Never trust a Mer!!!

If you're referring to me, I'm a nord.Snowmane,Axel Snowmane.(james bond music plays)

I was hoping everyone saw my last comment and took notice!

I don't question Ocato's loyalty. He does not come across as a pretender like Tharn. His clear lack of action though can probably be attributed to bureaucracy more than anything. As for him being Ayleidic, I wouldn't doubt it. Mankar Camoran was half Ayleid half Bosmer I believe.

This may have been said already, but Umbacano, if I remember correctly, was an Altmer. However, he probably had Ayleid blood in him, because of the events during his quest (look it up on UESP if needed).

I thought that Mankar Camoran was a Psijic?

No, Mannimarco was...

I thought this thread was dead...

Apparently, lots of weird crap started happening after the Oblivion Crisis....

Ha, I didn't even notice it was old...

Heh, you may not have been the only one...

Mankar Camoran being Ayleid is much more accurate, especially thanks to the KotN add on which shows the connection Ayleids and Daedra share. (Probably worded this wrong) But what I mean to say is Umaril was half ayleid and half daedra and to my knowledge they were often allies. Also the way the realms of Oblivion opened seemed like it was the intention of Mythic Dawn to get a new power in office. It would make sense that an Ayleid would jump on that train in attempt to rule.

Dragon Breaks only Occur During an Apotheosis, ore the creation of a God.


..at least I think that's how it goes...

When time breaks, usually caused by an apotheosis, but I don't think it's always caused by that.
Besides I stated that when I was young and stupid. Half a year later and I've matured quite a bit. Lol

I should point out that this is only partially accurate.

Umaril's mother was Ayleid. His father was a god from a previous Kalpa, but not necessarily a Daedra. He gained Daedric sorceries, including the ability to cheat death, from his pact with Meridia.

Also, the Ayleid are not the only "race" with daedric "alliances". Orcs have Malacath, the Chimer had their favoured daedra patrons, and Dunmer has those as well, to some extent.

Think also of the Aurorans that attack the various chapels, their appearance is reminiscent of the ayleids, their bear ayleid weopons, yet they appear out of nowhere like daedra, and the priests refer to them as "foul daedra"

This certainly shows Umaril's connection to the daedra in my opionion

But then again, I don not pretend to be a master of Lore, and might be looking at this in a very ignorant way, and if that is the case I apologize.

And just about every noble worth his salt has a summoning Chamber. Not everybody institutionalized it to the point where it can be said that "their race" is doing it, but it's pretty common.

When it comes to the Ayleid it can not be said that "their race" had a Daedric alliance. The Cyrodiilic Phanteon is a synthesis of the Altmeri(Ayleid) and Nordic pantheons, which means that the common Ayleid were not all that much into the Daedra.

And a new Sheogorath has risen.....

Yup.

Did you do Mania or Dementia?

Did Arden-Sul do Mania or Dementia?

Point of detail:

Mankar Cameron would appear to have been the son of Haymon Cameron - read The Refugees. It will tell you of Mankar's birth and a scout who was with Haymon in Valenwood notes that the mother - a Bosmer woman - was Haymon's concubine ... and she makes some very wild 'prophesies' at his birth about blood and death and his Master aka Dagon we now may surmise.

It appears that all Dagon wants is to beak Nirn into bits and escape from the general area ... not exactly the ally for anyone who values continued existance sadly. So Mankar was Dagon's pawn from birth.

Who Mankar's father Haymon Cameron (The Usurper) was is a tougher nut to crack. Fans have suggested that his mother was a Breton - but no mention of his father ...

Just speculating with my anti-knowledge of lore, but there is no race of ayliad in OB so maybe they classified him as a high elf and he calls himself a high elf to keep his dirty little secret. Also his skin is much more golden than any Altimer I have ever seen, so there is a possibility. then again, i don't know squat about lore. But his skin is so, out of place.

He's Altmer, more than likely. http://www.imperial-library.info/pge3/summerset.shtml is a place in Summerset.

And it is also place where many of ayleds fled after their defeat.

Really? Where is this stated?

Firsthold - True. Was he Lord of it or a resident?

Speculation but if you want Occato as an evil conniver you would have to ask where he came into the picture:
In the Refugees Ifor example if the 'Master' Haymon's scout refers to was not the Bosmer Lord he served originally but rather a Master of other powers - such as magical that might have been Occato running around mastermining the rise and fall of Haymon, then of Haymon's son Mankar and finally finding himself in the driver's seat having ensured that Dagon would not wipe the entire mundus from existance (this time anyhows) ...

Not sure I see Occato as that powerful though - but who knows?