Obsidian should make another spin off before FO4

Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:35 pm

1) No, for you to truely understand what a Fallout game is you have to play a majority of them. I have played all of them.

Ok fair enough to that point.

2) I did say that but you were making NV out to be the one that was different when it was not.

The only way I said NV was different was in comparison to F3, I never said it was different to the original games though.

3) Not exactly. Most stories require the beginning to be important but in some cases, like NV, it doesn't even matter by the time the plot ends. If you ask anybody on these forums that really got into the game you would find that almost everybody didn't even care about Benny or his involvement in the game by the Second Battle for Hoover Dam.

Personally I found the start of F3 had a huge impact on me and I immediately felt immersed in the game. I didn't ever feel like that in NV.

4) Are you serious? I just explained to you it was Bethesda's unmovable demand, if they wanted to make a Fallout game it would have to be on the same engine as Fallout 3. Besides Obsidian has one of the worst negotiating teams I have ever heard of.

Yes I am serious I just find it strange that Obsidian would accept using 2008 graphics and still go ahead with a wide release game. Thats just my opinion.

5) Boone is one of the greatest characters in the entire game once you know all about his past and if you like having a sniper watching your back. Victor is far more creative and interesting than anybody in the Capital Wasteland. How about you list a dozen interesting characters from the CW.

I honestly found Boone to be a very boring character. Even with the back story. I'm not going to list F3 characters because I'm only going to get one kind of response from you. And thats pointless, we agree to disagree on that one.

6) Its not for the sake of it. A lot of the dialogue is referencing the originals or giving you very unclear hints in the game. Others are just for those who want to tally up every character in the game's opinion about the factions of NV.

I know you said you have the option to skip a lot of the extra dialogue but I just found that part of the game boring and uneccessary.

7) A game is made for if me if its enjoyable and has choices, Fallout 3 had choice and almost every game over on my shelf has choices in it. Choices make your mark on the game, what fun is it to just be railroaded? I liked how we got extreme choices n F3 like nuking Megaton, I liked looking at the town and thinking "I caused this."

For me choice isn't a vital part of my gameplaying experience. For me its more about the journey you go on and how enjoyable that is. Yes I do like choices in games but its not hugely important to me.

The fun part of the gameplay was things such as iron sights, different types of ammo, and the different fighting styles (the fighting styles was in F3 too but its still feels refreshed).

Iron sights for me wasn't all that big a deal, as I'm more of a VATS man and Iron sights is nothing new in gaming. I actually found the different ammo types annoying, when I'm shooting something I like things to be kept simple.

And the ending was great. I loved F3 but its ending was only decent. Until Broken Steel came around and just completely ruined it, basically making the last mission worthless. In NV you desided the rulers of a powerful region. Whatever you chose would affect all of the southwestern quarter of the US throughout all of history.

I thought F3 ending was more epic.

I do love Bethesda's open worlds, they are the best at it. :foodndrink:

8) I was that way when i first came on these forums, angry about how Fallout: New Vegas ended up, ignorant about the originals, and losing sleep because of Fallout 3.

Then I was convinced to try the originals and after putting several hours into them I came to respect NV for what it was and I eventually got into liking it even more than that.

I even still play the originals, if you can keep in mind they were made in the late 1990s and you can deal with the turn based fights I think you might actually enjoy them.


Nice change in tone at the end there. :) Unfortunately I only have a pretty bad laptop so I think it would be pointless trying the old Fallouts until I have a better laptop and that wont be anytime soon because I have cashflow problems :brokencomputer:
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:48 pm

Nice change in tone at the end there. :) Unfortunately I only have a pretty bad laptop so I think it would be pointless trying the old Fallouts until I have a better laptop and that wont be anytime soon because I have cashflow problems :brokencomputer:


If it can run more than one tab on the internet than it can run F1 and F2, they are very old and would run very easily.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:53 am

Nice change in tone at the end there. :) Unfortunately I only have a pretty bad laptop so I think it would be pointless trying the old Fallouts until I have a better laptop and that wont be anytime soon because I have cashflow problems :brokencomputer:

No they should work.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:07 pm

Tobar, Obsidian had no choice in the matter of the old graphics, they were HIRED to make this game, all those choices are Bethesda's, this has been said time and time again from people from both companies.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:54 pm

Jesus, are you guys still arguing? I think we all agreed that Fallout 3 at least helped in some way to ressurect the series(would prefer Troika to do it, but whatever).

