[Adrian Powers]

Speculation regarding the graphics etc. should TESV be released for the current generation of consoles.

Let's clear up a couple of items before speculation on this begins:

1) Just go with me on this one (even if you don't believe it) just for the purposes of my speculation - TESV will not be a PC exclusive title
2) The next generation of consoles is coming, but likely 2-3 years out (or so)
3) TES games are open-world RPGs (I know, duh, but I needed to state it since Crysis stuff keeps coming up, and without all the rpg aspects tying up the system in the background anything could look crazy amazing)

So, I started looking at other developers and other games that are announced for release or in development for the current generation of consoles to get an idea of where some of the last pretty rpg games for this current generation of consoles were at; mainly to see if TESV was at the very least as pretty as these, whether I would be okay with it etc. I also couldn't very well look to games like Fable III for comparison because they aren't really similar in the open-world concept. There are pretty slim pickin's folks! What I did come across was Two Worlds 2. I never played the first one, and from everything I have heard/read/seen it was a pile of sasquach dung-- but the sequel gets me pretty excited for the possible "look" of TESV should it get released in this current generation of consoles.

Here is a link to check out from a preview where the review is also not a fan of the series original, but impressed with the sequel:

http://www.destructoid.com/two-worlds-ii-will-surprise-you-in-a-good-way-170656.phtml

So if we are going to be treated with TESV before the release if the next gen of consoles, would you be happy if this was the minimal graphical quality? This also is an open-world RPG, and while I am certain we can all agree that Bethesda adds much more depth to their games especially in regards to radiant AI and lore... I also get it that we all want the best story possible and graphics aren't as important, but they make an Elder Scrolls game special (since they have traditionally been near the bleeding edge of graphics when they release).

If you find other similar games with info on them (similar in that they are open-world rpg's due to be released on current gen) please let me know what you find so I can take a peek. This is the best looking that I could find so far.

[Emma Copeland]

If you find other similar games with info on them (similar in that they are open-world rpg's due to be released on current gen) please let me know what you find so I can take a peek. This is the best looking that I could find so far.

You should also check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cmdT_pA5rM as a graphical comparison, as well as a possible source of inspiration for Bethesda to build a working ecosystem into their next TES game. Other amazing factors in this game relevant to a future TES title: Incredible NPC AI, immersive animations courtesy of Euphoria, and check out the skeleton and muscle structure of the horses. Those muscles really flex and animate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9k1902eCXs may be a 3 year old game at this point, but its outdoor environments were vast and beautiful. Again, this game also built a strong sense of the environment into the game with flocks of birds, farmyard animals, rats etc. Not as strong as Red Dead's ecosystem, but still more than enough to make Cyrodiil's wilderness in Oblivion seem hollow. Plus: Moving hair! No excuse now Bethesda :shifty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kjs-SC70Wg has a massive open-world sandbox to play in, though obviously lacks the more advanced AI that Oblivion had. It still stands as a strong example of how large and beautiful a gameworld can become these days. It's also worth noting that not only is this world larger than Oblivion's, but also far more interactive and destructible. Not that I want destructible environments in a TES game. This just shows that although there isn't as much processing power going into the AI as there is in Oblivion, there is a lot more going to into the environments.

This is a good observation, and in ignorance I at first thought that the "Skyrim" mark being used on the merchandise would be considered Use in Commerce for all trademark applications. Therefore, my prediction was that they'd announce the game and also offer the merchandise to satisfy the Use in Commerce requirement. However, I now believe that will ONLY satisfy Use in Commerce for the trademark applying specifically to the merchandise and not the ones associated with the game. My only hope at this point is that offering something like pre-orders (or some other option) would be considered Use in Commerce, thus making an announcement this summer a possibility. However, no one has yet been able to present any evidence of this having been done before so until we get more information we'll just have to wait and see.

Pre-orders would seem to solve the problem. I still think we're either missing something obvious with these trademarks, or that we're just plain wrong about the 'use in commerce' part. They've been renewing them for so long (all of them, not just the game trademark) that they must have a solid plan in mind. Failing to meet even one of them potentially jeopardizes all three from a business stand point. I'm sure Bethesda know what they're doing, and have a very knowledgeable legal team.

You're right on the 'wait and see' part. Seems that's all we can do now.

[Alex [AK]]

You should also check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cmdT_pA5rM as a graphical comparison, as well as a possible source of inspiration for Bethesda to build a working ecosystem into their next TES game. Other amazing factors in this game relevant to a future TES title: Incredible NPC AI, immersive animations courtesy of Euphoria, and check out the skeleton and muscle structure of the horses. Those muscles really flex and animate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9k1902eCXs may be a 3 year old game at this point, but its outdoor environments were vast and beautiful. Again, this game also built a strong sense of the environment into the game with flocks of birds, farmyard animals, rats etc. Not as strong as Red Dead's ecosystem, but still more than enough to make Cyrodiil's wilderness in Oblivion seem hollow. Plus: Moving hair! No excuse now Bethesda :shifty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kjs-SC70Wg has a massive open-world sandbox to play in, though obviously lacks the more advanced AI that Oblivion had. It still stands as a strong example of how large and beautiful a gameworld can become these days. It's also worth noting that not only is this world larger than Oblivion's, but also far more interactive and destructible. Not that I want destructible environments in a TES game. This just shows that although there isn't as much processing power going into the AI as there is in Oblivion, there is a lot more going to into the environments.


Pre-orders would seem to solve the problem. I still think we're either missing something obvious with these trademarks, or that we're just plain wrong about the 'use in commerce' part. They've been renewing them for so long (all of them, not just the game trademark) that they must have a solid plan in mind. Failing to meet even one of them potentially jeopardizes all three from a business stand point. I'm sure Bethesda know what they're doing, and have a very knowledgeable legal team.

You're right on the 'wait and see' part. Seems that's all we can do now.

Red Dead does have some wonderful innovations that I would love to see incorporated into TESV! Great suggestion, thanks.

[MatthewJontully]

yeah red deads working eco system is a leap forward for open world games. Graphics are more than good enough, seriously the elder scrolls v being released on this generation is no biggy, nor a drawback imo.

PS: if the stress of waiting for ESV is too much, get RDR

[Brιonα Renae]

yeah red deads working eco system is a leap forward for open world games. Graphics are more than good enough, seriously the elder scrolls v being released on this generation is no biggy, nor a drawback imo.

PS: if the stress of waiting for ESV is too much, get RDR

Unrelated: What's RDR?

Slightly less unrelated: Wow this is the quietest the speculation thread has been for some time, i wonder what happened to everybody bliviongate:

[Lewis Morel]

Unrelated: What's RDR?

Slightly less unrelated: Wow this is the quietest the speculation thread has been for some time, i wonder what happened to everybody bliviongate:

1. Red Dead Redemption.

2. Not much to speculate on. There's really nothing left to do except wait until something happens.

[Katey Meyer]

Definitely putting my hopes on an announcement at Quakecon.

[Lifee Mccaslin]

Definitely putting my hopes on an announcement at Quakecon.

Same! Either that or an announcement just before it, then first showings and details at Quakecon. I think we can call E3 a dead stick as far as we are concerned.

An announcement at E3 is possible though, it would just mean a Bethesda developer has completely contradicted himself.

[Rob Smith]

An announcement at E3 is possible though, it would just mean a Bethesda developer has completely contradicted himself.

Bethesda? Telling lies? Nooooooooooooo, that's not possible!

[u gone see]

Bethesda? Telling lies? Nooooooooooooo, that's not possible!

I'll bet we are in for a media-crazed marketing blitz that will not end until the release of the game. It will be an announcement on the website and then a game informer cover and then a trailer at E3 and playable demo at quakecon and a fall release of the book and then a spring release of the game... you wait and see!

[Kahli St Dennis]

I "speculate" a Quakecon announcement.

