AJ's review got it right

Obsidian only developed Fallout New Vegas and Bethesda published it, fallout 1 was done by interplay and fallout 2 was done by black isle studio, Bethesda bought the all the rights and trademarks from interplay, so obsidian cannot do another fallout game without Bethesda's approval.

I started with the originals when first released and think Bethesda is doing a great job. They've brought Fallout from a cult classic to a massive success. On there first day FO4 made 750 million dollors. The original Fallouts never did this. Now I love Obsidian and wish they get a chance to make a "spinoff", but BGS is doing a fine job.

I saw an interview with Feargus the other day. Made me really want to see a full on collaboration between Bethesda and Obsidian. Bethesda is great at created environments that are fun to explore but have sophmoric writing. Let Obsidian pick up the slack and they came create magic

Well, except for things like Super Mutants and FEV, which Tim Cain said he wished BGS left that stuff on the West and just created their own stuff.

Frankly, I kinda agree. They should have put much more originality into things, in FO 3 anyway.

I'm not near completion of FO 4, I like it, it is better than FO 3, but so far one thing I am severely disappointed with is a total lack of continuation of lore. Not yet have I heard one single thing of the LW, of course I'm not done so maybe I will get some, but for exploring a decent chunk of the game so far, not a thing. Which gives me a sinking feeling they handling the lore like they do in TES, which is garbage, as this is FO, not TES. One reason I like NV a lot more than 3 is the fact it has continuation of lore and you find out a good chunk of info on things from 1 and 2 and see how the factions have developed.

I agree also, doesn't mean the Fallout 3 we got didn't follow the series though.

The BoS make mention of The Enclave, Liberty Prime, Madison Li, the Capital Wasteland, and theres a terminal on the Prydwen that talks about what happened to Owyn and Sarah after Fallout 3, and how Arthur rose to power.

I've heard some people say they mention The Pitt also, but I haven't seen that myself.

Man, a collab between those two on a single Fallout game would be a match made in heaven. Too bad it'll probably never happen since they would likely suffer from philosophical disagreements on game design.

Probably...

But I was really impressed with the way Feargus came off in the interview. I think he considers the Bethesda interpretation of the series to be a better and truer take on the series than I do. Really insightful interview, really down to earth guy. I think he could probably make it work, assuming Beth didn't just adopt a "my way or the highway" attitude from the get go.

im right :/ Obsidian/Interplay would make a better fallout than Bethesda anyday

most of the underwhelmed reviewers agree

I would agree if they went back to the traditional Fallout genre, but as a 3D FPS RPG I think Obsidian would benefit from Bethesdas world building experience. I'd rather have them working together as equals, each focusing on their strong points and letting the other make up for their deficiencies.

Because Bethesda bought the rights. In the end the holders of the IP before Beth apparently didn't want to make another/liked the offer Beth proposed more than making another Fallout. Fallout is what it is now. And some can argue that it's for the better, but no one can deny that it's a quality game. You may not like what it's become, but millions of people would disagree. It's all about preference. Of you like the originals then play the originals.

with obsidian it can be much more? how so, bethesda makes huge worlds with tons of stuff to do, literaly hundreds of hours for a complete playthru, complex worlds with countless dungeons and areas to explore, the game worlds bethesda builds are unmatched by anyone, NV has like 1/100 the amount of stuff to do as a bethesda game does, NV may of had a nice story but 99% of the map was empty area, even the city area svcked bigtime, no thanks, anyone else doing a fallout game will be a big step backwards. correction, more like 10 steps backward

They also had a huge time limitation in their contract to make NV whereas Bethesda had all the time in the world.

That isn't very much lore, and as I have communicated to people in messages, because I don't want any spoilers, that still does not justify ZERO LW talk. Ya know, the person who actually did defeat the Enclave and who did take down AAFB and who was the savior. The mere presence of the BoS in FO 4 confirms that the LW was the hero good guy. Yet not a single mention. Not to mention I still think it is dumb as hell that Maxson is Elder, dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb and more dumb. I have yet to see this terminal, either. There is a door that is locked and I can't get into it, so I assume it is there, as I fairly confident I have read every computer on the ship. So I guess it behind mystery door that requires a key.

Where's this Feargus interview?

todd howard isn't following someone else's vision, i thought NV was a lousy game, i'll stick with fallout 4, i'm not interested in a "cowboy" version of fallout in the middle of the desert, no big cities to explore, NV was a barren map, it was a void non dynamic world with very very few areas of interest on the map, mostly shacks and empty areas, it has like 1/1000 the content of a bethesda game.

https://youtu.be/eW7heSZmCmU

About the 1:21:00 mark

PS

Alizarin, your bias is showing

why?

Because he is 20 years old. BoS has always promoted people based upon years of service, not cuz their name was "Maxson". I can think of two people off the top of my head who would have been Elder over him, namely Star Paladin Cross who most definitely had the years of service down. Then there is Sara Lyons, and who knows what other Paladins or Head Scribes. Even Rothschild would have been a candidate, or the Scribe at the Library.

Not a kid. With the Enclave taken care of by the LW and SM mostly as well, the CW is now a cake walk, and there doesn't seem like much opportunity for Maxson to get field experience, which even if he did get would have started when he was maybe 17.

You don't become a great general or war leader by reading books. You get it by actual field experience. It is a joke. It is like if you joined the military at 18 years old and in a year you got promoted to 4 star general. Dumb, ridiculous, absurd.

Not to mention in FO 4 alone they say promotion is based on experience, congrats on contradicting yourself game, with your boy king.

Combat experience is questionable. Elijah and McNamara were scribes. And I doubt that every scribe kicks ass equal to Veronica.

Capital Bos is a rebel faction, created before the codex, then Bethesda had to create they own rules.

But yes, makes sense what you said.

i kinda assumed he was a "fake ultimate hero". That others set him up to lead as a figure head due to the name maxson.

I was actually really impressed with fallout 4s story. The factions turning out to be hard to pick between was pretty sweet. Miles ahead of fallout 4, and weirdly comparable to new vegas. Its definitely a different flavor than what obsidian made, but its a good flavor imo. Heres hoping they get tes to have a good story next time around.

All Scribes, every BoS member, learns how to fight first thing when they are Initiates. After, they decide where they want to go. Elijah alone proves scribes are not pushovers when it comes to fighting, they actually have an advantage of being able to create weapons, like Elijah does, to assist in their fighting, and he is an old man, kicking butt. Regardless, it is time served, combat experience, leadership experience, just plain old experience, which no matter what, Maxson is going to lack in compared to any other senior BoS member.

CW BoS also wasn't created before the Codex, the Codex is supposedly written/created by Roger Maxson back sometime after 2077. We have never seen it, but we know it sure doesn't include any "a Maxson is automatically Elder", when John Maxson died, it wasn't his kids that became Elder, it was Rhombus.

Well I haven't completed the game, so I dunno. I trying to avoid spoilers as much as possible, but from what I have seen so far, most of the BoS in FO 4 are wastelanders who joined from the CW, and they shouldn't have nearly the connection to the name Maxson that the West Coast BoS would have. Most DC BoS, imo, probably don't even know who Roger or John Maxson even was, so why should they hold Arthur Maxson to any kind of high standard?

Wha, is this the correct link?

No...no it's not. Sorry.

That's an ad that played prior to the video I was trying to link to. Didn't realize it would actually link to the advertisemant. Probably only happened because I was using a mobile phone.

Here is the real link. 1:21 into the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hqYxXEdw8U