@Tobar
So you finally admit it's only your opinion. Good job. I was wondering where those "examples of great Fallout 3 characters and writing" went during our last argument.

And who cares, New Vegas was still universally accepted as a superior Fallout game. Deal with it. :disguise:
Haters gonna hate, I am off to NV & Skyrim. :flamethrower:
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:20 am

Thats the only difference in writing in the two games, more dialogue. So whats great about extra dialogue for the sake of it?

It's interesting for those that want to read it. Gives background info about the characters, their faction, their motives, a few throwbacks and references, and canonizes what happened back in California in Fallout 2. It's called lore and is interesting for those interested in it. I've heard that there were loads of books full of lore in Oblivion that you could read if you wanted, right? Also, this stuff gives characters dimensions. They feel more like persons if you actually know anything about them. I missed that in Fallout 3, didn't care the first playthrough, but I got sad at the lack of depth with most of the wasteland inhabitants and factions. With Moira Brown, for example, I'd like to have learnt why she is like she is, if she maybe had some problems with her father, if she's mentally unstable (clearly) and that you could help her with that. It's like most characters in Fallout 3 are half-finished books, lot of blank pages that I'd loved for to have been filled. Same with factions, like the Super Mutants and minor ones like Talon Company and the Regulators. Even Reilly's Rangers. There could have been so much less stereotyping with all the characters and factions!
I'm not saying that this wasn't present in New Vegas either, the Caesar's Legion could have been made much better, they were kind of stereotyped into evil guys even if they got all that "stable society and complete safety within the borders" behind them, it's hard to get over their slavery, sixism and homophobia. I'm all for a faction being brutal for the greater good, but their greater good just shows too little.

To answer your question - Yes. For the sake of it.

Why does your sig say your a dinosaur if your not?

As the others have said - if you've played the old games, love them, think they are "the most Falloutish" and would like Fallout to stay Fallout, then you're a "dinosaur". A term coined by our "critics", those that call us "Fallout 3 bashers and Bethesda haters", so I guess we just took the name from that. I hate neither Fallout 3 nor Bethesda. I haven't played a single TES game so I can only "bash" Bethesda for their faults in Fallout 3, I guess TES is great (but fantasy isn't really my thing). Like Styles say all the time - Fallout 3 is a good game, I've played hundreds of hours of it, but what it is not, is a good Fallout game. Loads of things were changed, loads of things didn't make sense, loads of things weren't explained (something I guess Tobar is happy with since he doesn't like "unneccessary dialogue"), loads of things shouldm't even be there and loads of things didn't feel like it fit Fallout. If I look past that, it's an awesome post-apocalyptic freeroam shooter.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:48 pm

Just like to throw my 2 cents in:
I don't "hate" Bethesda or Fallout 3.

Bethesda had just purchased the Fallout license and was gonna make a quality mainstream game, of course they had to go with a sure deal in order to gain profit, after all, it is a business.
So I understand the reasoning behind it, why it turned out so Oblivion as it did, I'm saddened that it did and that Bethesda didn't take more risks but I understand it.

Is Fallout 3 a good game?
Definitely, it's a fantastic game.
Is it a good RPG?
No, it is not, it does not have enough dialogue, quests, choices, consequences, characters, freedom or character definition to be a good RPG. It's not a worthless RPG either, I'd say mediocre at best.

Now, is it a good Fallout game?
Absolutely not, as evidenced by lack of RPG mechanics and them not being able to follow the lore correctly.

I don't hate Fallout 3, I played 800+ hours in it, but I hate it as a Fallout game, I loathe it as a Fallout game, it's an example of how "not to do it" for me.
But that hate isn't irrational or biased hate either, it's a hate born out of criticism, I don't just bash Fallout 3 for the sake of bashing Fallout 3.
I criticize it very harshly.

Now, do I hate Bethesda?
Nope.
Don't see why I would.
They make great games and I understand their reasons behind Fallout 3's development.
I just don't trust them.
Then again, I don't trust any developer.
Not even Obsidian. (Ahem, where are the Dark Brotherhood'esque questline for Vulpes? Why is the Legion such a dark shade of gray that they are seen as pitch black by some despite you announcing that in New Vegas no faction would be black or white? Why did Legion get shafted? Why did you have to screw up The Hanged Man? Couldn't you just have had The Hanged Man as one character and had someone else play the role of Joshua Graham?)