I agree I just read an article about a possible Quakecon announcement on ign

[lilmissparty]

I agree I just read an article about a possible Quakecon announcement on ign

I totally speculated the Quake con thing with that article about how they don't like to premier new games at E3.

When the game is getting ready to make its debut. I'll know. Don't you all worry!

[Tyrone Haywood]

I speculate Elder Scrolls 5 will make Morrowind look like two worlds.

[Ashley Campos]

I speculate Elder Scrolls 5 will make Morrowind look like two worlds.

If Two Worlds developers got more creative writers it would Make Oblivion look like Fable. It's spell crafting system, huge world, weapon making system, and possibly revamped mounted combat would make it the best RPG ever. Problem is, in addition to the first being buggy as a swamp, they still don't know how to write a story. You always play the same character, even if hes a different type of role. The setting is ripped straight from Tolkien, one good guy has to take on the one bad guy taking over the world.

[Nikki Hype]

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[Rude_Bitch_420]

dood

it's a big, fat fib, because there is no LoZ: Fall of Hyrule

[carla]

I agree I just read an article about a possible Quakecon announcement on ign

Link please!

[stephanie eastwood]

I'll bet we are in for a media-crazed marketing blitz that will not end until the release of the game. It will be an announcement on the website and then a game informer cover and then a trailer at E3 and playable demo at quakecon and a fall release of the book and then a spring release of the game... you wait and see!

Dreaming then again we all could be for quakecon.........to be honest I think this thread makes people go mad.

[Rex Help]

When will we get a date for FO:NV? Hopefully they're planning a summer release.

I say this because I don't think Zenimax will want to promote two action-RPG games at the same time. Seems to me I wouldn't expect TESV info before New Vegas is out the door, or at least given a firm date and some broader marketing push.

Maybe E3 will have "Hey, New Vegas is dropping in early August, buy it!" and QuakeCon will roll out TESV info.

Random thoughts.

[carrie roche]

Dreaming then again we all could be for quakecon.........to be honest I think this thread makes people go mad.

Agreed. But what happens when Quakecon 2010 comes and goes without event? What then, eh? I think we'll all just pack up and go home!

[Darrell Fawcett]

The only IGN article I see is the one replying to the clarifying blog post on Bethblog. Linkies, please?

Anyways, yeah I'll still hold out hope for a GI announcement between now and E3 leading to some clever wordplay where we see it but it's not announced, but I think QuakeCon is the most likely.

[Emma Copeland]

Agreed. But what happens when Quakecon 2010 comes and goes without event? What then, eh? I think we'll all just pack up and go home!

Agreed. :foodndrink:

[luis dejesus]

Agreed. But what happens when Quakecon 2010 comes and goes without event? What then, eh? I think we'll all just pack up and go home!

We keep a close eye on that Skyrim trademark. See if Bethesda file for it again, or file for a completely new trademark in its stead.

We then rely on the second TES novel to carry us throughout the remainder of 2010 and early 2011, using its material to speculate on the potential political climate of the next TES game, and look for an announcement just before E3 2011.

Fun year ahead if QuakeCon doesn't deliver... <_<

[OTTO]

When the game is getting ready to make its debut. I'll know. Don't you all worry!

Okay, so you've been toting around this "secret insight" for a while now...care to elaborate?

[Jon O]

When will we get a date for FO:NV? Hopefully they're planning a summer release.

I say this because I don't think Zenimax will want to promote two action-RPG games at the same time. Seems to me I wouldn't expect TESV info before New Vegas is out the door, or at least given a firm date and some broader marketing push.

Maybe E3 will have "Hey, New Vegas is dropping in early August, buy it!" and QuakeCon will roll out TESV info.

Random thoughts.

I see them promoting more than one game if you look at the published games, plus they are two separate fanbases, fallouts and elder scrolls. I see no problem there.

Okay, so you've been toting around this "secret insight" for a while now...care to elaborate?

No or it won't be secret anymore...duh