I would really like to have a friend helping me raiding a dungeon or just have an epic battle at the "Throat of the World". I dont think it would ruin the experience, just look at Fable 2 and 3. It is a simple feature you can easily enable/unable.

I Look at fable, and I see a game that doesn't take itself seriously, and this it does well. its a Toy, if it did take itself seriously it would svck more then I already feel the series do.

that said Co-op/Multiplayer adds nothing to TES, Co-op and Mutliplayer are for games that fizzle out once you beat the MQ or rather there is nothing to do afterwards
Deadspace 2, Hot-pursuit, Halo series, Fable series, and a whole Myriad of other games. show me a RPG of TES's relative that Sports a Good Storyline and a Good Multiplayer and Vice versa, more often then not one is lacking even for games that aren't RPG's. please, no thank you. their are other games that do these aspects quite well, TES doesn't need to head in that direction.

My thoughts on multiplayer to be honest are this...for just the actually normal game.....NO, NO, and NO.....oh did I also mention NO? But they could have a small thing like the arena, you sign up and connect to online and instead of fighting npcs in the arena its just another player. But even I am abit shaky on that, that is just the only multiplayer I would b willing to see. But to be honest, I would prefer all multiplayer aspects staying out of the game.

Ooh, an official thread about this subject. *Huggles!*

So, my opinion. I think it would be nice to have online co-op, inviting friends into your gameworld from theirs where they can help you with quests and still level up themselves. Not that I find much of worth in the Fable games, I think the multiplayer option to set how much each player recieves of gold from fallen enemies was a nice touch though, one which could make co-op profitable. So people could hire themselves out as mercenaries to help in other peoples games. The higher your level, the more you cost. Would be a nice fun way to make money. ^_^

I would not like any sort of competitive matches or anything though, with the exception of an arena where players can test their skills against one another (without the benefits of their own equipment).

All that said, I'm perfectly fine with it being solely a single player experience. Means more SP content. Co-op like I, and probably others *hasn't read any other posts*, have mentioned would just be icing on the cake (or an awesome DLC *nudge, nudge*). =)

Multiplayer like Mount & Blade Warband aka a totally separate game.

They aren't going to add it, and for that I am glad.

I would much rather they make an awesome single-player engine versus the huge time it would take to add multi-player aspects to the game.

Multiplayer in a elder scrolls game would completely destroy the series.

Even a MMO would be absolutely *horrible*.. can you imagine the wonderous world and video game series that is Elder scrolls being chopped into smelly rotten pieces to fit the template of a MMO?

A elder scrolls MMO would do horrible. It's just such a hard genre to get into and Zenimax Online studios have 0 experience in making MMOs.. it would be soooooooooo horrible.

while i disagree with most of what you said, i especially don't get how you can say Co-op would add nothing to TES. imo having an extra person or more would add depth to the battles and make doing quests/dungeons more fun and interesting. since your so against Co-op, how would Co-op negatively effect TES?

i think co-op is a great idea. there are going to be very different charecters in skyrim (builds) and it would be cool to show yours off to a friend. i dont think it would be too hard. just have your buddy be a follower in your game or vise versa. if a piece of crap game like fable 3 can do it im sure our guys at bethesda are able to.

and another thing. todd howard said in an interview that they werent even sure about having horses, spears, and wharewolves in the game yet (likely not spears). so there is plenty of time to write some code and add another player to the 1 player game. i think it would add alot of replay value to it. if the game considers the other player a follower then i dont see the harm in it.

Im not gonna hold my breath on this game having a co-op mode. Might as well put this on the backburner that never burns.

I support Multiplayer/Co-op or anything else that will allow me to be able to play that game with my friends.
It really gets boring in the world of AI and nothing can replace a human behind the controls of a character you are about to exchange blows with.

Welcome to the Forums, Have a http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/Enoil/DarkFishyStick.jpg. In my Opinion, their are other games for that. the TES series has not been about anyone great than one player and their effect on the world, where games in this Genre need MP and CO-OP features because of the lack of replay value in that one gameplay could be different from the other, In Oblivion its highly unlikely to complete everything in under a few hours, and there are more things to do or get done. Fable doesnt have this aspect and is glazed over with MP, same for games of other genre's that sport MP and SP with either or suffering/lacking or not that interesting because of the presence of another.

I'd cry in anger if Online were introduced. It would lower the ES standards.