So I criticize Fallout 3 and Bethesda though I do it very harshly.
But I don't "hate" Bethesda or Fallout 3 completely.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:00 pm

[quote name='Smert' timestamp='1321352988' post='19244762']
Jesus, are you guys still arguing? I think we all agreed that Fallout 3 at least helped in some way to ressurect the series(would prefer Troika to do it, but whatever).

@Tobar
So you finally admit it's only your opinion. Good job. I was wondering where those "examples of great Fallout 3 characters and writing" went during our last argument.

As oppossed to your opinion which is of course fact! :bonk: Great writing, the story of your Dad escaping the vault and you then have to go find him. It hooked me in unlike the shoot in the head story :whistling:

Great characters in Fallout 3 ok here goes.

Three Dog
Dukov
Colin Moriarty
Moira Brown
Billy Creel
Andy Stahl
Jericho
Walter
Eulogy Jones
Forty
Ymir


Do I need to continue? Because I can keep going all day if you want me to, naming great Fallout 3 characters.

And who cares, New Vegas was still universally accepted as a superior Fallout game. Deal with it. :disguise:
Haters gonna hate, I am off to NV & Skyrim. :flamethrower:

NV Universally accepted as a superior game where? This forum, there is only a minority of the total number of people who've played Fallout 3 and NV on these forums.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:13 am

[quote name='Sebor13' timestamp='1321326258' post='19239343']
If it can run more than one tab on the internet than it can run F1 and F2, they are very old and would run very easily.

Do they take up much space on your computer? Do they have to be downloaded or do they come in a disc format? Also not to be a killjoy but I'm not a big fan of playing computer games on the pc, I just can't take to it. And other than the mods I don't really see any appeal to playing games that way.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:37 pm

If it can run more than one tab on the internet than it can run F1 and F2, they are very old and would run very easily.

Do they take up much space on your computer? Do they have to be downloaded or do they come in a disc format? Also not to be a killjoy but I'm not a big fan of playing computer games on the pc, I just can't take to it. And other than the mods I don't really see any appeal to playing games that way.


I think Fallout 1 and 2 combined is around 2-3 GB. You can find physical copies for sale around still... because my local Walmart has 1,2, and Tactics bundle on the shelf still.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:21 am

From Wikipedia, the system requirements for Fallout 1

System requirements

All
10+ MB free space, mouse[2]
DOS
Pentium 90 MHz, 32 MB RAM, 2x CD-ROM, SVGA, SoundBlaster-compatible sound card.
Win
Pentium 90 MHz, 16 MB RAM, DirectX 3.0a or 5.0, 2x CD-ROM, SVGA, DirectSound-compatible sound card.
Mac
PowerMac, 16 MB RAM, CD-ROM, System 7.1.2.


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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:37 pm

From Wikipedia, the system requirements for Fallout 1


If you install them to the hard drive F1 is around 800 MB and F2 is around 2.3 GB.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:47 pm

Three Dog
Dukov
Colin Moriarty
Moira Brown
Billy Creel
Andy Stahl
Jericho
Walter
Eulogy Jones
Forty
Ymir

Ymir IIRC had like two or three lines.
Forty... I can't remember Forty.
Eulogy Jones wasn't that interesting, he felt very bland.
Walter? That water purifier mechanic?
Jericho was basically just the typical tough guy ex-raider.
Andy Stahl was... Nothing... Apart from a terminal entry and some few lines about him he isn't very interesting at all.
Can't remember Billy.
Moira had personality, she had character.
Colin Moriarty, sleazy, greedy, bigot bar owner, hardly original, and his accent does him no favor.
Dukov makes no sense to me.
Three Dog, yeah he had character, but I personally saw him as an incredibly boring character.

None of these apart from Three Dog and Moira really "pop".
Eulogy, Jericho and Colin are okay but hardly interesting enough.
The rest are just bland or had a chance of being good characters but ultimately failed to be so. (Ymir and Dukov could have been nice interesting characters but they were reduced to a one liner and a fortehlulz respectively)

Now New Vegas on the other hand.

