What about the rest of the world, the whole mortal plane, Mundus(sp?)? Isnt Mehrunes looking to destroy all of it, not just Tamriel? :unsure:
To try for what?

CTD

I think that maybe the CHIMified person who achieved CHIM more recently would prevail if two CHIMified got into a fight. Why? Because, as I understand it, when you achieve CHIM, you transcend the world, while still being a part of it. Therefore, you would also transcend any other beings that had achieved CHIM. Of course, I might just be spouting BS here.

That's debatable. Although I wouldn't argue if you just said that such an endeavour is well suited to the mortal condition, or powerful free spirits, more than gods like the daedra.

Tamriel is the "starry heart" of the world. It IS the world.

Vivec fighting Azura was like you or I popping a zit or wearing loose clothing to hide our expanding waist line. There are some things you don't like about yourself, so you get rid of them or hide them. (:


I'd say you'd be equal, since achieving CHIM wouldn't change the size or scope of the universe, just your perception of it and its principles. Infinity +(or -) infinity is still infinity, so either nothing would happen, or everything would happen. But neither would win... or both would. Either way CHIM is a hoorrible concept. Well, the concept is good, just the ridiculous boost in power/everything.

A simpler approach:

A conversation anywhere in Cyrodiil:
Speaker 1: "I saw a Mudcrab today. Ugly creatures..."

Speaker 2: "Huh, you said that last time already. And the time before. And before that. Isn't there anything else you can say? I'm just going to kill that Mudcrab for fun now. See you!"

The difference between these two speakers is CHIM.
The (not very secret) secret why Vehk beat Azura and why Azura doesn't have CHIM lies therein, too. (If you get it, don't tell.)

You could probably make a case that the daedra are similar to fallen angels. Belief systems with angels usually portray them as fixed in their roles and limited compared to mortals with their free will; the mortals being favored by the gods.

The rest of the world is sort of a backdrop, or the area where all the actors go on and off. But I meant Nirn anyway.




To make the last leap, the jump past mortal death!

You could make the case and some valid claims, but it would still have to live with Lorkhan, Sheogorath, Dagon, Malacath and Meridia.

The second paragraph here strikes a sympathetic chord, but the first para makes no sense. Why?

Basically you have contradicted yourself in one important respect and debased the nature and power of Gods to support or prove a debateable point.

A God has to be more like a hand in comparison to the Mundus and personally I do not sit here smacking my hand (others do with their hands, but ...) nor do I plunge a red hot poker into it. Self abuse svcks.

And who is to say that the Dunmer are not actually happier with their colour in Morrowind (they can be forgiven for being upset with their colour in Oblivion though ) - it could be said that it did not hurt them, and it was a timely lesson, but they have taken it to heart and call themselves the dunmer proudly.

Now, if Vekh has transcended all in his thinking, then he should have transcended his own shortcomings or Chim(p) would not be possible ... so claiming he would then act in such a petty and downright narsty manner in the Trial having already attained chim(p) says that if another achieved chim(p) then Vivec might well attack them too - out of petty spite ...

Heh, you can ignore this or misrepresent the sense, but it has been said. I would be surprised if you were to meet this post on its own terms without agreeing in part.