[Philip Lyon]

could we imagine that zenimax is building the elder scrolls V's world....and bethesda will adapt gameplay + quests for single player RPG !!
so they could share the cost of game development !!!

anyway...just a thought !!! :read::blush:

[Anthony Diaz]

Why would a MMO being set 200 years in the future make more sense than TESV being set 200 years in the future? I don't see how that makes you think it's the MMO.

As for the book, it will obviously be out before TES V, as no matter when TES V takes place, it will take place after the events of both books.

I'm saying that would vouch for TES V.

But, the court findings are troubling, and even though Bethesda "doesn't make MMOs", and you believe that TES V is the next game in the series, is it coincidence that court transcripts state that an MMO has been in the works since 2006? Skyrim trademarked in 2006? Mind you Bethesda was represented in court as Bethesda, not Zenimax. Or are they working on a simultaneous release? Bethesda doesn't have to follow their past release patterns. An MMO could definitely alter any release pattern.

[Portions]

I'm saying that would vouch for TES V.

But, the court findings are troubling, and even though Bethesda "doesn't make MMOs", and you believe that TES V is the next game in the series, is it coincidence that court transcripts state that an MMO has been in the works since 2006? Skyrim trademarked in 2006? Mind you Bethesda was represented in court as Bethesda, not Zenimax.

Bethesda Softworks is a sister company of Zenimax Online, and Bethesda Softworks, being Zenimax's only publisher, will very likely be publishing the MMO. So it makes perfect sense for them to say that they have been working on a MMO, because they were, it's just that Zenimax Online was, not Bethesda Game Studios. And Bethesda Game Studios wasn't the one in court, Bethesda Softworks was. Is it coincidence that court transcripts state that an MMO has been in the works since 2006? Oblivion was released in 2006, was it not?

[Jinx Sykes]

Look guys, figure this.

Things we know for fact about TESV:

It will eventually be made.

Okay done. Things we know for fact about this TESMMO:

Okay done. See, it's a rumor by some random journalist that had nothing to do with the topic at hand. So please, it's a waste of time even in it's own thread.

[Ludivine Poussineau]

Bethesda Softworks is a sister company of Zenimax Online, and Bethesda Softworks, being Zenimax's only publisher, will very likely be publishing the MMO. So it makes perfect sense for them to say that they have been working on a MMO, because they were, it's just that Zenimax Online was, not Bethesda Game Studios. And Bethesda Game Studios wasn't the one in court, Bethesda Softworks was. Is it coincidence that court transcripts state that an MMO has been in the works since 2006? Oblivion was released in 2006, was it not?

Correct, and that is a great point as well. But my question is, what are the chances that 2 ES games are in development? Would this be beneficial to Zenimax/Bethesda as a whole?

[Kayla Bee]

If there is an MMO in development, it is not being made by Bethesda. That much is a fact (because it couldn't have been in production since 2006 if Bethesda was making Fallout 3).

As for there being two TES games, I don't see why not. Final Fantasy made an MMO and still produced their single player games.

[hannaH]

ESV will most likely be 200 years after Oblivion, not the supposed ES MMO, because the little blip in the review copy of The Infernal City states this:

"This completely original tie-in novel will bridge the time period between the fourth and (upcoming) fifth games in the series, and is sure to be a major hit." Then it says further down, "...and partly bridges the gap for the next game, which is set 200 years after the Oblivion crisis."

This is clearly stating the fifth game in the current series. Not a spin-off MMO.

[Emily Graham]

I think someone stated here earlier that Skyrim was not trademarked as an MMO, so it has to be a single player game.

[Emzy Baby!]

I think someone stated here earlier that Skyrim was not trademarked as an MMO, so it has to be a single player game.

And for the reason the Skyrims were trademarked before Zenimax Online was even formed.

Conclusion: Skyrim is not the MMO.

[Daniel Holgate]

I think someone stated here earlier that Skyrim was not trademarked as an MMO, so it has to be a single player game.

And for the reason the Skyrims were trademarked before Zenimax Online was even formed.

Conclusion: Skyrim is not the MMO.

Precisely. Thank you guys for clearing this up and I apologize for not being around during this little skirmish to defend reasonable truth.

mustaings10, we appreciate you offering information to add to the discussion and it's unfortunate how it was received. However, I have to side with everyone else in that your information, while titillating and seemingly accurate, is essentially unverifiable and therefore neither authoritative nor compelling. We strive hard for first-rate information (direct quotes from verifiable sources) only so that our conclusions are as iron-clad as possible.

[^_^]

I thirst for anything Elder Scrolls... Hopefully something will be released. I hope, I really do.

[Rachell Katherine]

Hello!

For the MMO, etc...

Before the tornado between antibody and mustang i've posted that (the links work now):

Skyrim like Oblivion is trademarked by Zenimax Media Inc. not by Bethesda Softworks LLC. The only game trademarked by Bethesda is Fallout.

However:

1)Skyrim is registered in the same sections as Morrowind and Oblivion under the class 009 and 041:

Morrowind: http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=76223577
Oblivion: http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=76504923
Skyrim: http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=77017500

2) Most of the MMOs are registered under the class 041, but the description is different:

World of Warcraft: http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78083850
Dark Age of Camelot: http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78095779

For Skyrim, it is wrote "Providing online computer games" and for most of the MMOs, it is wrote "interactive online computer games" or "global computer network" .

3) And if we look at the international trademark classification (named "Classification de Nice"), for the class 041, it is wrote "Services de jeu proposés en ligne à partir d'un réseau informatique".

Link: http://www.inpi.fr/fr/marques/boite-a-outils-marque/classification-de-nice.html

So, this class is relative to the online services and a game with this class is not necessarily a MMO.

Maybe this things will help us to say that the skyrim trademark is not intended to be a MMO...

[Beth Belcher]

If you want my real opinion, Skyrim trademark is the MMO, and with the recent activity WRT the trademark, will be announced at E3. The court transcripts between interplay and Bethesda, development on the game has apparently been ongoing since late 2006, with “tens of millions of dollars” invested and “close to a hundred people” working on it, AND, papers filed in the court case between Interplay and Bethesda have mentioned a “World of Warcraft type MMO” by Bethesda. Bethesda tried to pull this info. When was the Skyrim name trademarked??? 2006. The comments last August, saying don't expect TES V for a while. It all really makes sense. This is the best opinion I can can form based on everything.

I completely and entirely agree

[Dale Johnson]

Hello!

For the MMO, etc...

Before the tornado between antibody and mustang i've posted that (the links work now):




Maybe this things will help us to say that the skyrim trademark is not intended to be a MMO...

Lol

[Kaley X]

I completely and entirely agree

:ahhh:

Lol

Why's it funny? He's correct. A little more than "lol" in the post might help us verify the point you're trying to get across.

[Josh Sabatini]

Before the tornado between antibody and mustang i've posted that (the links work now):

Lol

[Rich O'Brien]

I completely and entirely agree

You are completely and entirely misguided. Because Skyrim's trademark class does not cover MMO-type games, we can be very confident that Skyrim is NOT for Zenimax Online's MMO.

However, I think it deserves to be admitted that we are not absolutely certain that TES:V is in the works, or that the next game is even TES related. However, we have several pieces of good information that strongly suggests the next game is TES:V. Read the link in my signature for my reasoned argument for TES:V this summer. The first big giveaway is the name 'Skyrim' that is trademarked. Why hold onto and renew a trademark for several years if you're not going to use it? That alone strongly suggests that a TES game is in the works since it's the name of a province. The second big giveaway is The Infernal City's book gaffe which revealed that the books covered the 200 year gap between TES:IV and TES:V (which was also said to be coming in 2010).

It is for these two main reasons that we can be confident that TES:V is in development. While it is possible the game could be something else, that seems highly unlikely.

[ANaIs GRelot]

You are completely and entirely misguided. Because Skyrim's trademark class does not cover MMO-type games, we can be very confident that Skyrim is NOT for Zenimax Online's MMO.

However, I think it deserves to be admitted that we are not absolutely certain that TES:V is in the works, or that the next game is even TES related. However, we have several pieces of good information that strongly suggests the next game is TES:V. Read the link in my signature for my reasoned argument for TES:V this summer. The first big giveaway is the name 'Skyrim' that is trademarked. Why hold onto and renew a trademark for several years if you're not going to use it? That alone strongly suggests that a TES game is in the works since it's the name of a province. The second big giveaway is The Infernal City's book gaffe which revealed that the books covered the 200 year gap between TES:IV and TES:V (which was also said to be coming in 2010).

