[Amanda Leis]

Even if the http://www.vg247.com/2010/01/20/source-bethesdas-elder-scrolls-mmo-missed-its-2009-reveal/ has nothing to do with Bethesda, I doubt they would release ANOTHER TES game while that game was in its prime.

There's nothing stopping them from releasing the MMO and TES V a year apart. If the MMO comes out in 2011, they can release TES V in 2012 with no negative effects for the sales of either game.

[Zosia Cetnar]

I don't think we see Elder Scrolls V for another 2-3 years:

We have an ES MMO that should be revealed very soon, most likely at E3 2010. I doubt they're going to announce or release a conflicting ES game in the same time period.

Read my sig for compelling evidence why we can expect TES:V to be announced this summer.

[Kevan Olson]

If they are working on an MMO it would be in their best interest to release it after TES V. If it came out a year after TES V than most people would already be done with the game and ready for some more Scrolls.

[Chris BEvan]

There's nothing stopping them from releasing the MMO and TES V a year apart. If the MMO comes out in 2011, they can release TES V in 2012 with no negative effects for the sales of either game.

Case-in-point: Call of Duty franchise... i know that's activision, but they seem to benefit from it quite well.

[Mariaa EM.]

Those MMO rumors have no place in this thread. Bethesda Game Studios makes single player games and it is Zenimax Online that makes multiplayer online games. Besides, there is hardly any evidence at all that an MMO developed by ZO will have to be based on the Elder Scrolls universe.

[Reven Lord]

Hi everyone!

I re-post that:

Hurray!

There IS a new element:

Go there: http://tmportal.uspt...&TEXT=77044247#

Click on "Extension of Time to File SOU" with the date on the left "26-Jan-2010"


This is the uspto page for the Skyrim trademark concerning guides, manuals, magazines, etc. for video games.
It also concerns electronic on-line store (international class 035), but for this class, on the line "Goods or Services", it is not wrote "Keep All listed" like in the others pages named Extensions of Time to file SOU for that trademark. It is now wrote "DELETE ENTIRE CLASS OR PROCESS ACCORDING TO STATEMENT OF USE AND REQUEST TO DIVIDE "

What does it mean? I don't really speak English so i'm not sure, but is it possible that it means they've informed that they are going to use this part of the trademark and so they don't have to pay for this class?
This class concerns On-line Store and on the Elder Scrolls Website, the page OblivionDownload.com is down for maintenance: http://obliviondownloads.com/

What do you think of that?

I've searched what does mean "DELETE ENTIRE CLASS OR PROCESS ACCORDING TO STATEMENT OF USE AND REQUEST TO DIVIDE "
and i've found that: http://tess2.uspto.gov/tmdb/tmep/1100.htm#_T1110

Go to the section "1110.01 Application May be Divided", it is said: "An applicant may request division of an application for any reason. For example, in an intent-to-use application, the applicant may wish to proceed to publication or registration with the goods/services on or in connection with which the applicant has used the mark in commerce and retain an active intent-to-use application for any remaining goods/services."

Also, the store on Bethesda softworks website, as Obliviondownload.com, is temporarily closed because they have to upgrade it:

https://orders.gamesas.com/store/

I don't know what do you think about that, but, for me, it seems that the things are moving no?
Maybe they are preparing the store for some Skyrim products...

[Star Dunkels Macmillan]

:excl: I want TES:V :excl:

[Portions]

I've searched what does mean "DELETE ENTIRE CLASS OR PROCESS ACCORDING TO STATEMENT OF USE AND REQUEST TO DIVIDE "
and i've found that: http://tess2.uspto.gov/tmdb/tmep/1100.htm#_T1110

Go to the section "1110.01 Application May be Divided", it is said: "An applicant may request division of an application for any reason. For example, in an intent-to-use application, the applicant may wish to proceed to publication or registration with the goods/services on or in connection with which the applicant has used the mark in commerce and retain an active intent-to-use application for any remaining goods/services."

Also, the store on Bethesda softworks website, as Obliviondownload.com, is temporarily closed because they have to upgrade it:

https://orders.gamesas.com/store/

I don't know what do you think about that, but, for me, it seems that the things are moving no?
Maybe they are preparing the store for some Skyrim products...

This is an interesting find. I'm not exactly sure what it means, but "Intent to Use" is different than "Statement of Use". According to the law, once a trademark is deemed acceptable the owner has a limited amount of time to either: 1) prove its use in commerce or 2) file for an extension by providing proof of a genuine intent to use the trademark in commerce. I suspect what you've uncovered has to do with Zenimax's filing for their last extension, but it is tantalizing in that it supports my theory that they'll prove Skyrim's use in commerce by offering merchandise for sale when it is announced.

It seems that there could be more to this...

[josie treuberg]

The new generation definitely wont be coming out in 2012, or anytime early enough for TES V. The big 3 have said it and every anolyst I've seen has said it. Maybe 2013, but I can't see Bethesda delaying TES V just to launch it on a new console. Bethesda still has the ability to make TES V look great, the Xbox 360 isn't hampering the potential for great graphics. Consider how Oblivion looks and how http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/39148/metro-2033/images/metro-2033-20091201041459789.html?page=mediaFull looks on the Xbox 360. Hell, Crysis 2 is on consoles and it looks great. Bethesda isn't limited by the power of the Xbox 360, and even if they are trying to make the next Crysis they can make the PC version's graphics better.

Yeah but why would they bother publishing the game in 2011 or 2012 when a new generation of consoles will exist in 2013? Basically they could work on an amazing engine now and publish it in 2013 when the new consoles arrive, or keep whatever current engine they are using, publish it in 2011/2012 and 1 year later, it will be a completely dated game in terms of looks as they were restricted to the current gen. So yeah, I reckon it would be made for the next generation of consoles if it is true that they are going to be released around 2013. If this is not true and they are not going to be released in 2013 then obviously it will be released for the current gen.

There is nothing wrong with consoles (how good they are is proven by their playerbase), but it is kinda annoying how so much great potential is dragged down by their dated hardware

Metro 2033 yes, but Crysis involves some very massive open spaces. CryEngine 3 is quite capable of rendering large open worlds like in TES. Not that there is any chance in the world of TES: V using CE3...

Hmm CE2 (the one used for consoles) is horrible compared too CE1 (used for PC). Look up a comparison on youtube... Even though CE3 is new, there would be a massive difference between PC and Console...

[Nicole Elocin]

I've searched what does mean "DELETE ENTIRE CLASS OR PROCESS ACCORDING TO STATEMENT OF USE AND REQUEST TO DIVIDE "
and i've found that: http://tess2.uspto.gov/tmdb/tmep/1100.htm#_T1110

Go to the section "1110.01 Application May be Divided", it is said: "An applicant may request division of an application for any reason. For example, in an intent-to-use application, the applicant may wish to proceed to publication or registration with the goods/services on or in connection with which the applicant has used the mark in commerce and retain an active intent-to-use application for any remaining goods/services."

Also, the store on Bethesda softworks website, as Obliviondownload.com, is temporarily closed because they have to upgrade it:

https://orders.gamesas.com/store/

I don't know what do you think about that, but, for me, it seems that the things are moving no?
Maybe they are preparing the store for some Skyrim products...

"...may wish to proceed to publication or registration with the goods/services..." - THAT intrigues me a lot. Great find, and worth keeping our eyes open.

As far as the Oblivion Store goes. Hasn't that been down for ages? Like... a year? Could be very wrong, but I thought I heard they took it down 'for maintenence' and never got around to putting it back up. Presumably because they were getting very few sales on Oblivion merchandise from the site. I'm not even 50% sure about this though. Anyone want to clarify?

Hmm CE2 (the one used for consoles) is horrible compared too CE1 (used for PC). Look up a comparison on youtube... Even though CE3 is new, there would be a massive difference between PC and Console...

CE1 was used for FarCry on the Xbox and PC. CE2 was used for Crysis and Crysis Warhead on PC, but was never used for consoles. CE3 has been optimised to such a high standard that it can run games almost as stunning as Crysis on consoles, and even better than Crysis on PCs. Basically.

Sure, it svcks that PC games aren't as sixy as they could be due to the bias towards consoles. BUT: We're seeing a lot of progress in engine optimisation as a result, which still benefits the PC community. Games look and run better, on worse hardware. Without this push for optimisation, the reliance would fall on the hardware, and games may look a little better on the PC, but the hardware requirements would definitely be significantly higher. You are getting more bang for your buck this way.

Also consider that Beth love their PC gamers, and love making TES games look great. I would be surprised if PC gamers didn't get options for advanced graphics and physics in TES:V. :foodndrink:

[Amy Smith]

"...may wish to proceed to publication or registration with the goods/services..." - THAT intrigues me a lot. Great find, and worth keeping our eyes open.

This is interesting. The two examples gave two options (maybe there are more): Bethesda has used something related to the trademark in commerce and wishes to withhold something else (this makes no sense, because nothing pertaining to Skyrim has been shown or released), or they are planning to push it into the publication stage, in which we would then hear about it very soon.

As far as the Oblivion Store goes. Hasn't that been down for ages? Like... a year? Could be very wrong, but I thought I heard they took it down 'for maintenence' and never got around to putting it back up. Presumably because they were getting very few sales on Oblivion merchandise from the site. I'm not even 50% sure about this though. Anyone want to clarify?

Actually, if I recall, it was still up but was out of stock on all products. Going down is something odd, since why would they need to update the software on the store if they weren't selling anything on it anyways?

[trisha punch]

Yeah but why would they bother publishing the game in 2011 or 2012 when a new generation of consoles will exist in 2013? Basically they could work on an amazing engine now and publish it in 2013 when the new consoles arrive, or keep whatever current engine they are using, publish it in 2011/2012 and 1 year later, it will be a completely dated game in terms of looks as they were restricted to the current gen. So yeah, I reckon it would be made for the next generation of consoles if it is true that they are going to be released around 2013. If this is not true and they are not going to be released in 2013 then obviously it will be released for the current gen.

They would bother publishing something, because as a company (that develops games) it actually makes sense to release a product - TES or otherwise - within a certain timeframe as opposed to not releasing anything for years. Furthermore, regarding your question as to why they should release something for the current generation of consoles: why not? Graphical prowess is not a valid argument here imo. By your logic they might as well resist releasing something in the early years of the next console generation simply because later titles might outshine theirs. It's probably more important than anything else to keep up some sort of economic momentum for their franchises. Personally, I'm pretty certain Bethesda's can create beautiful enthralling worlds regardless of any hardware generation and that it's not just due to the use of new technology.

Besides, don't we all want a new TES as soon as possible? Think positive

[Maria Leon]

Actually, if I recall, it was still up but was out of stock on all products. Going down is something odd, since why would they need to update the software on the store if they weren't selling anything on it anyways?

True, but even more telling is, unless the next game is called Oblivion again, why bother updating the domain "obliviondownload.com"?

[Beth Belcher]

True, but even more telling is, unless the next game is called Oblivion again, why bother updating the domain "obliviondownload.com"?

Perhaps they are updating it with TES:V merchandise first, and then renaming the website and changing domain at the last minute. Doing everything in their power to keep us away from the truth. Pushing us away from it with a big stick. Like a spear. A SPEAR! God, that would make for an amazing first announcement.

And thanks for clearing that up for me Orzorn, much appreciated.

[Chris Duncan]

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but under "Current Status" in the TARR status screen, this is now there: " A request for the fifth extension of time to file a statement of use has been granted.", whereas used to it was simply " A request for the fifth extension has been granted."

So, apparently, the extension of time has now been changed to be an extension that will now be used to file a statement of use, which means they should be attempting to use it soon.

I think. :bonk:

[Avril Louise]

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but under "Current Status" in the TARR status screen, this is now there: " A request for the fifth extension of time to file a statement of use has been granted.", whereas used to it was simply " A request for the fifth extension has been granted."

So, apparently, the extension of time has now been changed to be an extension that will now be used to file a statement of use, which means they should be attempting to use it soon.

I think. :bonk:

To my knowledge, that is correct, and that's very exciting.
That would denote..a possible announcement in the near future...?
:D

[Alina loves Alexandra]

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but under "Current Status" in the TARR status screen, this is now there: " A request for the fifth extension of time to file a statement of use has been granted.", whereas used to it was simply " A request for the fifth extension has been granted."

So, apparently, the extension of time has now been changed to be an extension that will now be used to file a statement of use, which means they should be attempting to use it soon.

I think. :bonk:

The extensions have always been to allow more time to file a statement of use, so to me this is just a more detailed version of the norm. What is interesting, though, is why the change?

[Ernesto Salinas]

The extensions have always been to allow more time to file a statement of use, so to me this is just a more detailed version of the norm. What is interesting, though, is why the change?

Well honestly any guess is as good as mine, but my guess is that they are planning on using it soon. It's the only logical course of action.

[Greg Cavaliere]

I'm a bit confused with all this more detailed talk of the extension for the Skyrim merchandise. Can someone put this in layman's terms?

[tannis]

I'm a bit confused with all this more detailed talk of the extension for the Skyrim merchandise. Can someone put this in layman's terms?

Essentially, they changed the terms of the copyright. They changed it so that they can use it, it's not simply "copyrighted" for their sake, they are (a stretch of hope, here) getting ready to use it, and a change in the terms was necessary to do so. That's my interpretation of it, at least, I could be slightly wrong.

[George PUluse]

The extensions have always been to allow more time to file a statement of use, so to me this is just a more detailed version of the norm. What is interesting, though, is why the change?

Yes, but unless they've somehow changed their nomenclature under our noses, it is definitely something different.

[Megan Stabler]

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but under "Current Status" in the TARR status screen, this is now there: " A request for the fifth extension of time to file a statement of use has been granted.", whereas used to it was simply " A request for the fifth extension has been granted."

So, apparently, the extension of time has now been changed to be an extension that will now be used to file a statement of use, which means they should be attempting to use it soon.

I think. :bonk:

If they have gotten five extensions, I don't think there is any limit on extensions.

[Rachel Cafferty]

So, apparently, the extension of time has now been changed to be an extension that will now be used to file a statement of use, which means they should be attempting to use it soon.

Yeah. Otherwise, you're using the tm without authorization. That's how I make sense of it, anyway.

[Amie Mccubbing]

Here's hoping this new development means something!

If they have gotten five extensions, I don't think there is any limit on extensions.

There is, 6 is the limit, but Bethesda can only have 5 because July 31st will be 36 months since they got their Notice of Allowance, which is the maximum amount of time they can't not use their trademark.

[+++CAZZY]

Here's hoping this new development means something!



There is, 6 is the limit, but Bethesda can only have 5 because July 31st will be 36 months since they got their Notice of Allowance, which is the maximum amount of time they can't not use their trademark.

My God. It's so freakin' close dude. I'm a nervous wreck. :ahhh: