but find me a modern game with a story and questline that can give you +50 hours on a playthroug (what is moh ? 5 hours ? thats pretty standard nowadays)


im0 I am very happy that Obsidian did this.. but before I can comment truely on the game I need it first (15 hours to go) when I have played it some I promise to return to the forum with impressions (so we get normal players too and not just ragers)

This. People got themselves way too hyped before the release so now everyone is overly dramatic about the bugs.

It'll get better.

Do not coddle Obsidian, this game has been purchased by hundreds if not thousands that cannot play it. They took our money, but thats fine? Hey it s all good bro? patches will be forthcoming bro? Sad damn people that support these thieves by siding with them.

Really sick (amused) seeing these threads stating this is the norm for game releases, its not. Your standards may svck and be low, mine are not. The gaming industry is like a bunch of damndable politicians, smiling, stabbing you in the back and taking your money, with no lost sleep over it, you will notice they still have normal business hours, sorry pieces of [censored].

They need to be fined, not praised and certainly not given support and attaboys like "gee, we cant wait for the next great patch". sad people supporting these thieves.

And for those that need to have their hands held this post is not angry just factual, do not read any of your own emotion into it, we all know what folks like to assume reading print that cant speak.

Actually the autosaves aren't missing per say they're just in an obscure location

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1122859-attention-saves-arent-missing/

Also, it seems possible that the problem may not even be with the game but steam itself (or at least that's what I've gathered from reading a few posts)

And OP they didn't ruin the franchise :rolleyes:

[sarcasm]Bethesda now owns the rights to the Fallout franchise so if anyone is going to ruin it then it's going to be them. If you're going to blame anyone blame Bethesda for letting Obsidian do the game[/sarcasm]

You played FO3? Then you know what NV would have been in the the first week of release.

Well nobody forced you to buy the game and play you had the choice to wait and hear others or wait for them to make a demo (because nobody bought) but like many others you are hyped and wanna play.. (just like me) personal I can't remember that many games that was without bugs or glitches but tbh.. I can only remember one crash in a game the last 10 years (oblivion) but the crash was due to a mod

Dude, the more you flame, the less problems will get fixed, and the more chance you'll be banned from these forums for flaming/insulting the devs.

Seriously. Step back from your computer/gaming console and calm down. It's just a game. No need to get so worked up.

You can't expect things to always come out and be exactly perfect. Hell, when Fallout 2 was first released, it had WAY MORE BUGS than New Vegas has now, and people weren't nearly complaining as much.

This is what I mean. Statements like 'OBSIDIAN ARE THIEVES!'. What's the point? You're just exaggerating. If they were thieves they'd run off without starting work on patches. The game hasn't even been released to the entire world yet.

You can't expect Obsidian with some small testing team can catch all issues at once, especially not with sandbox games like these. Many issues are probably related to the hundreds of different PC setups with different hardware and Operating System combinations that people are playing with, Obsidian can't test every conceivable PC setup before the release.

It's no surprise that some of these issues aren't going to be found until thousands people start playing the game.

Obviously most of the people posting on these forums are posting issues, which makes it look like almost everyone's game is unplayable. But the game also works fine for many people. They're not posting on the forums though, they're happily playing the game instead.



Yes what a clever scheme, Obsidian releases a buggy game on purpose to take all our money and is now laughing their way to the bank. :rolleyes:

Chill out and just wait for the damn patch. Nobody in his right mind expects a completely bug free first release for this kind of game. It could've been far worse.


Edit: Looks like they already released a tiny patch. A bit vague, but it's something.

It's Bethesda engine which has always been buggy patches will be needed like always

Obsidian did a great job on KOTOR II my favorite Star Wars Game thank you :mellow:
not sure what game you played never had major game breaking issues with it I played it on 360 to point out

Man these threads are annoying....Look at red dead redemption...one of the best game's out... when that was first released everyone was complaining on the forums about how many bugs the game had, and how [censored] it was..now everything in the game is fixed and fine now one of the best games out..now everyone is doing it to NV?? give it a break u little girls stop winging on here about it....u should of bought it when the patch came out

Two things to consider: Obsidian's strength doesn't lie in the technical aspect of their games, but in the writing and atmosphere. Secondly, they are working with an aging and imperfect engine, so bugs are to be expected. To purchase Obsidian's games is to be expecting their great strengths. Their weakness is something that isn't pleasing, but tolerable if they are given the opportunity to patch up afterwards. If you are so unhappy with the game's current state, simply wait for the GOTY edition: It will be tweaked, expanded, fixed, and you can mod it up on the PC. This would satisfy most people, I feel.

As for me, I will wait. Obsidian is pretty darn good, but I am a miser and a bit uncomfortable with the piecemeal nature of DLC. I really like having everything available in go.

Meh. There were people who were crying blood because they had to wait 2 hours to play. Before they could blot out their red tears, they are screaming because of some bugs.

I can't remember the last time a game came out and there WEREN'T issues. Calm down, relax, in 2 weeks, things will be better, and you can be complaining about mods and whatnot. If a game dominates your life that much, I really feel pity for you. If you don't want to get burned by a buggy product, wait a week after release to buy a game. You'll know of bugs, and there will probably be a patch out for the big things.

Relax and know that this game is ripe for expansion from DLCs and mods.

So far, I'm thoroughly impressed. I'd just assume go without Steam, but the game is running smoothly without any fuss. Also, that there's already a patch out is fantastic.

The game is awesome, Obsidian has made another fantastic RPG.
Thank you Obsidian! I enjoy this game way more then Fallout3!

Also a big huge LOL @ people talking trash abotu KOTOR2, that game was awesome.

I guess since I won't have the game until next week (free shipping from Amazon) I will probably be in better shape as far as bugs and patches are concerned.

I've taken the time to fire up Fallout 1 (bought at GOG.com) and I'll be having a good time until then!

Good things come to those who wait!

Its just lol but I wanna bet most of the flamers are angry kids that expected a high gfx linear game (maybe they should buy moh)


I have been playing Obsidian games for a long time (well counting in Black Isle here too since its almost the same)

My all time favoured game is Planescape torment and as I recall I actually didnt have any bugs glitches that I can remember off.... but that is the best rpg ever made.. in secound would baldurs gate come along with the fallout games... but looking at the list of what games they made we should know what we are in for. (true rpg) but now mixed with fps... this can't be any better...

So I would instead salute every member of the old Black isle team and Obsidian now.. let alone give Chris Avellone a handshake for the hard work...


Again as I see it the gaming industri is facing a difficult era (the new beat is great gfx with super visual and shoot at all game play in a linear way) thats what the majority wants sadly (I could make countless post about what games have changed to be dumbed down.. to name two would be Civ 5 and the new gothic...) Fallout fans should be really happy that fallout is fallout again... be happy they didnt change fallout to a 5-8 hour linear game with CryEngine where you just pop people and follow a ultimatate set path....


Thats just how I look at it..



As for the comment about steam (I for one really love steam) I remember when I played cs and we had to change to steam, back then I was a hater of steam (but I never tried it) because now I had to use steam to play my fps game with friends.... but in the end steam is one of the best things that have happend to the gaming industri.. I have most of my games on steam / I get good deals now and then (like the orange box) also all my friends use it and I can compeare myself in alot of games or see if they have it ... (so if a friend got lets say L4D I can see when he joins a game, I can invite him or get invited etc etc.. never had any problems with steam... I preloaded FNV with 2.8 mb/s (I guess thats nice tbh)

So sick of seeing people complain about every single thing. Like playing fallout 3 wasnt buggy or something. This is a A+ game in my book. I am happy i bought it.