Official Fallout 4 Location Suggestions #2 : Fallout Series Discussion

» Sun May 08, 2011 11:19 pm

Fallout is America. Don't get me wrong. I'm not american so don't care much about their patriotic feelings and stuff like that. But Fallout is based on an universe that deviated from ours in the 50s. And that universe turn out like the american view of those times, everything powered by atomic energy, a robot in every house, an obsessive fear of communism etc. So it makes sense that a game taking place in an universe defined by american views be centered on the USA.

Anyway, my choice for Fallout 4 is Chicago. You have a BoS base there afaik, an Enclave base (ED-E recording) and you can implement what New Vegas missed from New Reno, crime families with tons of quests. New Reno was by far my favorite city in Fallout 2 and while FNV is a very good game I think New Vegas falls a bit short. I believe the engine played a big part in this.

» Mon May 09, 2011 7:15 am

No really why does no one want the south as a game

It isn't that nobody wants it. I've seen it suggested tons of times before. It's just that people seem more focused on suggesting exotic locations in random countries then they are on suggesting locations in the US.

The south really hasn't even been mentioned in any canon Fallout game, and it's a very large unexplored area for the series. So you can be sure we'll see a DLC or game set there eventually. It's only a matter of time.

» Sun May 08, 2011 11:32 pm

I think only big cities, or globally notable cities, and always cities in the US will be the location chosen.

That would leave out Minneapolis, because there is no non-US recognition towards it. Washington and Vegas are small in terms of population, but are globally notable.

The only possible locations I can consider are:
San Francisco
Los Angeles
New York
Chicago (funny this one rarely comes up)

And also, I think people are ready for a snowey and winter setting. (Though Beth may already use this in TES:V).

I agree with mr. hiroshima except for Chicago. I've been there and I know the city has lots of unique character, but it's just not iconic enough in my opinion unless someone writes an amazing story tailored for that city.

I would add New Orleans, although swampy areas outside of the city would overlap a bit with the Point Lookout DLC.

I think it has to stay within the US to keep the "Americana"/cold war feel as someone else suggested here on this thread. Canada does not work.

There are lots of other great cities, but they are simply not iconic enough or not well known outside the US. Any cities in the south where people have a southern accent would have some hurdles differentiating from Point Lookout. Miami could be interesting, but the tone just seems not quite right for the Fallout series. New Jersey, boston, etc., these new england areas do not work unless they are considered outskirts of New York

If the west coast was already explored in FO1 or FO2, that is no problem at all because we are talking about breathing new life into those settings with 2011 graphics.

I think with the west coast you have great possibilities for DLCs, potentially extending all the way from San Diego north to the bay area.

» Mon May 09, 2011 12:38 am

It isn't that nobody wants it. I've seen it suggested tons of times before. It's just that people seem more focused on suggesting exotic locations in random countries then they are on suggesting locations in the US.

The south really hasn't even been mentioned in any canon Fallout game, and it's a very large unexplored area for the series. So you can be sure we'll see a DLC or game set there eventually. It's only a matter of time.

Well heres my Idea for

Fallout
The Southern Capital

For the next fallout in the big consul series I was hoping for a fallout in the south. I was hoping to see what happened in the south. Did it survive, Did it return to what it once was, DID THE CATFISH MIRELURKS TAKE OVER.
To me the very next Fallout game sould take place in the south. Its the only place in america where things havent been shown and would be a great way to tell more story being that majority of Americas best fighters are in the south.
I even have a few monster Ideas

catfish mirelurk
There just as strong as the Super mutant overlord How ever they only attack if you attack first. Rarely alone as they hunt in packs of 4. You first see them when fighting a mirelurk and it runs off after seeing one of these beast right behind you.

Talking deathclaw
These creatures are strait from the west. They live in a small village out side Atlanta. They unlike most deathclaws are nice and only eat Brahmin. They are the biggest farmers of these creatures in the eastern part of the U.S. of A. You will see that most of there meat stock is only 1 headed. They milk the ones with 2 heads.

Hounds
While most dogs in the waist land are radiated and very mean the hound dogs of the south were protected for hunting purposes in case the vaults opened.

The red Arrows
A faction only seen in the south that are made up of animal tamers (Humans), Talking deathclaw's, and the beast tamed by them. You will see they have captured a large amount of beast and show some off. They have plans to go north and take over (which they have the man power for) but they think its best for them to send a message first. There like Brotherhood of Steel but instead of machines they use animals. They are much stronger then the Brotherhood of Steel but aren't as spread out as them showing they aren't good with communication.