Caesar
Aurelius Of Phoenix
Col Moore
Col Hsu
Dead Sea
Anthony
Vulpes Inculta
Legate Lanius
Ghost
Rose Of Sharon Cassidy
Sunny Smiles
Tabitha
Marcus
Keene
Davidson and Antler
Benny
Mr House
Yes Man
Legate Graham
Follows-Chalk
Dr 0
Dr Mobius
Dr Klein
Dr Dala
Dr Orubouros
Ulysses
Chief Hanlon
Mortimer
Michael Angelo
Veronica
Boone
Raul
Beatrix Russel
Keely
Jessup
Chance
Dog
God
Elijah
Christine
Loyal
Jason Bright
Julia Farkas
Arcade Gannon
Lily
The King
No-Bark Noonan
Lucius
Ricky
Salts-Upon-Wounds


And many many many more.
All of these had character, be it very unique or more down to earth.

Fallout 3? Sure it had some, but not to the extent that New Vegas had, even the uninteresting ones were fleshed out to give them character.
In Fallout 3 there were a lot of characters that were just one liners and very few had distinct personalities.


... What were we talking about now again?
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:11 am

[b]Great characters in Fallout 3 ok here goes.

Three Dog-
*Dukov-
Colin Moriarty-
Moira Brown-
Billy Creel-
Andy Stahl
*Jericho-
Walter
*Eulogy Jones-
Forty
*Ymir-


Out of all of those characters I put a * next to all of the ones I liked and found memorable, which is only four.

And then I put a dash next to all I found memorable.

Ones that would've been better to add:
Desmond Lockheart
Ashur
General Chase
Allstair Tenpenny
Mr. Burke
Harkness
Elder Lyons
Colonel Autumn
President John Henry Eden
Braun
Werhner
Professor Calvert

If it can run more than one tab on the internet than it can run F1 and F2, they are very old and would run very easily.


Do they take up much space on your computer? Do they have to be downloaded or do they come in a disc format? Also not to be a killjoy but I'm not a big fan of playing computer games on the pc, I just can't take to it. And other than the mods I don't really see any appeal to playing games that way.


A very small amount, I downloaded Steam to get them and Steam took up way more space than either of the games.

Now New Vegas on the other hand.

*Caesar-
*Aurelius Of Phoenix-
Col Moore-
*Col Hsu-
*Dead Sea-
Anthony-
*Vulpes Inculta-
*Legate Lanius-
Ghost-
*Rose Of Sharon Cassidy-
Sunny Smiles-
*Tabitha-
*Marcus-
*Keene-
*Davidson and Antler-
*Benny-
*Mr House-
*Yes Man-
*Legate Graham (he's not a Legate anymore)-
*Follows-Chalk-
*Dr 0-
*Dr Mobius-
*Dr Klein-
*Dr Dala-
*Dr Orubouros-
*Ulysses-
Chief Hanlon-
*Mortimer-
Michael Angelo-
*Veronica-
*Boone-
*Raul-
Beatrix Russel-
Keely (I honestly don't remember him)
*Jessup-
*Chance (even though he's dead)-
*Dog-
*God-
*Elijah-
*Christine-
Loyal-
*Jason Bright-
*Julia Farkas-
*Arcade Gannon-
*Lily-
*The King-
*No-Bark Noonan (he's so hilarious!)-
*Lucius-
*Ricky (I despice him but he still is interesting)-
*Salts-Upon-Wounds-


I did the same thing here and look at the difference, forty-one I liked and all except Keely I remembered. Thirty-seven more than F3 were liked and thirty-three more were remembered.

... What were we talking about now again?


I forget actually...
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:44 am


I forget actually...


Something to do with cake I think :shrug:
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:01 pm

Something to do with cake I think :shrug:


Yeah, plain or icecream cake... No wait, that was about my friend's birthday at lunch.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:48 pm

Yeah, plain or icecream cake... No wait, that was about my friend's birthday at lunch.

Is there an alternative? Like carrots? I get bad mojo in my tummy from cake.

Oh and as for the comments you left:
Graham: I don't wanna call him Joshua Graham anymore, he's not Joshua Graham, he's not The Hanged Man, I refuse to go by that name, he is Legate Graham for me.

Sunny: I agree about the voice actor but she had an interesting down to earth personality, like that dude that runs Mojave Outpost, he's not the most interesting character but those little characterizations makes him memorable for me. Though I barely ever play for NCR so I don't remember many NCR members names.

