You were insanely lucky, or really good at running away, if true then. SMs and Enclave troops aren't that scary (frankly the SMs are just above mole rats in terms of mook-status) in Fallout 3. Combat in FO3 is fine as is though, even with the retarded opposition, it's not an FPS after all.

Maybe you people need to l2p?

Are you seriously arguing that Enclave troops and super mutants aren't much weaker in Fallout 3?

Ah "l2p", thank God for the internet and its imbecile lingo. For myself, no, I get killed sometimes, hardly means I svck at the game. But you have to admit, SMs and Enclave troopers were pretty tough opponents. The latter could have Gauss Rifles, that'd punch through APA, enough to pose a problem. So if you were unlucky, and they crit, you were toast.

Fresh out of the Vault, it's possible to kill Super Mutants with a pistol. Even on Very Hard. I know, I've tried.

This isn't a comparison between FO3 and the previous games. This is from a pure FPS standpoint: FO3's enemies need a serious health and AI boost.

Do you seriously read my posts?

I'm saying that NEITHER FO1/2 or FO3 feature challenging combat. If I had to chose between the two, FO3 is easier, but that doesn't mean that I found FO1/2 challenging.

Criticals. Now that's interesting. I never noticed, but has anyone ever gotten crippled by a shot from an enemy? Would be nice if the same rules that allowed me to kill so many of their kind applied to them as well.

Oh I was just contending you were full of it with your "I never died after Vault City" remark.

Edit: One more personal attack from you and you meet my ignore list.

In Fallout 3 ? Yep, I've been crippled in the legs and arms a couple of times if I recall correctly (healed through the magic of stimpaks! woo).



So thinking your statement is BS based off of the experience of me and some others I know is a personal attack ? Ok.

Yup, because you are effectively calling me a lair. I am not a lair.

:huh:

Holy [censored]! Be careful man! I think he's serious! *FORUM DRAMABOMB*



I think I can sum up how utterly [censored] TES's level up system can be with one awesome example.

misc non-combat skill as primary skill. Level up said skill through casual playing of the game. Get killed by things leveling up offensive abilities because you "gained a level" through use of non-combat abilities which doesn't effect 95% of the game.

Or my favourite. Bind attack to key. Put weight on keyboard. Walk away and do something else. Come back. Profit.

Yes, clearly awesome leveling mechanics at work :salute:

I think that points more to areas for improvement with that system than a flaw in the entire idea. We don't need to throw out the baby with the bathwater, here. No system is perfect, these are simply the areas in which that one falls short.

Maybe, but its such a deeply, easily flawed and exploitable system. With it's main strength lying in that it's more... realistic? You know another word for such realistic skill progression in games? Grinding. Theres very little difference between something like TES and WoW's blacksmithing. Both are designed to lengthen (their idea of depth?) character progression by making a repetitive task a REQUIREMENT. I eagerly await TES VII: Production Line Worker

If you exploit a game system, that's your fault. You cheat and then complain about it?

You aren't supposed to grind skill increases. It's supposed to be natural progression of the skills you use most. In game, it gives you an extra roleplay opportunity by trying to decide if you want to practice, and which skills you would like to practice. Even if you never practice any skill (Did this in my first play of Morrowind because, well, it never occurred to me that I could practice) you will do just fine.

Not at all, but usually if something is easily exploitable, then it isn't very good. Its a system that poses next to no limitations on a character, allowing null specalisation (because you can just "practice" everything).



Minigames. Combat-centric gameplay. Those two things alone make many skills completely redudent and make for a [censored] roleplay experience, and those things also would've killed several skills in Fallout 3 (like they did in Oblivion) if it wasn't for the whole skill barrier they implemented for their "lol minigames RPG experience". Combat-centric gameplay also carries the fore-front of the other [censored] design that goes hand in hand with the TES system. The system itself would work if it had limitations put on it and actual intelligent game design along with it. As simply there is very little reason at all to use non-combat skills (perhaps other then sneak... but even then) as primary attributes to define your level.

But until that day when Hell freezes over, TES will be forever a [censored] broken system that should be dragged out and shot.