I hope you like my Ideas for creatures and hope you want a fallout in the south
as much as I

being that Atlanta is the capital of the south I was shocked to see no one has thought of it.

(Also catfish mirelurks and talking death claws would not be new as if you played Fallout 1 you would see the 2 doing a quest)

» Mon May 09, 2011 10:00 am

I want to say Texas because it's where I'm from, but it would probably resemble NV too much. I think a rural, densly forested area would be cool and provide a good contrast to the current games, like somewhere in the northwest; Oregon or Washington or even western Canada.

» Mon May 09, 2011 2:10 am

I know there are various Fallout 4 topics and 'what would you like to see' threads, but I've never seen anyone asking for a UK Fallout.

I'm not overly sure of the backstory of the UK, all I remember hearing is that Europe split into 'city-states' and went feudal between themselves. With the UK being bestest buddies with the US (I assume it was similar in the Fallout universe), did the Chinese attack us just to get us out the way? or were we spared most of the bombs?

Obviously, even if the UK was spared the bombs, we'd have still suffered the fallout, nuclear winter, and so forth. Were there Vaults in the UK? I would guess there was at least one in (or near) London for the Prime Minister. Would we have super mutants? (I would doubt it, but hey, who knows!)

What about the rest of the country? Birmingham (the 2nd biggest population centre outside of London)? Wales - lots of countryside, hills, open ground with lots of small settlements, villages and the like.

Scotland? Massive hills, lots of place for underground vaults, vaults built into the hillside, possible lots of wild animals/mutant animals roaming the countryside...

So, other ideas? (Especially from UK players!!)

This simply because I find the statement of "It must be in America because of the Americana feel and a universe that diverged in the 50's"

Poppycock....it could just as easily be based anywhere...every culture had a distinctive feel. A divergent (or resurgent) Britain could be very interesting.
John Bull needs YOU! Restore the Empire.

Ditto for France, Germany, Russia, China et al.

Won't happen of course. Programming team and publisher are American...so it will be based somewhere in the States.

» Mon May 09, 2011 9:57 am

I know there are various Fallout 4 topics and 'what would you like to see' threads, but I've never seen anyone asking for a UK Fallout.

I'm not overly sure of the backstory of the UK, all I remember hearing is that Europe split into 'city-states' and went feudal between themselves. With the UK being bestest buddies with the US (I assume it was similar in the Fallout universe), did the Chinese attack us just to get us out the way? or were we spared most of the bombs?

Obviously, even if the UK was spared the bombs, we'd have still suffered the fallout, nuclear winter, and so forth. Were there Vaults in the UK? I would guess there was at least one in (or near) London for the Prime Minister. Would we have super mutants? (I would doubt it, but hey, who knows!)

What about the rest of the country? Birmingham (the 2nd biggest population centre outside of London)? Wales - lots of countryside, hills, open ground with lots of small settlements, villages and the like.

Scotland? Massive hills, lots of place for underground vaults, vaults built into the hillside, possible lots of wild animals/mutant animals roaming the countryside...

So, other ideas? (Especially from UK players!!)

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» Mon May 09, 2011 7:46 am

This simply because I find the statement of "It must be in America because of the Americana feel and a universe that diverged in the 50's"

Poppycock....it could just as easily be based anywhere...every culture had a distinctive feel. A divergent (or resurgent) Britain could be very interesting.
John Bull needs YOU! Restore the Empire.

Ditto for France, Germany, Russia, China et al.

Won't happen of course. Programming team and publisher are American...so it will be based somewhere in the States.

The fact the team is American isn't the reason it's in America. The German Crytek had their Far Cry hero be American, Ubisoft, which is mostly French, has nearly all their games take place from an American perspective. (Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six, etc...)

Fallout should always be in America, because that's what it is meant for. It's more then just "Hey let's apply a post-apocalyptic theme to this well known location and see what it looks like", cause then it might as well take place in South Africa. America is an essential part of the canon.

That said, I would like to hear more suggestive lore about what's going on elsewhere. Also, I think it's possible for some foreign country to attempt an invasion in America, like the Brits, the Japanese, or some other superpower which could feasibly have rebuilt. Just don't have the game take place in London, Paris, Berlin, or whatever. Just wouldn't be right.

» Mon May 09, 2011 11:49 am

I guess the Idea was ignored

and also The reason why the rest of the world isn't shown is because they did not have vaults. America made them a head of time knowing a war was going to happen and when the rest of the world started it was to late. Basically the world got blown to bits while America put up a shield.

