Odd problem with armor/clothing textures : IV

» Wed May 11, 2011 5:29 am

I can't explain why this is happening, but when I've bought some items recently from the Apachii Goddess Store, a few showed up on my character. When they were dropped on the floor, however, they were just rectangles marked "Goddess Store," and when those were put in my companions' inventory, the relevant body parts vanished. Now, they were fine previously: everything I've bought from the shop showed up perfectly, and I've had it running for months. Obviously, something changed in my setup.

I'vetried reinstalling the AGS, but no difference. Any ideas? Here's my mod list:

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00 Oblivion.esm
01 Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0]
02 Windfall.esm
03 TR_OoT_Main.esm
04 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
05 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
06 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
08 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
09 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
0A Armamentarium.esm
0B DremoraCompanion.esm
0C Fort Akatosh.esm
0D StaticAlchemyMod.esm
0E CM Partners.esm
0F Toaster Says Share v3.esm
10 Artifacts.esm [Version 1.1]
11 underdark.esm
12 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.4]
13 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
++ Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp
++ DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp
++ DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp
14 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
15 TRoN.esp
++ TRoN Vwalk.esp
16 Oblivion Collectible Cards.esp
17 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
18 AmbientTownSounds.esp
19 LoadingScreens.esp
1A LoadingScreensAddOn.esp
1B 300_Lore_Dialogue_Updated.esp
1C Storms & Sound.esp
1D WindowLightingSystem.esp
1E Advanced_Water_Modification-2734.esp
1F ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Let The People Drink Compatible Version - Merged.esp
20 Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
21 AliveWaters.esp
22 Better Bell Sounds.esp
23 GuildOwnership1.2.esp
24 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - Merged.esp
25 kalikuts_raretradegoods2_0.esp
26 Banes.esp
27 Doomstones Expanded.esp
28 moDem's City Life.esp
++ moDem's City Life Vwalk.esp
29 Crowded Cities 15.esp
++ Crowded Cities 15 Vwalk.esp
2A Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.2]
2B Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.0.2]
2C DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
2D DLCOrrery.esp
2E DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
2F DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp
++ GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp
30 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
31 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
32 DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp
** Book Jackets DLC.esp
++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
33 ArmamentariumArmor.esp
** FineWeapons.esp
34 ArmamentariumVendors.esp
35 ExnemEyeCandy.esp
36 Banes Guilds United.esp
37 HiddenSkulls.esp
38 Sin's Expanded Light Armor Kit [Chest].esp
39 ArynnsDrowQueen2.0.esp
3A StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp
3B Morrowind Robes and Dresses for HGEC.esp
3C DLCThievesDen.esp
3D DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
++ DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp
3E DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]
++ Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp
3F Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests.esp
40 Francesco's Optional Leveled Arena.esp
++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]
41 Francesco's Optional Files 2.esp
42 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
43 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
44 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
45 Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp [Version 3.7b3p]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
46 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
47 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
48 Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
49 Mart's Monster Mod - Fran's leveled quests.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
4A Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
4B Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
4C Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
4D Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
4E Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
4F Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
50 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ TamrielTravellersFactionAll.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp [Version 1.39c]
51 TamrielTravellers4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ TamrielTravellers4MMM Vwalk.esp
52 TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]
53 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
54 TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp [Version 1.39c]
55 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ ShiveringIsleTravellers Vwalk.esp
56 Extended Chorrol.esp
++ Extended Chorrol Vwalk.esp
57 Gift of Kynareth.esp
58 Kragenir's Death Quest.esp
59 LetThePeopleDrink-Cobl.esp [Version 2.5]
5A KragenirsDeathQuest-LetThePeopleDrink patch.esp
5B LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp
5C LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp
5D Quest For The Elements.esp
5E Ruins of Tarnesia.esp [Version 1.0]
5F Skingrad Market 1.0.esp [Version 1.00]
60 Spirit's Edge.esp
61 SSS_1.0.esp
62 The Crazy Scientist.esp
63 Windfall.esp
64 TheElderCouncil.esp
65 TR_Stirk.esp
66 WellspringGrove.esp
67 CybiadesDungeon.esp [Version 2.1]
