you're right. it will be odd when we hear of what happens in the coming days of the war. what of the champions surely the 8 & 1 wont allow this?another dragonbreak i presume.

No, another Interregnum. Total war.

well see maybewe will have small battles then the akavir will swoop in making the broken empire
combine in one last attempt

The irony of the fact that half of the Counts like him is...

The two counts who don't like him are the Nibenese. And in theory, the Colovians are the ones who like Mer even less...

Yeah well, there were no Nibeneans in Oblivion. THe only towns there were the slummiest of the lot

marn is funny cuz hes right...lol

Very Intresting

Perfect time for an invasion

"Within about 400 years of their overthrown, the strongly anti-mer Alessian Order had driven out, or exterminated, most remaining Ayleid settlements. Scholars generally believe that the Ayleid immigrated en masse to Valenwood, and possibly Summerset Isles, where they were integrated into those mer races. There are persistant rumors, which can not be rejected outright, that wild tribes of pure Ayleid still hide within the Cyrodiilic forests. In any case, the Ayleid abandoned their cities, which have fallen into ruin, though the magic and mechanical traps which were installed near the end of their history still function."

Once again more evidence...

It is? Interesting. I wonder if he has an opinion on Morgiah's betrothal.

You would make a terrible prosecutor in court.

"Let it be known to the jury that the defendant is of German decent. You know who else came from Germany? The Nazis! I rest my case!"

[censored] you're right i needa rethink my strategy i call for a recess your honor
by the way im only 13 anyway

Be the one-not-yet-there, that is to say "the victor" AE NUMANTIA CE ALTADOON. Again, may JHUNAL bless your search.

___The Word Merchant of Julianos

Personal opinion, I believe he is. He's labeled as Altmer A: Because they had no Ayleid race and B: because Ayleids were often absorbed into other races (hence "of Firsthold"). Does that mean he's a bad person? No. It never said they couldn't havea good Ayleid in charge, just that bad ones would try to be in charge.

Or Bethesda could've just said "[censored] it" and we're all just fishing in the middle of a desert, since the Nu-Mantia intercept isn't actually in the games. Personally I hope they didn't.

I personally believe that Ocato is a Ayleid and not a nice person. You notice that all this stuff related to Daedric power increases has happened since Ocato has been in the picture. We'll start with the Jagar Tharn debacle. Wasn't Ocato Tharn's apprentice. And Jagar Tharn was known as a good battlemage, and there had to be a reason why Uriel Septim trusted him so much. And then things changed. Maybe the whole thing was actually Ocato's idea. That is my opinion. And after Uriel gets back, Ocato seems completely clean. Can't really connect Daggerfall with Ocato. In Morrowind, the Gaurdians are killed, and the Heart is realeased, allowing for a Daedric invasion. Who was the advisor, Ocato. Then, in Oblivion, the invasion actually occured. Why would Mankar Camoran spend so much effort killing the Emporer and his sons, and then miss Ocato. "Just an extremely powerful battlemage, with already a lot of control and power within the empire. He won't be much of a threat." They must have known he would take control of the empire. No one is that stupid. Ocato refuses to help the cities when attacked by the Daedra. And the only city not under attack for most the game is the IC, the city Ocato is in. And how did Dagon invade right when Martin was there. Wouldn't Ocato have locked down the city, and make sure no gates were opened? No, he would let tons of gates be opened. And he svcked at protecting Martin, but that is probably a gameplay issue. I believe that Ocato was the true mastermind of the Invasion along with Mankar Camoran, his Ayleid brother. And if he isn't an Ayleid, he sure as hell is a Altmer with Daedric and Ayleid sympathies. Which reminds me of the rumors about Summurset. Maybe that can be used in my conspiracy theory somehow.

There are a few things that tend to show Ocato's loylty to Martin and the Empire, mainly because

___TWM

Maybe his plan was to regain Ayleid control over the empire. I never said tha Ocato wanted complete destruction of Nirn (maybe I did, if I did I was wrong). Through the invasion, Ocato amassed complete power over Cyrodiil. The Oblivion Crisis is the only way an Altmer/Ayleid could ever get control over Cyrodiil, and who got power through the crisis, an Altmer/Ayleid

Ockham's Razor cuts your argument to ribbons, I'm afraid.

I know. I still don't like or trust Ocato. He seems to get more powerful every mistake he makes. He just annoys me, so I was trying to hold on to a reason to hate him.

Maybe Ocato is an aylied and he is the only way an aylied could rule the empire without it coming to ruin. Ocato is a cool guy, and he isn't as snobby as half those other high elfs.

Occam's Razor has no place in lore discussions, since it is trumped by that great beast known to scholars only as 'BATW'. Always go with the more interesting explanation/theory/possibility, not necessarily the most parsimonious one. I do not believe Ocato is an Ayleid (literally or otherwise), but I do believe some ambiguity to his motives makes for considerably more interest than the image of him as a flawlessly loyal functionary. At the very least, I can't imagine you get to be the second most powerful person in the Empire without at least a healthy ambition and some basic level of deviousness.

Ockham's Razor and BATW are not mutually exclusive.

Implausible/Illogical/Absurd != "interesting". (No offense, saxbass)

I agree with your sentiments, by the way. I have a big problem with the utopian Cyrodiil presented in Oblivion. Weren't there people rioting in the streets only a couple of years ago? Right.

off topic by a mile

I knew there was something not quite right about him......

A hunch is a hunch but instincts are always right....