There are books you can find that clearly state this in fallout 1

so really keeping it in America is just cannon

» Mon May 09, 2011 1:14 pm

I guess the Idea was ignored

and also The reason why the rest of the world isn't shown is because they did not have vaults. America made them a head of time knowing a war was going to happen and when the rest of the world started it was to late. Basically the world got blown to bits while America put up a shield.

There are books you can find that clearly state this in fallout 1

so really keeping it in America is just cannon

Awfully large American presence in Western Europe post WWII pre universe divergence. Plus to think that a country such as Britain would not have vaults (there was, and still is a rather large subterranean network of tunnels and military facilities under London dating from WWII onwards) or an inkling of what was coming ?

It's nothing to do with canon. It's to do with playing safe on brand recognition and sales.

The days of "innovation" in games programming are long dead. All hail the corporate sales agenda.

In saying that, never expected Bethesda to take it outside the box. Enjoy the games anyway.

The fact the team is American isn't the reason it's in America. The German Crytek had their Far Cry hero be American, Ubisoft, which is mostly French, has nearly all their games take place from an American perspective. (Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six, etc...)

Fallout should always be in America, because that's what it is meant for. It's more then just "Hey let's apply a post-apocalyptic theme to this well known location and see what it looks like", cause then it might as well take place in South Africa. America is an essential part of the canon.

That said, I would like to hear more suggestive lore about what's going on elsewhere. Also, I think it's possible for some foreign country to attempt an invasion in America, like the Brits, the Japanese, or some other superpower which could feasibly have rebuilt. Just don't have the game take place in London, Paris, Berlin, or whatever. Just wouldn't be right.

The reason the setting is American in those games ? Sales target......

Simplified reasoning doesn't change the fact that the "theme" is a divergent timeline. Seeing what arose from the ashes using a perspective other than the American one would be interesting. Hell, view it from an "American" viewpoint using the main character as a descendant of an American serviceman stranded in . A mix of 50's Americana and wherever.
The problem is as I said not in the envisioning. The problem is the "risk" in the marketplace.

» Mon May 09, 2011 11:29 am

Honestly, Atlanta GA or Miami FL would be the best to me. The Southern US has hardly even been mentioned in the series lore, if at all. The Commonwealth is a wonderful place to think about, but as small as the MIT Campus is compared to the full worlds that are developed in games now, it seems best left to some type of DLC.

To anyone that thinks that could be a problem, you have to think about new mythology for the series. If it IS set in the southern US (OR someplace where specific lore is not established) there could still be working airplanes. Not to mention if it is placed somewhere that we dont know much about post-war, the devs could create something we dont see coming. The BoS have been around since the original (evne in NV, ugh), so if it was placed somewhere we dont know much about, new factions, equipment, weapons, and creatures and enemeis could be developed. It would be the best thing since sliced bread (ie: Fallout 3 making strides over the originals)

» Mon May 09, 2011 2:23 pm

Awfully large American presence in Western Europe post WWII pre universe divergence. Plus to think that a country such as Britain would not have vaults (there was, and still is a rather large subterranean network of tunnels and military facilities under London dating from WWII onwards) or an inkling of what was coming ?

It's nothing to do with canon. It's to do with playing safe on brand recognition and sales.

The days of "innovation" in games programming are long dead. All hail the corporate sales agenda.

In saying that, never expected Bethesda to take it outside the box. Enjoy the games anyway.

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The reason the setting is American in those games ? Sales target......

Simplified reasoning doesn't change the fact that the "theme" is a divergent timeline. Seeing what arose from the ashes using a perspective other than the American one would be interesting. Hell, view it from an "American" viewpoint using the main character as a descendant of an American serviceman stranded in . A mix of 50's Americana and wherever.
The problem is as I said not in the envisioning. The problem is the "risk" in the marketplace.

I don't see how you can draw such a big conclusion such as "game innovation" being dead, just because Fallout should stay in America.

You throw around words like sales target and marketplace risk as if you understand them but I don't think you do entirely.

A Fallout set outside America would actually make an excellent USP down the road when we've had at least two more Fallouts in America. Going somewhere expected is just one of the bags of tricks when looking for a USP. (For F:NV it was "Hey people we've got faction focus this time AND gambling!!!")

Really, Bethesda could easily make a Fallout outside of America and have their reps. explain it in a bunch of shill interviews with the gaming sites.

[Bethesda rep.] "We're really excited about this upcoming Fallout game because we've really gotten the chance to go into some unexplored territory untouched by previous games in the series."

So, keeping it America is, from my view, more a show of integrity and respect to the series heritage rather then a conservative economic choice.

