bethesda owns the fallout franchise, obsidian has some people who worked on the early fallout games but that has NOTHING to do with the fact that bethesda owns the fallout franchise, you need to get a clue....obsidian doesn't own the fallout franchise, and just cause some of the people who made new vegas worked on the early fallout games doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the fact that bethesda owns the franchise and will be making future fallout games, on the other hand obsidian might not ever make another fallout game unless bethesda decides that, so you're mixed up bigtime....chris avellon isn't in charge of the Bethesda, he's part of obsidian entertainment, Bethesda has two franchises they OWN and DEVELOP..not just elder scrolls, you are VERY misinformed if you think chris avellon and obsidian owns the fallout franchise... you have no idea what you're talking about, its funny as hell cause i would love to see you telling Pete Hines (vice president of Bethesda) and Todd Howard (executive director for Bethsda) that they only own the Elder Scrolls and not Fallout....ROFL you're totally clueless. Bethesda is a huge game company, obsdian is small time compared to bethesda and generally makes mediocre games, those are the facts.

We all know full well that Bethesda owns the Fallout franchise now(Fallout 3), he was saying that a few of the people who created the Fallout franchise before(Fallout 1 and 2) work for Obsidian. He did not say anywhere that Obsidian owned the Fallout franchise, though that is something I would love to see.

Welcome to the forums.

Pete is VP of PR & Marketing.

Oh and have a Fishy Stick.

obsidian makes mediocre games, they don't have massive success like bethesda does with their games, you can talk smack all day long about how ratings and games sales don't mean anything...ROFL...whatever,all bethesda games are rated at 9 or 10 and pack forums with people...sorry but obsdian games don't have mass appeal and they just svck usually, most of their games are rated at like 6 or 7 max....no bethesda games are rated that low ever...every single one is 9 or 10 , this clique here on this new vegas forum is in DENIAL and you think obsdian is the great and they aren't that great..and they'll never be able to top bethesda...and next year when FO4 comes out and it sells 25 millions copies like skyrim is gonna do....its gonna be pretty funny and you obsidian fans will have southpark rpg to play HAHAHAHA...that right there should tell you something ROFL.

obsidian will be lucky if they ever get to make a fallout game again....new vegas wasn't a huge success, most of the people who bought didn't play it very long, a month or two max.....the proce even dropped to like 20 dollars less than 2 months after it came out...ROFL it was an ok game but it wasn't comparable to any any bethesda game and they had to almost give the game away in order to save face on game sales...so thats the real deal...this new vegas forum never had a lot of people on it...even weeks after the game came out is wasn't that busy compared to any bethesda game forum...so their games svck, not one of em has been a huge success....new vegas was somewhat of a success. but they kinda got a free ride becasse everyone who play and liked FO3 bought it...but i was on this forum when thread after thread was about how boring it is.. the game is so stupidly boring, you all have to make up threads and imagine the game is different by pretending its better than it is...ROFL.. what a joke.

Seems like you are gettin quite emotive over the fact that people here prefer NV over F3.

.... are you somehow related to this Alexander guy?

He should look at your signature.

I am just grasping at straws here. Guy joins today, and first 3 messages are bashing the hell out of one certain dev. But could be the paranoic ol' me *shrugs*

Also, I have it in my signature because I find it funny. Feel free making conclusions, assumptions or presumptions about it if you want

It still works great with what he is saying, games that sell a lot are good.

I don't know about that. It's highly subjective though.

NHL series that is nothing more but the same game every 3 years with different jerseys and rosters sell a lot.
Call of Duty series which is the same game with a different plot every year, priced at 59 euros also sell a lot.

It seems many here fall into two factions: One comprised of old school fans who consider the notion that Fallout 3 could possibly be considered superior to be blasphemy only propagated by masses of philistine neophyte bone heads, the other Fallout 3 [censored] and trolls who won't give credit for the aspects Obsidian improved upon, or just enjoy getting a rise out of people.

Of course not everyone falls into either (not nearly), but I'm not sure one is better than the other.

Wow, fanboys is a censored word here?

Hell, I don't mind Fallout 3. You can't play a game you supposedly "hate" for like 1,5 years straight, amirite?

I just... don't know... want to see the best of both worlds in the future titles.

I agree with this and I think most people do as well.

It's just amazing how adversarial people get about this issue.

Well most of the arguments here go like this:

Person 1: Well, I liked the writing and gameplay in NV, but didn't like the exploration. Would like to see Obsidian involved in future stuff

Person 2: Yah, I liked NV better than F3

Person 3: [censored] YOU, BETHESDA SOLD MORE THEY OWN THE FRANCHISE, WHATEVER THEY TOUCH IS GOLD <-- bomb goes off

[discussion erupts about pros and cons of either game which is usually ended by a mod who locks the thread and gives everyone involved a WB ]

It works both ways mind you. Some of the Dinos are... tad too much passionate about Fallout 3, if you catch my drift.