I don't think that TES should focus on MP.
I think that it should be made as SP game, but just have Co-Op/MP feature where you can have your friend over in your world, or you go to his.
What would be bad in case Oblivon, for example, if it was an exactly same game as it is, only you can have a friend there with you.
I really don't see a downside to this at all and I still haven't seen a good reason for not having Co-Op/MP in TES.
Only reasons I've been given are 'I don't want it because it was SP all this time and I don't want it to change'-like.
Also, no one would force you to play Co-Op/MP so you can still have your SP experience.
It would make game much more interesting to wider audience of people without ruining anything.



And that would ruin the game how (unless you are talking about some MMO-like stuff)?

i'd like to see some form of multiplayer. even if it was as simple as having an arena like on oblivion and being able to fight friends and people online.

For the sake of the whole franchise I sincerely hope MP will entirely be left out of TES. :ermm:

True.
What is point of having god-like powers and all that stuff when you can't share some of them with your friends.
All the NPC battles really get boring very quick since they are all same and you can get them with same trick every time since they don't learn.
Not to mention that latter you don't even have to use any tricks since you are so [censored] powerful that everyone simply dies in you presence.
That's really boring in my opinion and at least some duels in arena with your friends or something like that (witch could actually be a nice tribute to Arena game) would make game so much better without ruining anything.
Just a simple form of Co-Op/MP would do a world of goodness and wouldn't ruin SP experience at all!



Typical answer without any good reason.

Is there been a single good reason for not having Co-Op/MP of some sort in TES except 'I don't wanna'?

What - apart from the fact that it has been stated that this is a single player game, something that Bethesda Game Studios have always done, and done well. Zenimax Online Studios are the side of the company that make on-line games, they are currently working on something although it has not been announced what kind of game it is - will it be a TES style game? Only time will tell.

Glad online was de-nounced :snoring:

Since I am an administrator on a BC2 server,let me give you a good reason. Whiny kids,cheaters/exploiters,more whiny kids... FPS-s I can (barely somehow) deal with having crybabies but I perfer to play a really great RPG all on my own,thank you.

This is something the gaming market is severely lacking, there is such a hi demand for a game like, a game that features immersive worlds that can be viewed in a perspective like tes that allows you to play with other people. The difference between tes and mmos is that mmos have to be balances amongst all players. In a tes game you aren't limited in such a way. It's like comparing half like 2 to Cod, there's just something you loose in the transition from single player focused games to multiplayer focused game. What I want is to take that same single player experience, the feeling of power, the engaging story and vast explorable worlds and allow for players to experience them together. The closet game I've played that has even come close to this idea is borderlands, but at the same time it is lacking in a lot of key areas, as it was designed for multiplayer game play in mind, and the world leaves much to be desired, to name a few.

Does tes need to be multiplayer? No. It's a sound game being single player alone. Would multiplayer destroy the game? I highly doubt it, so long as the game is still geared toward single player and co-op is an addition onto the basic concept design, and so long as it is not forced on others who would otherwise not partake in it. Also the incentive of playing in such a way should be merely for the benefit of doing it. i.e the task in the reward. I similarly don't see how a tes mmo can be made and retain more than just a lore background from the orignal series, unless either zenimax are brilliant innovators or that this mmo will be of a far different flavor of what we've every seen before.


On just a side note as this is something that has crossed my mind on occasion. Competitive multiplayer games are always shooters of some kind. I have yet to see a game where competitive multiplayer was a considerable portion of the games content, to feature medieval/fantasy like content(though a couple of half life mods have come up that do this, those don't really count), at least in a way similar to tes, fable(the original) dragon age and the like, and not even anything akin to diablo, never winters night, baldurs gate etc. again just food for thought even though slightly off topic, the fact still remains.

Surely will not be the Bethesda that will make an MMO. But other subsidiary of ZeniMax, the ZeniMax Online Studios, seems to be working on something big. It seems that it recently hired new people to make the team. http://www.linkedin.com/company/zenimax-online-studios

First i would like to say that from reading every post in this thread i think that pretty much all of you have very good points as to why MP/MMO should or should not be included/added to the TES series.

Secondly i will outright state that although i DO wish for the day a TES Co-Op comes out, i beleive the fact that V - Skyrim will NOT contain any form of Multiplayer.

Now that those two statements are out of the way i can begin...