And you didn't think Michael Angelo, Anthony, Beatrix Russel and Hanlon were interesting?
I only talked to Michael Angelo for a very very very very brief moment but I can't get him out of my head.
And Anthony, despite some thinks he's annoying he does have character, maybe a bit on the lunatic side but he has character.
And Beatrix Russel, she was awesome, can't believe you didn't find her interesting.
And Hanlon, he has so much story going on around him, again, can't believe you don't find him or Beatrix interesting. :confused:
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:47 pm

Is there an alternative? Like carrots? I get bad mojo in my tummy from cake.

Oh and as for the comments you left:
Graham: I don't wanna call him Joshua Graham anymore, he's not Joshua Graham, he's not The Hanged Man, I refuse to go by that name, he is Legate Graham for me.

Sunny: I agree about the voice actor but she had an interesting down to earth personality, like that dude that runs Mojave Outpost, he's not the most interesting character but those little characterizations makes him memorable for me. Though I barely ever play for NCR so I don't remember many NCR members names.

And you didn't think Michael Angelo, Anthony, Beatrix Russel and Hanlon were interesting?
I only talked to Michael Angelo for a very very very very brief moment but I can't get him out of my head.
And Anthony, despite some thinks he's annoying he does have character, maybe a bit on the lunatic side but he has character.
And Beatrix Russel, she was awesome, can't believe you didn't find her interesting.
And Hanlon, he has so much story going on around him, again, can't believe you don't find him or Beatrix interesting. :confused:


I guess that makes sense with Graham...

The others were memorable, I kind of picked people I found memorable and liked from that list :shrug: . I guess I'll go fix that.
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:39 pm

I think Tobar just picked very bad examples of characters from Fallout 3, but I don't know why he did that. I mean, Ymir, really? Walter? And DUKOV, ffs?
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Three Dog
Dukov
Colin Moriarty
Moira Brown
Billy Creel
Andy Stahl
Jericho
Walter
Eulogy Jones
Forty
Ymir

...... :unsure2:

You pick the bottom of the most bland, exaggerated, washed up and cardboard F3 characters, most of them who even have less than 3 lines of dialogue(freaking WALTER? And who the heck is Forty? :laugh: ) and yet forget to add some actually decent personalities such as Burke, Autumn or Ashur?
Good grief, this is still your opinion, but I am damn glad I was not born with a bad taste.

But whatever floats your boat, my friend.

NV Universally accepted as a superior game where? This forum, there is only a minority of the total number of people who've played Fallout 3 and NV on these forums.

This forum, NMA, RPGCodex, Bioware forums, most major and minor reviews, PC Magazines. Just do a Google search if you want. However, seeing how you are in a bitter denial I don't see that helping. At all.

I think Tobar just picked very bad examples of characters from Fallout 3, but I don't know why he did that. I mean, Ymir, really? Walter? And DUKOV, ffs?

Indeed. I am suspecting of getting trolled actually. :blink:
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:59 pm

What would be a good idea IMO, is if they started regularly working with obsidian to do games in this cycle:
Beth makes skyrim, Obsidian- non-numbered game in same series
Beth makes FO4, obsidian makes spin-off
Repeat with a year of 4-5+ DLC releases in between each release per game to keep the open world goodness going. Unfortunately I can't really see beth letting someone make an TES game, esp since if I'm not mistaken they have never had an TES spin-off, plus the locations are a LOT more limited than fallout, which is a much more open and pliable game. IMO, TES has far more strict mythos and guidelines, where as all FO really needs is the 50's inspired stuff, its basic mythos, and pop culture references out the ass (something obsidian missed for the most part at least in the main game, all because one of the higher ups (forget who. mat something maybe) thinks references ruin immersion. Idiot, references are part of what make fallout fallout). You can go anywhere in the world, and lots of things already present in the series lack depth and can be easily added to (for example, its possible that vaults were built in other countries, by vault tech or even other companies. Also, going to another country such as the UK would DRASTICALLY open up the possibilities considering most of the fallout mythos is specific to the US).
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:30 pm

Ymir IIRC had like two or three lines.
Forty... I can't remember Forty.
Eulogy Jones wasn't that interesting, he felt very bland.
Walter? That water purifier mechanic?
Jericho was basically just the typical tough guy ex-raider.
Andy Stahl was... Nothing... Apart from a terminal entry and some few lines about him he isn't very interesting at all.
Can't remember Billy.
Moira had personality, she had character.
Colin Moriarty, sleazy, greedy, bigot bar owner, hardly original, and his accent does him no favor.
Dukov makes no sense to me.
Three Dog, yeah he had character, but I personally saw him as an incredibly boring character.