68 DLCFrostcrag.esp
++ DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp
69 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
6A Knights.esp
6B Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
++ Knights Vwalk UOP.esp
6C Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1]
++ Cybiades Vwalk.esp
6D TOTF.esp
6E RTT.esp
++ RTT Vwalk.esp
6F RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp [Version 2.0]
70 The Lost Spires.esp
++ The Lost Spires Vwalk.esp
71 AFK_Weye.esp
72 GuardsofCyrodiil.esp
73 Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
74 MannimarcoRevisited.esp
75 FortAkatosh.esp
76 Duke Patricks Sickness Alarm.esp
77 Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp
78 2nd to 1st person.esp
79 Kyoma's Journal Mod.esp [Version 3.2.0]
++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp [Version 2.1.0]
7A Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
7B Roleplaying Dialogues.esp
7C Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.1.1]
++ Mundane Enchantment Adjustment.esp
++ EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
7D SSEE.esp
7E Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.0.1]
7F Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 2.1.0]
80 Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
81 No psychic guards v1.2.esp
82 Legendary Abilities-Shield MOJ.esp
83 Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp
84 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
85 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
86 bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV]
87 bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ WellspringGroveZahrashaBook.esp
88 Francesco's 10 days respawn time.esp
++ FingerOfTheMountain.esp
89 Kot9 Rings.esp
8A CM Armor Expansion.esp
8B EiAmod.esp [Version 1.1]
++ EiAmod Vwalk.esp
8C HeartOftheDead.esp [Version 6.2]
++ HeartOftheDead Vwalk.esp
8D CWU MM - Demon Weapons.esp
8E MagicFromTheSky.esp
++ EiAmod_ShiveringIsles.esp
++ Fransfemale.esp
++ YAARM_Iron.esp
8F Slof and Tanya's Fleshbeast Armour.esp
90 Riddle_Dungeon 2_v1.1.esp
91 HGEC_special_armor_repl.esp
92 bartholm.esp
++ bartholm Vwalk.esp
93 Oblivion Achievements CORE Version.esp
++ Shivering Armor Variety.esp
94 Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp
95 DremoraCompanion.esp
96 Slof's & Orc's Armours.esp
97 Azure's Arcanery.esp
98 Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp
99 WeaponsOfTheNine.esp [Version 2.2]
9A Growlfs Hot Clothes.esp
9B Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
** Personality Idles - Modified version.esp
9C DimensionalPocket.esp [Version 3.01]
9D Town_Ceremonial_Armor.esp
9E LazyPCB.esp
9F Dungeo Forgotten Tower Reduced Spawns.esp
A0 SentientWeapon.esp [Version 3]
A1 NecromancerHunting.esp
A2 Automagic Bags.esp
A3 Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp
A4 PartnerArmor.esp
A5 AgarMoreVariedSpellEffects.esp
A6 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.80]
A7 SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86]
A8 Wyverex's - Runes by DJ.esp
A9 More Merchants.esp
AA Bottomless Cavern.esp
AB Amajor7 Imperial Furniture.esp
AC bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D]
AD bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 0.993]
AE Consequences.esp
AF Consequences_Knights.esp
B0 Malevolent.esp
B1 QQuix - Divine Elegance Showroom.esp
B2 Flexible Leveling II.esp
B3 TOTF-EiAE Patch.esp
B4 Echo_ChapelChant.esp
B5 sr_super_hotkeys.esp
++ bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp [Version 1.5]
B6 Costume Forge.esp
B7 Kyoma's Spell Renamer.esp [Version 3.0.0]
B8 Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp
B9 Leviathan Soulgems.esp
BA Mart's Monster Mod - Hemingweys NPC and Guard Capes.esp [Version 1.0]
BB CLS-Object Renamer-OBSE.esp
BC Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
BD Bullet Time Custom.esp
BE RealitySpectre'sBetterPotions.esp
BF Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]
C0 Lem - The Rift.esp
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ NoHFailure_HFlora.esp
++ NoHFailure_HFlora_SE.esp
C1 PTArtifacts.esp
C2 Tarana The Golden Impling.esp
C3 1em_Vilja.esp
++ CMPartner_Xenia Vwalk.esp
** SPARTAN VIs Diverse City Guards v1 2.esp
C4 Misc Merged1.esp
** Mage Equipment.esp
C5 Blackscar Citadel.esp
C6 Acolyte_Of_Kynareth_HGEC.esp
** Artifacts.esp [Version 1.1]
C7 Merged Dungeons.esp
C8 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.3]
C9 CompanionMaster.esp
CA IDKRRR_C_race.esp
CB IDKRRR_C_race_closed_mouth_version.esp
CC Nec-Character_Sonnet_Mature.esp
CD Sonia.esp
++ Sonia Vwalk.esp
CE CMPartner_Xenia.esp
CF Sylar_INNMergedCyrodillInnsRevised.esp
++ Sylar_INNMergedCyrodillInnsRevised Vwalk.esp
++ BluesNewMaleBodyRep1.0.esp
D0 Dschinni.esp
++ Dschinni Vwalk.esp
++ 1em_Vilja Vwalk.esp
D1 Arren.esp
D2 DexwoodFamilySaga.esp
D3 Tchos Alchemy Tower.esp
D4 RshAlchemy.esp
D5 RshAlchemyRecipes.esp
D6 Saerileth.esp
D7 StokerWolff.esp
D8 Maigrets House Cats.esp
++ SWalk.esp
++ 77_Umpa_sixy_walk.esp
D9 FormID Finder4.esp
++ bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
** bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.7EV]
** TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
DA bgBalancingOptionalLessHealth.esp [Version 10.0UV-U]
DB Chocolate Elves.esp
DC CMChocloateelves.esp
DD companion_chocolate.esp
++ bgHighElfSeamReducerFixEV.esp
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalSeamReducerHighElfFix.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
++ Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp
DE Reznod_Mannequin.esp
DF bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Item interchange - Placement.esp [Version 0.78]
E0 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
E1 Hemingweys Capes.esp [Version 1.02]
E2 RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.4]