It is for these two main reasons that we can be confident that TES:V is in development. While it is possible the game could be something else, that seems highly unlikely.

Your summer release post is definitely convincing. There are too many Slips (Like the Reviewer's book), and too much action WRT the trademark and books, etc... for something not to be up. Did the book actually say "to be coming in 2010"? If then, we can def expect this to be TES V w/ an announcement at E3.

[Shae Munro]

:ahhh:


Why's it funny? He's correct. A little more than "lol" in the post might help us verify the point you're trying to get across.

OK...

I'm still hung up on the fact that TES V AND an MMO are being worked on, with the same timetable, and the same target release date. Something is off there, and right now, we have a lot of proof for an MMO out there. Now I know that it doesn't fit with the trademark, so that is conflicting with the MMO idea. At this point, there are way too many "If"s for anyone to confidentially predict that this game is TES V vs an MMO. That's all I'm saying.

[Lucky Boy]

OK...

I'm still hung up on the fact that TES V AND an MMO are being worked on, with the same timetable, and the same target release date. Something is off there, and right now, we have a lot of proof for an MMO out there. Now I know that it doesn't fit with the trademark, so that is conflicting with the MMO idea. At this point, there are way too many "If"s for anyone to confidentially predict that this game is TES V vs an MMO.

Same timetable and release date? That's a huge jump to a conclusion considering we know very little in regards to where BGS is in terms of development and where Zenimax Online is in terms of their development, not to mention that neither has actually announced the project that they're working on.

Also, the only real "proof" regarding Zenimax's MMO are the court documents and even those aren't nearly specific enough to assume that they're TES related.

[Emily Jeffs]

Your summer release post is definitely convincing. There are too many Slips (Like the Reviewer's book), and too much action WRT the trademark and books, etc... for something not to be up. Did the book actually say "to be coming in 2010"? If then, we can def expect this to be TES V w/ an announcement at E3.

Yes, it said 2010, but I really don't think that's going to happen. They probably got that from Paul Oughton, but as for the 200 years thing, that's really specific. I doubt the publisher of the book would randomly pull that out of thin air. It probably came from Bethesda Game Studios. Then, after Waterstones and Amazon put the 200 years blip in the Infernal City description online, it was quietly and quickly removed.

[jasminε]

As far as the MMO is concerned:

A. We know that Zenimax Online is using one of Bethesda's IPs for it's MMO. http://www.zenimaxonline.com/faq.html

B. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethesda_Softworks#Games_developed_by_Bethesda In the last decade, they've made games for a few series, namely Fallout, The Elder Scrolls, IHRA Drag Racing, and PBA Tour Bowling.

C. Most games in the IHRA Drag Racing and PBA Tour Bowling series got anywhere from mediocre to horrible review scores, and they certainly aren't well known. That leaves The Elder Scrolls and Fallout.

D. Bethesda said in court that they aren't working on a Fallout MMO, and if I recall correctly it was under oath. Look at the court records on Duck and Cover to see for yourself. Besides, Zenimax Online was formed before Fallout 3 was even released, so they would be taking a big risk by making an MMO for it before Fallout 3 was even out yet.

So that just leaves one IP left, The Elder Scrolls. And unless they're working on a brand new IP and the whole thing about "one of gaming's best known IPs" is a lie, it's the only thing that makes sense.

[Hairul Hafis]

Same timetable and release date? That's a huge jump to a conclusion considering we know very little in regards to where BGS is in terms of development and where Zenimax Online is in terms of their development, not to mention that neither has actually announced the project that they're working on.

Also, the only real "proof" regarding Zenimax's MMO are the court documents and even those aren't nearly specific enough to assume that they're TES related.

Well the court transcripts said work began in late 2006, with a 4 year release schedule...

[ruCkii]

Well the court transcripts said work began in late 2006, with a 4 year release schedule...

Am i the only person who acknowledges that Fallout 3 was made, so they couldn't have started work on TES V as soon as they released oblivion?

[Jeff Tingler]

Am i the only person who acknowledges that Fallout 3 was made, so they couldn't have started work on TES V as soon as they released oblivion?

I remember reading that 50%of the team was working on Fallout, 25% on Oblivion DLC, and 25% on a new title.(Hopefully TES V)