None of these apart from Three Dog and Moira really "pop".
Eulogy, Jericho and Colin are okay but hardly interesting enough.
The rest are just bland or had a chance of being good characters but ultimately failed to be so. (Ymir and Dukov could have been nice interesting characters but they were reduced to a one liner and a fortehlulz respectively)

Now New Vegas on the other hand.

Caesar
Aurelius Of Phoenix
Col Moore
Col Hsu
Dead Sea
Anthony
Vulpes Inculta
Legate Lanius
Ghost
Rose Of Sharon Cassidy
Sunny Smiles
Tabitha
Marcus
Keene
Davidson and Antler
Benny
Mr House
Yes Man
Legate Graham
Follows-Chalk
Dr 0
Dr Mobius
Dr Klein
Dr Dala
Dr Orubouros
Ulysses
Chief Hanlon
Mortimer
Michael Angelo
Veronica
Boone
Raul
Beatrix Russel
Keely
Jessup
Chance
Dog
God
Elijah
Christine
Loyal
Jason Bright
Julia Farkas
Arcade Gannon
Lily
The King
No-Bark Noonan
Lucius
Ricky
Salts-Upon-Wounds


And many many many more.
All of these had character, be it very unique or more down to earth.

Fallout 3? Sure it had some, but not to the extent that New Vegas had, even the uninteresting ones were fleshed out to give them character.
In Fallout 3 there were a lot of characters that were just one liners and very few had distinct personalities.


... What were we talking about now again?


I completely disagree with every single thing you said. :rofl:
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:31 am

I think Tobar just picked very bad examples of characters from Fallout 3, but I don't know why he did that. I mean, Ymir, really? Walter? And DUKOV, ffs?



Dukov really? Whats bad about him in YOUR OPINION?
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:14 am

:rofl: :rofl:
...... :unsure2:

You pick the bottom of the most bland, exaggerated, washed up and cardboard F3 characters, most of them who even have less than 3 lines of dialogue(freaking WALTER? And who the heck is Forty? :laugh: ) and yet forget to add some actually decent personalities such as Burke, Autumn or Ashur?
Good grief, this is still your opinion, but I am damn glad I was not born with a bad taste.

But whatever floats your boat, my friend.


This forum, NMA, RPGCodex, Bioware forums, most major and minor reviews, PC Magazines. Just do a Google search if you want. However, seeing how you are in a bitter denial I don't see that helping. At all.


Indeed. I am suspecting of getting trolled actually. :blink:


Talking about New Vegas bland characters again are we? Your opinion is shocking :shocking: Review scores
Ok IGN Fallout 3 overall score 9.6 New Vegas scored 8.5 Eurogamer Fallout 3 scored 10/10 New Vegas 9/10 Gamespot Fallout 3 scored 9/10 New Vegas scored 7.5/10 this is hilarious :rofl: Lets continue this is fun 1UP.com Fallout 3 scored A and New Vegas scored you guessed it B :rofl: This is how I picture you at this point :cold: :cry: Edge Fallout 3 scored 7/10 New Vegas scored 6/10 Official Xbox Magazine Fallout 3 scored 10/10 New Vegas scored 9.5/10

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james tait
 
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Post » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:06 pm

So Tobar, you base everything on the lastest graphics and what people who are paid for their opinions.. to decide what is good? That's pretty sad IMO.

Review means crap all. "This game got a 9 and that game only got a 7.5 so therefore that games is the worst piece of crap!" its sad people think that way, it really is.

Problem with reviews. They are often done by people that don't know crap all about the game series. The focus is on graphics and things that go boom! "Oh it has the same graphics as Fallout 3, therefore its crap!"

When New Vegas was just about to come out 9 out of 10 review thought Fallout New Vegas was an expansion to Fallout 3 and they asked dumb questions like "are we going to get to battle more aliens?!" Most of the people knew crap all about Fallout 3 and very few even talked about Fallout or Fallout 2.

Very painful to watch interviews where people kept saying "this is Chirs Avellone, he works for Bethesda." :banghead:

Those are the people that write those BS reviews. People that can't forum opinions of their own and if they do its based on one minor thing.. again is just sad.


End of little rant.
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