» Tue May 10, 2011 8:57 pm

I have always had problems with AGS. I use to use an earlier version than the current ones released and it seemed more capable at handling the meshes/textures. I recently got the newest version (there are some AMAZING weapons in that store) and nearly everything was either missing a texture or mesh..upon uninstalling and re installing, I had a different result.
I can't help much, but I recommend possibly trying an earlier version and see if it changes anything (start crossing out what the problem source is)

» Wed May 11, 2011 1:26 am

I have always had problems with AGS. I use to use an earlier version than the current ones released and it seemed more capable at handling the meshes/textures. I recently got the newest version (there are some AMAZING weapons in that store) and nearly everything was either missing a texture or mesh..upon uninstalling and re installing, I had a different result.
I can't help much, but I recommend possibly trying an earlier version and see if it changes anything (start crossing out what the problem source is)

I've never had this problem up until now, and the same things that worked before, no longer do. Besides, if it's simply a missing texture, shouldn't it show up as purple when placed on a body? Instead, the companion or mannequin's body part underneath that simply vanishes. That's very odd.

It seems to be mostly the case with chests and legs. I don't know what to make of it. But I'm not blaming Apachii, since the same things looked great when displayed in Qquix's Diviine Elegance Showroom. Something's changed.

» Wed May 11, 2011 1:42 am

well it was my best guess, though I am not particularly sure, or even have a general idea what could cause it.

I can say you have a TON of mods though!
perhaps try repositioning it in the load order (I suggest not taking advice from me unless you are in a desperate time, may I be your last resort)

» Wed May 11, 2011 5:35 am

No offense, but I have tried reinstalling and repositioning the Apachii Store. As well as re-running my Bashed Patch repeatedly, or leaving it out, or saving, exiting, and reloading--which shouldn't even matter when it's only a problem with textures. If that's all it is. I've also reinstalled Roberts 4.0. Again, no difference.

Hopefully, someone has an idea why these armors, especially legs and chest elements, when dropped, are just tokens for the Goddess Store, and when applied to a companion or mannequin, make that body part vanish. It doesn't sound like missing textures.

» Wed May 11, 2011 12:33 pm

Invisible textures could result from a bad texture path (i.e., texture paths starting with a drive letter instead of the subfolder in the textures folder or texture paths containing the wrong slashes.) If you are not seeing a missing mesh icon, I would look to the textures. Check the plugin with TES4View. Check any item that has the invisibility issue.

» Tue May 10, 2011 9:05 pm

Invisible textures could result from a bad texture path (i.e., texture paths starting with a drive letter instead of the subfolder in the textures folder or texture paths containing the wrong slashes.) If you are not seeing a missing mesh icon, I would look to the textures. Check the plugin with TES4View. Check any item that has the invisibility issue.

Yet the same items that are invisible on companions and mannequins appear perfectly normally on my own character, both when seen while in inventory mode, and after closing the inventory, in 3rd person. That shouldn't happen, if it's an issue with a bad texture path, would it?

EDIT: I just did a FormID on a few of these. Model location is pointing at a generic NIF in a meshes subdirectory, so I suppose the problem is with a mesh. Which is weird, because, as I wrote above, they appear on my character perfectly well. I'd think that if the mesh were messed up, my character would show it, too.

And here's the thing: I've looked in the nested subdirectory for the meshes of an item that has a generic mesh (ie, wrong) mesh in the game, and it looks perfectly right in the Oblivion meshes/armor/apachii/dragon subdirectory. It's as though something were overriding its attempt to look there, turning that subdirectory invisible, and returning it a message of "there's no such mesh here."

» Wed May 11, 2011 8:40 am

Try this under BSA Loading:
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/installmods

Seems to explain some of the weirdness you are experiencing.

» Wed May 11, 2011 5:08 am

Oops, I kind of misspoke. You need to open the relevant meshes is NifScope or a similar tool to check the texture paths on the mesh.

» Wed May 11, 2011 2:37 am

Try this under BSA Loading:
http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/installmods

Seems to explain some of the weirdness you are experiencing.

There are no BSAs in the mod. Would have made it too easy to solve, eh?

Oops, I kind of misspoke. You need to open the relevant meshes is NifScope or a similar tool to check the texture paths on the mesh.

I've never done that. What do I need to do, and can I keep it from getting painful?

I'm convinced something has changed in my setup that's doing this. I'm just not sure what it could be, since the Apachii Goddess Store stuff worked perfectly before now. I simply can't pin the problem down to a specific period of time and thus specific changes, because I've been adding stuff and working on this mod without playing for a while. (And no, it's not the mod. That wouldn't have anything to do with it.)

» Wed May 11, 2011 8:55 am

I do not model, so I do not know how to do much else outside of expanding the tree to see the texture paths. I do not even know how to make them load in the utility I use, honestly. Try double-clicking on one of the NIF files. OBMM installs one of those types of tools, so something should come up in the recommended list. I cannot remember what utility I actually use. If it has teal-ish background, that is not the one I use.

Edit: \http://niftools.sourceforge.net/wiki/NifSkope is indeed the tool of which I was thinking, and I think that that is the one installed with OBMM, not sure though.

» Wed May 11, 2011 6:52 am

I do not model, so I do not know how to do much else outside of expanding the tree to see the texture paths. I do not even know how to make them load in the utility I use, honestly. Try double-clicking on one of the NIF files. OBMM installs one of those types of tools, so something should come up in the recommended list. I cannot remember what utility I actually use. If it has teal-ish background, that is not the one I use.

Edit: \http://niftools.sourceforge.net/wiki/NifSkope is indeed the tool of which I was thinking, and I think that that is the one installed with OBMM, not sure though.

Yet if it's the mesh, why does the same item appear without problems when worn on my character, and seen in the third person? Logically, if it's the mesh, it should always look bizarre. But it only does when dropped (the item turns into a rectangular tablet, marked Goddess Store), or worn by somebody else. I'll do what you suggest--but it still seems like something else.

» Wed May 11, 2011 4:14 am

Tried opening it with OBMM. Was told it couldn't; unsupported file type. Just to be sure, I tried it with other NIFs that aren't a problem. Got the same message.

» Wed May 11, 2011 12:31 am

Well, that may be that mod's default GND mesh if the author did not feel like creating those types of meshes for every item. The GND file is the "world space" mesh, in a manner of speaking. That is necessary for the "folded pants" look and so on... Maybe that is just how the mod works. Did you see anything overriding AGS's records? You should be able to see the GND mesh file path in TES4View for each item.

