Ok, heres what I noticed, why arn't there any BoS people EAST of the capitol wasteland? Wouldn't there be some like in boston, or mass, or at least any part of the eastern US then the centeral part of it? Like the northeastern or southeastern part, also wouldn't you think that the outcasts would have some form of contact with the cali. BoS, since they're still on the original mission objectives - find, recover, and develop new techonology?

not sure i understand?

d.c. is east of the waste and the game map ends at d.c.

are you talking series lore and history?

1. Sorry if this is obvious and I missed it, but how do you know there aren't any to the east?

2. Yes. I always thought that the outcasts should have some sort of contact with the western BoS. It doesn't say anything in the game about them not having any contact though does it?



He means to the east of D.C. within the united states. Like the other eastern seaboard states. (NY, Jersey, the carolinas, etc.)

Because the Elder Lyon's BoS are sittin' ducks in there citadel with a leader who is obsessed with Mutants, the Outcast under Casdin didn't really like his obsession and did 'exile' themself from Elder Lyons BoS, while Elder Lyon is still focusing on the Mutant Uprising in Washington D.C, Casdin and his kin are truly patrolling the Wastelands, and probaly with ego-centric motives they are doin' pretty much more to the Wastelands than Elder Lyon's, and don't come with the Water Purficiation project since they gived it up after James did go to Vault 101 ...

Okay, now it's waiting if the orginal BoS are coming and what they think about it, but I think well probaly more ego-centric and selfish than Elder Lyons, Casdin is by far more a 'down to earth man' , than his counterpart.

what im saying is there seem to be no bos forces in the southeast or northeast part of the US in the games story AT ALL and also are the outcasts in contact with the california part of the brotherhood of steel?

yeah, but if the western bos sent them to DC wouldn't they at least be curious about what is over in the other parts of the us i didn't mean that the capitol wasteland sent them i ment the original bos.

not sure i understand yet, but, the BoS have their base in the SE part of the fallout3 map.?

ill have to keep an eye out for exactly where ive seen them throughout the rest of the map. however, being near their base makes sense.

He's not talking about the map of Fallout 3. The original BoS was in the west. (cali I think, I never played FO1 or 2) He asking why BoS aren't said to be in other areas besides that. To the east of D.C., in other states besides Virginia.

Actually, you can find out that the western branch cut off contact with Lyons after he abandoned the original objective.

EDIT: Oh sorry, thought you said BoS, not Outcasts. Anyway, if you ask Casdin, he says something about trying to establish contact with the Western BoS.

I figured I missed something. I didn't care enough to read everything on the BoS on terminals or in dialogue. I imagine Lyons himself reveals that info?

whats funny is now that i just bought the interplay trilogy im interested in the fallout series history and facts and lore...

but i still hate the mouse, key and crappy azz graphics.

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The original Brotherhood of Steel has decided not to forcefully remove Elder Lyons because his desires are more in tandem with how the Brotherhood was originally founded by Maxson. However, he did disregard the primary objective of his mission to the Capital Wasteland - the acquisition of new technology. As such, the Brotherhood leadership has cut all support from Lyon's branch of the Brotherhood of Steel. This is why the Brotherhood has resorted to recruiting the local Wastelanders in an effort to remain in shouting distance of the Super Mutants.

It's through the Outcasts that we learn that contact with the Western Brotherhood has become severed. We're never given the reason as to why this is, as it makes very little sense for the Brotherhood to just "Run Silent" on it's own members, no matter how disfranchised. Also they had to have known about...the little present...located in the Citadel. It makes no sense for the Brotherhood in the West to severe communications completely.

Factor in that during Fallout 2, the Brotherhood had fallen on hard times (Their presence had become middling, their relevance to affairs in the Wasteland negligible), and that the Eastern Brotherhood is playing host to the Maxson Heir, and I suspect the reason Casdin can't contact the Western Brotherhood is because the Western Brotherhood doesn't exist any longer, for whatever reason.

Think about it. The Western Brotherhood took the sole surviving descendant of their founder, removed him completely from the center of the Brotherhood's power, march him (While still a very young child) across the continental United States and settle him with a Elder that seems hellbent on ending a new Super Mutant threat?

What possible reason would the Brotherhood have to get a Maxson out of California if something wasn't about to happen? Even though Lyons was still in the Brotherhood Leadership's good graces at the time, that's still a helluva hike just to be trained and educated. And when Lyons fell out of favor, you'd have thought the Council would have demanded Maxson's return.


No. Something's happened out in California.

so what your trying to say is...outcasts are complete bada*ses and elder lyons is a failure
go outcasts!

I think the same thing.

That makes sense, but what could have happened? Another megaton unexploded bomb went off an whiped them off the earth? Hmm... this is getting interesting any more comments would be really cool, this is all very iteresting.

Also, it's not like they could have all just disappeared with no trace or anything, i mean something that big THE NEWS WOULD HAVE TRAVELED FAST right?

Well if you read and believe the BS beth made up for the Current BoS. Appearently the West coast BoS Lyons was one of there best guys. So when they wanted to send a Expedition to recover the tech in the pentagon and D.C. region they sent him. They also decided to send Maxon because to there eyes Lyons was the "best" of them. Little did they know he would back stabb them when the first wastelanders started to cry at him. The West coast BoS are fine, they are just taking a more behind the scenes approch is all. In FO2's ending they said they where going into R&D and Consalting or somesuch IIRC. Basicly they where going to use the new Bigger "city-states" like NCR and San Fran. do the heavy lifting while they sit back and absorb al lthe tech they will send there way.

ahh thank you my friend for explaining that too me it makes sense now.

The Brotherhood of Steel was born of a SINGLE company (well under 200 soldiers) of the U.S. Army, in California. A century ago, they had zero motivation to go ANYwhere far from the place of their birth. So the fact that there's any BoS in D.C. is, itself, astounding.

they prob grew incredibly fast man.

It is possible that the Western Brotherhood is dead.

In Black Isles Fallout 3 they had planned to have the Brotherhood in a loosing war with the NCR.

i dont think they were supposed to be losing just in a stalemate. high tech vs high quantity.

No, actually they were pretty isolationist for a long while - and came to look DOWN upon most of the survivors in the wasteland; whie the BOS could afford to maintain a reasonable level of education for their children, most wastelanders are semi-literate at best.