[Nadia Nad]

ahh ok, well i might have read outdated info, it's hard to find new reliable sources... thats if there is any out there...

It's difficult to find any new information from gamesas... i think of it as the calm before the storm :thumbsup:

[A Lo RIkIton'ton]

Are people saying we might actually have a TES: V announcement in a matter of... well, weeks, if not days? Why do you get my hopes up?!

[Trevor Bostwick]

Are people saying we might actually have a TES: V announcement in a matter of... well, weeks, if not days? Why do you get my hopes up?!

I believe months, at the latest, weeks at the earliest. The latest possibility is the "August" issue of GI, released in late July, unless the trademark was a very costly joke or mislead, which implies but does not guarantee an E3 appearance, along with Bethesda's presence at the convention itself.

[Scarlet Devil]

If the game doesnt come out this year then I will put the guys in charge of what game they make at which time in a plane to the closest ash cloud! Let them taste the ashstorms of Dagoth Ur!

Seriously, it WILL come out this year. At latest in like... August (took it from the guy above). At the earliest it will be this month.

[Penny Flame]

If the game doesnt come out this year then I will put the guys in charge of what game they make at which time in a plane to the closest ash cloud! Let them taste the ashstorms of Dagoth Ur!

Seriously, it WILL come out this year. At latest in like... August (took it from the guy above). At the earliest it will be this month.

You mean be announced, right? Releasing a game without any marketing dooms it to obscurity no matter how good.

[john page]

If the game doesnt come out this year then I will put the guys in charge of what game they make at which time in a plane to the closest ash cloud! Let them taste the ashstorms of Dagoth Ur!

Seriously, it WILL come out this year. At latest in like... August (took it from the guy above). At the earliest it will be this month.

The announcement almost certainly will come this year, but the game wont actually be released until late 2011 at the earliest.

Edit: Ninja'd

[Farrah Lee]

Ah, yes, the announcement. Sorry.
:cryvaultboy:

Why does time take so much time? :banghead:

[Meghan Terry]

Also Paul Oughton said that Bethesda had pencilled in Elder Scrolls 5 for 2010

penciled means its a maybe, its not a definite that they are going to release it in 2010

[Zualett]

penciled means its a maybe, its not a definite that they are going to release it in 2010

Penciled in means that there were at least plans. Plans that were far enough along to even allow for pencilling in at all, accurate or not.

[u gone see]

that was also two years ago, and things change, unfortunately...

[Andrew Tarango]

I agree everything points to something elder scrolls 5 related being at E3. BUT, what about it being Bethesda softwarks on the list and not Bethesda game studios. Could this just be a simple mistake? it is commonly made, or would Bethesda softworks just show it anyway?

[Kayleigh Mcneil]

I agree everything points to something elder scrolls 5 related being at E3. BUT, what about it being Bethesda softwarks on the list and not Bethesda game studios. Could this just be a simple mistake? it is commonly made, or would Bethesda softworks just show it anyway?

Commonly made mistake? How so?

[Cool Man Sam]

I agree everything points to something elder scrolls 5 related being at E3. BUT, what about it being Bethesda softwarks on the list and not Bethesda game studios. Could this just be a simple mistake? it is commonly made, or would Bethesda softworks just show it anyway?

Bethesda Softworks is the publisher and it's usually the publisher that shows off their games at E3 and not the developers. Which is why you don't see Obsidian or Splash Damage on that list even though it's pretty likely that New Vegas and Brink will be shown there.

[Lory Da Costa]

No, you're being far too pessimistic. Have you even been following this thread? Are you aware of the trademark expiring, and how if they don't announce it before it expires, they'll have to wait up to a year to announce it as they get their new trademark? Thinking they're going to announce it soon isn't optimism, it's just thinking logically.

Yep I have lol... :/

I think everyone is just looking for things (and believing it is true) because they want it so bad.... (I want it so bad too).

I think I am just being realistic...

As for the trademark, I don't know... I guess that it will either expire or, (this is a question), can they keep the trademark if they show whoever registered it a working game in production, but without announcing it to the general public?

Anyway if I'm wrong (I would be glad to be ^^) you can push it in my face and say "Hahaha, I was right, and you were wrong PP".

[Matthew Aaron Evans]

can they keep the trademark if they show whoever registered it a working game in the production, but without announcing it to the general public?

I don't think so, after all trademarks are meant for public products.

[Marguerite Dabrin]

I don't think so, after all trademarks are meant for public products.

But they could just show a demo to the trademark guys, couldn't they?

[Sarah Edmunds]

I thought they had already done that when they had renewed that trademark, but now it's taken so long they have to find an intent to use (or something along those lines) or they will lose the trademark. If they file an intent to use, they have to produce stronger evidence than in-house demonstrations to "the trademark guys". That's how I understand it, at least, and I'm probably wrong.

[kirsty williams]

To be honest, it has been a while since I saw the post way back when about the trademark, so I can't remember if Bethesda has to file an "intent to use" or an amended "statement of use", or it will expire. If someone could give me an update on that, I could find the proper answer on the US patent/trademark office's site. I thought there was a link in someone's sig but I could not find it. >.>

For an intent to use to be filed, only a sworn statement is required saying they have an intent of using the product. So they do not need to show anything. Not sure what to make of that last line about "must begin actual use of the mark in commerce.
--"ITU - refers to the intent-to-use filing basis provided for in Trademark Act Section 1(B ), 15 U.S.C. 1051(B ). Applicants who have not yet used (in commerce that can be regulated by Congress) the mark they wish to register may file a trademark application under this filing basis. An "intent to use" application must include a sworn statement (usually in the form of a declaration) that applicants have a bona fide intention to use the mark in commerce. A properly worded declaration is included in the trademark application form for registration. The applicant or a person authorized to sign on behalf of the applicant must sign the declaration.
Applicants who file based on "intent to use" must begin actual use of the mark in commerce and file an Allegation of Use before the USPTO will register the mark. See definitions of "Amendment to Allege Use" and "Statement of Use". There is an additional filing fee for the Allegation of Use. "

For a statement of use, they need to provide an example of every single category they applied for the trademark to be used in to the patent office.
--"SOU - a sworn statement signed by the applicant or a person authorized to sign on behalf of the applicant attesting to use of the mark in commerce. With a statement of use, the owner must submit: (1) a filing fee of $100 per class of goods/services; and (2) one specimen showing use of the mark in commerce for each class of goods/services.
Statements of use must be filed within 6 months from the date the USPTO issues a notice of allowance. Failure to submit the statement of use in a timely manner results in abandonment of the application.
The Amendment to Allege Use and the Statement of Use include the same information, and differ only as to the time when it is filed."


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Not sure if that clears up the "public announcement vs just showing the patent guys", but I will leave that to more knowledgeable people to discuss.

Source:
Glossary at the US patent office's website
http://www.uspto.gov/main/glossary/index.html

(Great discussion in this thread btw... I have been following it as an anonymous user for quite some time. >.> Decided to try and contribute.)

[Melanie]

To be honest, it has been a while since I saw the post way back when about the trademark, so I can't remember if Bethesda has to file an "intent to use" or an amended "statement of use", or it will expire. If someone could give me an update on that, I could find the proper answer on the US patent/trademark office's site. I thought there was a link in someone's sig but I could not find it. >.>

For an intent to use to be filed, only a sworn statement is required saying they have an intent of using the product. So they do not need to show anything. Not sure what to make of that last line about "must begin actual use of the mark in commerce.
--"ITU - refers to the intent-to-use filing basis provided for in Trademark Act Section 1(B ), 15 U.S.C. 1051(B ). Applicants who have not yet used (in commerce that can be regulated by Congress) the mark they wish to register may file a trademark application under this filing basis. An "intent to use" application must include a sworn statement (usually in the form of a declaration) that applicants have a bona fide intention to use the mark in commerce. A properly worded declaration is included in the trademark application form for registration. The applicant or a person authorized to sign on behalf of the applicant must sign the declaration.
Applicants who file based on "intent to use" must begin actual use of the mark in commerce and file an Allegation of Use before the USPTO will register the mark. See definitions of "Amendment to Allege Use" and "Statement of Use". There is an additional filing fee for the Allegation of Use. "

For a statement of use, they need to provide an example of every single category they applied for the trademark to be used in to the patent office.
--"SOU - a sworn statement signed by the applicant or a person authorized to sign on behalf of the applicant attesting to use of the mark in commerce. With a statement of use, the owner must submit: (1) a filing fee of $100 per class of goods/services; and (2) one specimen showing use of the mark in commerce for each class of goods/services.
Statements of use must be filed within 6 months from the date the USPTO issues a notice of allowance. Failure to submit the statement of use in a timely manner results in abandonment of the application.
The Amendment to Allege Use and the Statement of Use include the same information, and differ only as to the time when it is filed."


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Not sure if that clears up the "public announcement vs just showing the patent guys", but I will leave that to more knowledgeable people to discuss.

Source:
Glossary at the US patent office's website
http://www.uspto.gov/main/glossary/index.html

(Great discussion in this thread btw... I have been following it as an anonymous user for quite some time. >.> Decided to try and contribute.)

That doesn't, however, explain whether it must be a public announcement like you said. This means we're pretty much in the dark. They don't have to announce it...

[Steph]

Well the does that mean if they get another extension, that they have legally sworn that they are using something with "Skyrim" in it? I hope that won't be the "announcement" we've been looking forward to...

[meghan lock]

If they don't need to announce it, and only have to file a statement of use, it wouldn't matter because we would be able to see that they filed it. It would mean that we would know for a fact that they're making something called Skyrim and it would instantly spread to gaming blogs across the internet. Everyone would know Bethesda's next game is TES V: Skyrim, even though they never announced it. Because of that, knowing how much Bethesda loves keeping secrets, I'm pretty confident that they'll announce it publicly.

[Miranda Taylor]

If they don't need to announce it, and only have to file a statement of use, it wouldn't matter because we would be able to see that they filed it. It would mean that we would know for a fact that they're making something called Skyrim and it would instantly spread to gaming blogs across the internet. Everyone would know Bethesda's next game is TES V: Skyrim, even though they never announced it. Because of that, knowing how much Bethesda loves keeping secrets, I'm pretty confident that they'll announce it publicly.

Damn you tricky bastards! I love you all so much!

[joseluis perez]

Anyone else notice bethblog has been very active with Oblivion content and articles today

[Zoe Ratcliffe]

Anyone else notice bethblog has been very active with Oblivion content and articles today

I haven't checked once. I've lost faith in them

[Nathan Hunter]

Anyone else notice bethblog has been very active with Oblivion content and articles today

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