That is what he (losangeles101) is saying, not me. And your signature is a comparison with games selling alot. Do you understand now.

Sorry, I fail at english reading comprehension again.

*goes back to the corner with a Dunce hat on*

It still amazes me that he(losangeles101) felt that he needed to make an account just to bash Obsidian on this one thread.

I like how you think your one tiny opinion is fact accepted by everyone.

Get over yourself.

and as far as I'm aware New Vegas has a 84 Metecrtic rating, and the user rating on metacritic is higher then Fallout 3's, and New Vegas sold more.

And guess what, you can't even compare Obsidian to Bethesda because Bethesda doesn't make RPG's.

When I see posts like this, I just try and stay objective. It is opinion yes, but you can approach opinions objectively.

For instance he's just screaming "Obsidian r noob, Bethesda r00lz," but wtf explain WHY they rule. I mean I can easily pose the question "are you saying FO3 and Skyrim have better storylines and are better written than New Vegas" and I can easily make arguments as to why I don't see either being better written than Vegas. And yeah, I don't get it personally but there IS a Bethesda fanbase that just likes to dungeon-dive. Not my thing, but apparently popular, cause people are playing Skyrim. I myself prefer a good storyline and thus I'm still in the New Vegas camp. Look: a discussion with differing opinions without all the hate. How rare.

Hahahaha, I just read that LosAngelas kids post.
All I could think of was a greasy 15yrold kid who can't stop drooling over Skyrim.
I love BGS fan-boys, it's funny how mad they get over nothing.

Obsidian is mediocre... Blah blah blah.... I would totally play skyrim even if it was just a box with no game inside.
Go play NWN, then tell me their "mediocre". Nub

Nitpick, but no, it didn't. It sold at a higher pace initially, but I haven't found anywhere that puts NV within 1 million of FO3 in total sales (usually somewhere in the vicinity of 7/7.5 to 5.75/6 in favor of FO3). I know FO3 has been out longer and NV might bridge the gap at some point, but people need to stop saying this like it's an immutable truth.

And if you average the Metacritic user scores for all three platforms, you get about 7.67 for F:NV and 8.0 for FO3. Even if you adjust the PS3 score because if its technical issues (either by omitting the PS3 score or scoring it the same as the PC/360 versions), Fallout 3 still beats New Vegas out on user score by a tenth of a point.

I'm not trying to champion one over the other (I actually don't have a strong preference one way or the other) but if we're going to use facts, let's use the facts.

i agree 100%, in terms of overall popularity, determined by sales and game ratings including player and critic ratings, FO3 does have the clear edge. and the truth is fallout new vegas hasn't sold that well considering how many people purchased it because of the popularity of FO3, less than 2 months after new vegas came out, it was selling for 20 dollars, i think most people were dissapointed with a lack of things to do in the game and the boring desert landscape, which really needed a lot more development time and is incomplete, i think it was just easier for them to set up campgrounds and tents and call those outposts than actually design a more artistic location...in FO3 all the locations were unique, in new vegas most of the locations are shacks or tents, or just some small cave, that really reflects obsidians weakness in designing a viable gameworld, even the strip is poorly designed, well maybe obsidian will learn from bethesda how to make a real gameworld instead of just using tents and small shacks, its pretty obvious why the last 4 of obsidians games have these ratings.


neverwinter nights 2 storm of zehir IGN 8.3...GameSpot 8.2

dungeon siege 3 IGN 6.5...GameSpot 6.0

alpha protocol IGN 6.3...GameSpot 6.0

new vegas IGN 8.5...GameSpot 7.5


lets compare that to bethesdas last 4 games

morrowind IGN 9.4...GameSpot 8.5

oblivion IGN 9.3...GameSpot 9.5

FO3 IGN 9.6...GameSpot 9.0

skyrim IGN 9.5...GameSpot 9.0
that says it all...lets all give obsidian plenty of constructive criticism because if they can't get it together, they may be in the unemployment line and they'll probably be applying for a job at bethesda game studios.

About 3 months after Skyrim was released, it's selling for 30$, and we're STILL gonna make this argument?

Wow people didn't look to hard to find out sales numbers. As of November 9, 2010 "Fallout franchise has sold more than 5 million copies since its release on October 19." http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/fallout-new-vegas/1132962p1.html

So now its 2012, so one would figure it would be alot more than that.

Fallout 3 sold around 5 million since it came out. http://video-games.findthebest.com/q/212/2744/How-many-copies-of-Fallout-3-the-video-game-were-sold

Sounds a bit too much like that Alexander dude from sometime back. Did he get banned and is now here with an all new account, or is he trying to fool people into thinking that there are more people with the exact same arguments as him?