» Wed May 11, 2011 3:33 am

Well, that may be that mod's default GND mesh if the author did not feel like creating those types of meshes for every item. The GND file is the "world space" mesh, in a manner of speaking. That is necessary for the "folded pants" look and so on... Maybe that is just how the mod works. Did you see anything overriding AGS's records? You should be able to see the GND mesh file path in TES4View for each item.

If I use FormID, I do find it pointing to a generic GND mesh under Meshes/armor/apachii, just as you suggest. But the actual NIF for the object is Meshes/armor/apachii/Dragon/DragonCuirass.nif. So it's there, in the right place--but for some reason, it's not being read properly when "seen" off my character. It's as though something were stopping the game from drilling down through all those subdirectories, on some items, not all of them.

» Wed May 11, 2011 12:47 pm

That .NIF file is for wearing on the character. APG just may not have _GND.NIF files, and the author may have thought that that generic mesh was more informative. Is your character male? Does the cuirass show up on other males? There may not be a female version for many items.

» Wed May 11, 2011 2:45 am

That .NIF file is for wearing on the character. APG just may not have _GND.NIF files, and the author may have thought that that generic mesh was more informative. Is your character male? Does the cuirass show up on other males? There may not be a female version for many items.

That's the ticket. And the confusing thing is that parts of the same outfit *do* have both male and female versions, while others don't. So for example, the Dragon Helmet and gauntlets are six-neutral (perhaps there is no separate m/f area for head and hands?), while the cuirass and pants for this (and several other) APG outfits are female-only. Whew.

Thanks.

That's clear something that had me really concerned, there. With a modlist as large as mine, and so many things that could go wrong, I was sure something had. You really helped out, Tommy.

» Wed May 11, 2011 6:12 am

"Tommy" is a new one, haha. I am glad you have things all sorted out now. I will make a problems page out of this, even though it is not really a problem. I use Robert's bodies, both of them, and I have definitely run into the disappears on females issue. Sometimes; however, it is simply a mistake. I think the bad dwemer cuirass I had my problem with was the bad texture path on one of the dwemer cuirasses. It was from one of the Robert replacers for OOO or something like that. Even though body replacers can make the game much more easy on the eyes, they do add an extra workload to ensure the game stays "together."

Happy gaming!
- Tomlong75210

Edit: Those clothes and armors should have a male-only flag or something if females should not wear them and vice a averse.

» Tue May 10, 2011 9:38 pm

Edit: Those clothes and armors should have a male-only flag or something if females should not wear them and vice a averse.

Agreed, but there's nothing like that in the shop. And Apachii's other major contribution, the Heroes Shop, has both male and female armor/clothing. To be fair, all the merchants in AGS are female, but that doesn't necessarily equate to female-only armor. Especially since some of the cuirasses *can* be worn by males and females.

Still--it's an incredible shop, meticulously detailed, with imaginative add-ons (like a series of books briefly discussing the goddesses in question), and tons of merchandise. I'll gladly accept the inconsistencies, despite the headaches this one caused, in exchange for so much effort and so much result.

» Wed May 11, 2011 9:52 am

When I was using Exnem (the more original Eyecandy version) I also downloaded that mod. I had plans to download the Heroes Shop, but Robert came out with his female body before it was released I think...That was a general comment, certainly not targeted to AGS. Most of the time when I run into this issue, it is just an overlooked texture path in a NIF file.

» Wed May 11, 2011 12:44 am

Sorry, should not have posted right before bed.
Tomlong's website gives the wiki's info in a more straightforward manner but forgot that his BSA info did not include ArchiveInvalidation.
I was attempting to refer you to how how the game wouldn't be able to find a defined path due to how BSA loading can mess with directories if you did not set entries in the ArchiveInvalidation.txt file.
Looks like Tomlong explained the other possibility quite well (ie the Modmakers possible mistake).

» Wed May 11, 2011 3:01 am

You do not need http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/installmods/archiveinvalidation when using OBMM, and I do have that information on the website. It is not in the guide's BSA loading info because that guide assumes you are using BAIN (or even OBMM) and it uses BSA Redirection (as does OBMM.)