First i shall address those who beleive MP will "ruin/destroy" TES:
I can totally understand your fears. When you hear MMO you probably immediatly think of WoW or some online FPS game, then you think of players running around in their underwear, jumping up and down for no reason and shouting "Your Mom". And i would agree that would personally destroy my immersion into the game. As an avid WoW player myself, even playing on RP realms i have to daily ignore those imbiciles who go out of their way to be complete [Expletive]s while i'm trying to enjoy my game. And if (hypothetically) there was a TES MMO, and it had voice chat or a chat box on screen, it would probably ruin your experience/enjoyment to read or hear someone say "OMG my cat just puked everywhere!"

BUT!

In an ideal world... (my ideal world (my hypothetical TES MMO world)) if you had the chance to ONLY play with those people you know and trust to behave and not ruin your experience... would you really turn that down? If you were able to enjoy everything you enjoy in SP but have a friend come along... with no dire consequences or balancing issues... would you really just say "sorry you're ruining my game by just being here"


I pose the question like this because i hear you all worrying about it destroying TES Lore.. and i can't see it.

I CAN however see what you are saying about time/money restraints on the company making it, and i can understand you don't want some random nutjob popping into your face, shouting abuse for no reason and then stabbing you just because he can.


Onwards to those of you worried about ruining your Roleplaying experience:
I personally, find it very difficult to RP on my own. Unless you consider just playing the game as RPing. Maybe because i've only really RPed on the forums here or on WoW, but i find that the more people i am playing with only increases my RPing experience. More players adds more depth, flavor and ideas that talking to the same 500+ NPCs can never do. Once i've completely gone through someones dialogue tree, thats it... i never need to listen to them again, and there is only so many NPCs in a game. Once i've talked to them all, and read all the books in game.. where to i go for intellectual input? You know what i do? I come here and talk with real people about it, and i even RP here with real people.

In MY opinion, more people = more roleplay ability.

*end rant*


And just so that i don't seem one sided i will now aim my face at those who do want some form of MP:
Although i am more or less totally with you on this point, alot of you tend to be repeating the same things (which might happen if you just post without reading what others put) Yes MP or MMO TES would be neat-o. But... as many people have already put, to add that to an already well established game series would take a considerable amount of time and money that most companies just don't have. Not only that but because Bethesda are already extremely amazing at making SP games, for them to just switch it up and attempt a MP game would be a bit like an electrician trying to install a toilet. It would work up to a point, but in the end it'll just be full of crap... >_> ahem...




Lastly, to summarize....

Me and a few of my friends have been huge TES fans since we heard of the series and started playing morrowind. We have each put maybe 2000+ hours into both morrowind and oblivion, we each have different gaming preferences, mine lies in RPG's, one of my friends loves FPS (both online and offline) and the other loves sports games. And yet we all love TES games. And we all agree that having a TES Multiplayer would just.... kill us all with excitement. There are times when you are playing a SP game and you're really into it, so much so that you don't want to put it down. Then your friend comes over, unannounced. Then he/she sits there and watches you kill things... in silence... for a while... until they start to hint that they'd like to do something else... and then you have to save and exit..... That personally ruins TES for me... because i have to stop... before i'm ready to. Either that or risk losing my friendship.

IMO it would be awesome if instead i could just hand them a controller and they could jump in. Best example of that in my mind would be Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance. While playing SP, at any time you could just hit start on the 2nd controller, load up your character and be in game. (And i realise i'm going to get flamed by people saying "that ruins my experience because in real life people don't just appear out of nowhere"... my response being... what if they just so happened to be in the same area and you bumped into each other.... happy now?) ^_^


okay okay... end rant... too much coffee.... i've only got an hour left on my night shift so this will have to do...

Hope this is food for thought and not just... well... you know....

EDIT!!!! : Oh btw... The thing that really sells me on a game, is customization, and getting your character to look and feel just how you want it. Which is why i wasn't a fan of Fable 2's Co-Op... unless i was the main character.... Who want's to jump in as a generic, storyless... uncustomizable henchman who looks like he fell out the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.....

Not me...

EDIT!!!!!!EDIT??????: oh and i also realise that i have been quite self contradictory... but i just was getting fed up with all these Black and White opinions.... time to add some grey midtones..

- KK out...

ONLY if they have the time, resources and money to do so without compromising any of the single player content planned, and then ONLY Co Op. :wink_smile: