Official TES V Speculation Thread Number 27 : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:17 am

Once TES:V is announced, then this thread will also become moot.

It'll just turn into "TES:V Contents Speculation"

Where we'll debunk rumors about flying mounts with archers that fire flaming icicle arrows into attacking Akaviris.

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:40 pm

We don't know what they're showing at E3. This debate is moot.

These threads are moot. I don't know why I come in here every day.

Do you two know what the word "speculation" means? That's a serious question. Because if you do, you'd realize how ridiculous those post are.

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:04 pm

The debate is not moot. It would only be moot if the debate no longer mattered anymore, such as if Bethesda pulled out of E3 or if E3 was suddenly canceled. The debate would then become moot because it wouldn't matter anymore. It is decisively for the very reason that we don't know for sure that we're debating. Otherwise, if we knew anything with certainty then there would be no need for debate (another example of a moot point by the way). Once TES:V is announced, then this thread will also become moot.

This is a speculation thread. Debating is what we do! :whisper:

It's fine to compile evidence relating to the announcement of TES V. And it's fine to debate possible evidence relating to an announcement of TES V.

Now, we know Bethesda has an exhibit at E3 2010, but we have no evidence about what they are presenting. Until some actual evidence is produced in favor of Bethesda presenting TES V, or Fallout: New Vegas, or Hunted, etc, then any debates about what they're going to present are just opinions and wishful/fearful thinking. Until there's some evidence there's nothing to debate.

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:08 pm

Until some actual evidence is produced in favor of Bethesda presenting TES V, or Fallout: New Vegas, or Hunted, etc, then any debates about what they're going to present are just opinions and wishful/fearful thinking.

Almost all debates are the warring of opinions. If there was only solid evidence in a debate, then there would be little room for opinion and thus little need for debate.

Debating over "debating" is absolutely pointless. If you don't like the current discussion at hand, then I suggest you find another thread to loiter within.

» Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:29 am

It's fine to compile evidence relating to the announcement of TES V. And it's fine to debate possible evidence relating to an announcement of TES V.

Now, we know Bethesda has an exhibit at E3 2010, but we have no evidence about what they are presenting. Until some actual evidence is produced in favor of Bethesda presenting TES V, or Fallout: New Vegas, or Hunted, etc, then any debates about what they're going to present are just opinions and wishful/fearful thinking. Until there's some evidence there's nothing to debate.

Again, do you know what the word "speculate" implies?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/speculate
You don't have to have evidence to speculate, brobedos.

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:48 pm

Yes, I know what speculation is.

Here's the thing. Yes, it's true that if we have proof of something then there's nothing to speculate about. We obviously won't be speculating about when/if TES:V will be announced after Bethesda announces it. But I'm not talking about absolute proof; I'm talking about evidence. I'm saying that, other than as a way to waste time, there's no point in debating about what Bethesda is going to announce at E3, because we have no evidence in favor of any particular game. Again, I'm not talking about proof.

Yes, we can speculate without evidence - it just doesn't get us anywhere. Speculation is obviate once the facts are known, but speculation is meaningless until there's some evidence in favor of some position.

I never said the E3 debate wasn't speculation - I said it was mute.

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:04 pm

...there's no point in debating about what Bethesda is going to announce at E3, because we have no evidence in favor of any particular game.

But we DO have evidence. Here's one: TES:V is isn't even announced yet and New Vegas is. For all we know, it's possible Bethesda could be developing a whole new IP altogether. Now that I've provided evidence, we may legitimately continue the discussion...

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:55 pm

But we DO have evidence. Here's one: TES:V is isn't even announced yet and New Vegas is. For all we know, it's possible Bethesda could be developing a whole new IP altogether. Now that I've provided evidence, we may legitimately continue the discussion...

"It's possible..." is never evidence.

The fact that TES:V hasn't been announced and New Vegas has might be evidence, in conjunction with other evidence (e.g., what we know about Bethesda's E3 tendencies). Feel free to build your case.

» Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:59 am

Speculation is moot? Life is moot? But, I, Life, Games :shocking:

Ahh, much better. Apparently my head has paradox absorbing crumple zones.
I just hope I am not mute during my interview today.

Edit: 'What if' and 'possibility of evidence' are both speculation. This is a discussion on speculation. The things in this thread, are once, twice, and sometimes thrice removed from reality. The thread is kind of an automatic preface to speculation.

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:35 pm

This argument is rather silly. It's reasonable to speculate that they will announce or show off TES V at E3. It's also reasonable to speculate that they wont, and are only there to show off their other games. We wont know what they'll do until E3.

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:22 pm

"The fact that TES:V hasn't been announced and New Vegas has might be evidence, in conjunction with other evidence (e.g., what we know about Bethesda's E3 tendencies). Feel free to build your case.

I'm done with this. Please stop this useless drivel.

This argument is rather silly. It's reasonable to speculate that they will announce or show off TES V at E3. It's also reasonable to speculate that they wont, and are only there to show off their other games. We wont know what they'll do until E3.

Agreed.

» Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:20 am

I'm done with this. Please stop this useless drivel.

Agreed.

Stain, what do you think of the possibility that we get a Pre E3 announcement of a possible Elder Scrolls game? Like 1-3 weeks before, and a quick showcasing at E3?

Or perhaps a snip at the end of a presentation they do at E3?

I'd say that if TES V has been in production at some level since 06, then we see maybe a brief announcement at E3. Antibodies's time line chart and your summer reveal page offer compelling speculation that something will be announced soon.

Could they reveal the 2nd ES book, along with the game at E3? Wouldn't that garner excitement, peaking sales of the 2nd book? Or are book announcements off the table at E3?

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:46 pm

This argument is rather silly. It's reasonable to speculate that they will announce or show off TES V at E3. It's also reasonable to speculate that they wont, and are only there to show off their other games. We wont know what they'll do until E3.

This is just what I was trying to say. We can speculate both for and against the presentation of ES: V at E3, but we don't have any evidence that supports one position over the other. That's all I was trying to say. I was not trying to say we couldn't, or shouldn't, speculate about E3; I was just trying to say we don't have any evidence for what they're going to announce at E3. Sorry that I didn't make myself clear.

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:19 pm

This is just what I was trying to say. We can speculate both for and against the presentation of ES: V at E3, but we don't have any evidence that supports one position over the other. That's all I was trying to say. I was not trying to say we couldn't, or shouldn't, speculate about E3; I was just trying to say we don't have any evidence for what they're going to announce at E3. Sorry that I didn't make myself clear.

That's the only thing that kind of others me about this whole situation,. We're speculating on speculation. If one piece of speculation is wrong, then that throws off everything. But I think there has been too much activity recently for something not to be up.

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:59 pm

*ahem*

TES:V will be released whenever it wants to. I think Bethesda won't tell us because it took a mind of it's own and they really don't know, therefore, since TES:V is a rebellious monster, it will do as it wishes as well. It maybe just end up being a game that repeats over and over again in a Text-to-Speech fashion "I am the Elder Scrolls Five" while we run from giant crushing letters that spell out SKYRIM after making stick-figure characters.

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:44 pm

If you don't like the speculation, Dumbkid, stop posting in the thread. It's obvious you think it's a "moot" point, so, stop posting if you aren't going to contribute to the speculation.
On topic;
On the subject of TES:V taking place in Skyrim, and other provinces being included, do we have any information regarding the fact that there will be a daedric prince main theme to the story? I kind of hope it gets away from the daedric prince theme. OB was fun and all, but I'd much more enjoy a game like MW where you don't skip around to different places randomly throughout the main quest. Morrowind was one huge fluid land mass, and that's what I liked about it.

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:31 pm

Stain, what do you think of the possibility that we get a Pre E3 announcement of a possible Elder Scrolls game? Like 1-3 weeks before, and a quick showcasing at E3?

I think that's a definite possibility. I fully expect a web announcement to precede anything else (or at latest occur simultaneously).

Could they reveal the 2nd ES book, along with the game at E3? Wouldn't that garner excitement, peaking sales of the 2nd book? Or are book announcements off the table at E3?

Whether or not E3 is involved, I'm less inclined to expect the 2nd book to be revealed with TES:V. I believe they'll announce the book several months after TES:V is announced to help satisfy the rabid fans until the game is released.

This is just what I was trying to say. We can speculate both for and against the presentation of ES: V at E3, but we don't have any evidence that supports one position over the other. That's all I was trying to say. I was not trying to say we couldn't, or shouldn't, speculate about E3; I was just trying to say we don't have any evidence for what they're going to announce at E3. Sorry that I didn't make myself clear.

Accepted...:icecream:

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:41 pm

I discovered recently that Fallout 3 was shown at E3 2007, only a few weeks after the official website went up, after the first trailer was released, and after the Game Informer cover was announced. It was also shown at E3 2008. I updated the http://i40.tinypic.com/2dhz3mq.jpg to reflect that.

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:34 pm

I discovered recently that Fallout 3 was shown at E3 2007, only a few weeks after the official website went up, after the first trailer was released, and after the Game Informer cover was announced. It was also shown at E3 2008. I updated the http://i40.tinypic.com/2dhz3mq.jpg to reflect that.

What did they show at E3 2007?

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:50 pm

What did they show at E3 2007?

http://news.filefront.com/e3-2007-fallout-3-demonstration/

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:43 pm

http://news.filefront.com/e3-2007-fallout-3-demonstration/

Ah, right. They showed gameplay to some people but not publicly.

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:57 pm

Ah, right. They showed gameplay to some people but not publicly.

:stare: Some... people... but not... publicly...

Did somebody get Bethesda angry in the past? Why are they so reluctant to tell everybody at least something?

If they want to keep it a surprise, it must be really good, or really bad.

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:46 pm

Does anyone know wether or not TES V is going to be coming out onto the Xbox 360 or is it exclusively for the PC?

» Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:30 am

Does anyone know wether or not TES V is going to be coming out onto the Xbox 360 or is it exclusively for the PC?

It's common sense to release it for PC, 360, and PS3.

» Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:25 pm

Does anyone know wether or not TES V is going to be coming out onto the Xbox 360 or is it exclusively for the PC?

It's actually exclusive to the Nintendo 64.

The game hasn't even been announced yet, but it's safe to assume it will be on the PC, Xbox 360 and PS3 like Fallout 3 and Oblivion were.