@ EatsDaWolf

No one in Europe knows where Atlanta is. MIT is just a small part of Boston. Boston is big. Miami could work though, in my opinion.

» Mon May 09, 2011 4:46 am

1. how the hell do you not know Atlanta it has the worlds largest airport
It is the southern capital
and it deserves the right to have a game of it.

2.Just wondering but have you played fallout one because there are books you can find telling you why it wouldn't be in a other country

» Mon May 09, 2011 7:04 am

1. how the hell do you not know Atlanta it has the worlds largest airport
It is the southern capital
and it deserves the right to have a game of it.

2.Just wondering but have you played fallout one because there are books you can find telling you why it wouldn't be in a other country

Airports, however large, aren't really that special.
Atlanta being the US Southern Capital is about as relevant as Munchen being the Southern Capital of Germany, or Marseille of France.
Stating a premise without any argument for it doesn't really carry much weight; "grass has the right to have a game of it".

Really, I used to confuse Atlanta with Atlantic City (from Boardwalk Empire), while AC has maybe 1/10th the population.

People outside of the USA, I can confidently say, and I'd even argue a decent amount of people inside the USA as well have no mental picture of Atlanta, no associated landmarks or special features, it's just a name.

D.C.; Pentagon, White House, Lincon Memorial
Ronto; Niagra Falls, CN Tower
San Francisco; Big Triangular Tower thing, Golden Gate Bridge
New York; too much to mention

and so on...

Atlanta; ... durp

/pretentiousness

» Mon May 09, 2011 4:10 am

Air ports control the majority of the trade in the world. If it wasn't for them we would have little money gaining.
So yes they are a big deal

Atlanta also has some of the most advanced military training sights making it a great way to start a new Faction in fallout

There are many animals that could be used as new enemies.

The soil here is very rich for farming and could easily be repaired if a nuclear was contaminated it.

Georgia Dome would be a great location seeing as Fallout takes place in America and Baseball is Americas past time.

Martin Luther King, Jr. National Historic Site could also be interesting.

Oh the Big chicken would be funny to see in the game to lol.

There are tons of reasons why it sould be in Atlanta. So why not.

» Mon May 09, 2011 3:48 am

Spoiler

The Commonwealth is a country located in the area of what was once the pre-war state of Massachusetts. It is a war-ravaged quagmire of violence and despair. The sealed environment of The Institute, however, is another story. The Institute (what was most likely the Massachusetts Institute of Technology before the war) has produced highly advanced technology far beyond the realm of anything known to have existed before the great war. One of their achievements is the creation of androids, or Synths as they are also called, which are so similar to humans that they can even eat and digest food realistically. They have no rights and are considered no more than machines by the Commonwealth, and are often used as slaves.

There is special branch of the Commonwealth Police called the Synth Retention Bureau. It is tasked with recovering synths that attempt to escape from their Commonwealth-imposed slavery. The most advanced synthetic humanoid ever created by The Institute as of 2277 worked for the SRB before attempting to escape himself after sympathizing with the synths he captured. This synth's designation was A3-21, or Harkness as he would later come to call himself. He was so advanced that unlike older models that could easily be replaced, it would take years to recreate him if he was to successfully escape. The synths working at the SRB are told that the those who try to escape are simply malfunctioning, when in actuality their complex AI has allowed them to start thinking for themselves. The synths that Harkness captured filled his head with ideas about self-determination and freedom, contributing to his decision to escape. “Self determination is NOT a malfunction,” Harkness would say in a holotape before escaping.

The Railroad helped Harkness escape to the Capital Wasteland. The Railroad's mission is the rescue and salvation of synthetic humanoids. There he went to Rivet City and found someone to perform facial reconstruction on him, to change his voice and to erase his memory so he could start a new life. The Commonwealth sent the SRB to go looking for him, and the heat was so bad that The Railroad had to shut down, presumably temporarily. The government of the Commonwealth insisted that the whole thing was a hoax, and many believed the Commonwealth's cover-up. The resolution of these events and what happened afterward is unknown as the player character in Fallout 3 had various ways to finish this quest.

Blade Runner

Ambiguity about the pc's own history and their great achievements might lead some to wonder whether they're a synthetic, or if it really matters. As long as Bethesda's influence doesn't become their inspiration.

» Mon May 09, 2011 5:29 am

NEW JERSEY and NEW YORK

C'mon already. NY has subways and NJ is a Toxic Waste Land as it is. I live in NJ and I can list a few super fund sites off the top of my head can anyone say Dupont?

We need more stuff on the east and NY, NJ is ideal.

» Mon May 09, 2011 12:25 am

I'd like to see Kentucky. Two interesting spots to have could be Fort Knox and the Kentucky Derby. Yes, horses haven't shown up in Fallout, but they can be seen in the graphic novel "All Roads" and Bethesda could use this to mention that some horses survived the Great War. I wouldn't wish for them to be rideable unless the vehicle system is fixed for Bethesda's games, but they would be interesting to see. If not horses, then perhaps a different animal filling the tracks, or the derby track could be used as the base of a faction.

Fort Knox on the other hand could hold the AER12 prototype, which used gold instead of titanium alloys. It'd also be pretty interesting to see what became of the fort after the great war.

Another possibility could be New Mexico and we could bring in Van Buren's "Reservation", a faction of "smooth-skin" hating ghouls. Would be awesome to see something similar to the Boomers but with the ghouls having an arsenal of nuclear weaponry.

» Mon May 09, 2011 4:38 am

I'd like to see Kentucky. Two interesting spots to have could be Fort Knox and the Kentucky Derby. Yes, horses haven't shown up in Fallout, but they can be seen in the graphic novel "All Roads" and Bethesda could use this to mention that some horses survived the Great War. I wouldn't wish for them to be rideable unless the vehicle system is fixed for Bethesda's games, but they would be interesting to see. If not horses, then perhaps a different animal filling the tracks, or the derby track could be used as the base of a faction.

Fort Knox on the other hand could hold the AER12 prototype, which used gold instead of titanium alloys. It'd also be pretty interesting to see what became of the fort after the great war.

As a Kentuckian i would love that.

especially if they included my neighborhood.

but i think the next fallout should be set anywhere in the south

states that could work-Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana. South Carolina

of course the game would go on in that state and the state surrounding.

it would be a cool setting.

there could be swamps, withered forests, plantations, suburbs, military bases, the Appalachian mountains.

it doesnt seem like a priority target for the Chinese so the local flora could remain somewhat intact.

there could be cool new mutants. Rad gators comes to mind instantly.

it just seems like an area that the hasn't been brought up much in fallout, and something i would like to see.

» Mon May 09, 2011 9:23 am

The places I'd like to see are 1: the Commonwealth, and 2: Canada. Though I'd be happy anywhere as long as it isn't New York.

» Mon May 09, 2011 2:04 pm

As a Kentuckian i would love that.

especially if they included my neighborhood.

but i think the next fallout should be set anywhere in the south

states that could work-Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana. South Carolina

of course the game would go on in that state and the state surrounding.

it would be a cool setting.

there could be swamps, withered forests, plantations, suburbs, military bases, the Appalachian mountains.

it doesnt seem like a priority target for the Chinese so the local flora could remain somewhat intact.

there could be cool new mutants. Rad gators comes to mind instantly.

it just seems like an area that the hasn't been brought up much in fallout, and something i would like to see.

I agree on page 3 I think there are some great Ideas for Fallout Atlanta.

» Mon May 09, 2011 9:53 am

Blade Runner

Ambiguity about the pc's own history and their great achievements might lead some to wonder whether they're a synthetic, or if it really matters. As long as Bethesda's influence doesn't become their inspiration.

Yep the Blade Runner influence is pretty obvious, but that doesn't exclude it as an interesting setting. From what we've seen androids in the Commonwealth know they're androids, so I don't think we'll run into people wondering whether they're one or not. The only reason Harkness didn't know is because his memory was wiped.

» Mon May 09, 2011 12:57 pm

this thread sould seriously be pinned instead of just a free fall thread.

» Mon May 09, 2011 2:25 pm

Chicago -

Great lakes
Possible snow
Large city area
New, unheard of factions
Depressing, gloomy, lonesome setting (AKA not new veg.)
Possible rain
Cool stuff

» Mon May 09, 2011 1:47 pm

Air ports control the majority of the trade in the world. If it wasn't for them we would have little money gaining.
So yes they are a big deal

Atlanta also has some of the most advanced military training sights making it a great way to start a new Faction in fallout

There are many animals that could be used as new enemies.

The soil here is very rich for farming and could easily be repaired if a nuclear was contaminated it.

Georgia Dome would be a great location seeing as Fallout takes place in America and Baseball is Americas past time.

Martin Luther King, Jr. National Historic Site could also be interesting.

Oh the Big chicken would be funny to see in the game to lol.

There are tons of reasons why it sould be in Atlanta. So why not.

You forgot the Coca Cola bottling plant, Turner field, the uhh ... airport.

Hail Atlanta!