[CSar L]

That would definitely explain why the SoU was filed well after the release date of the previous games.

So is everyone in agreement then that "Skyrim" (whatever it may be) is going to either:

1. Be released before August 14, 2010 (and announced by July 31, 2010) or,
2. Become abandoned.

[JaNnatul Naimah]

So is everyone in agreement then that "Skyrim" (whatever it may be) is going to either:

1. Be released before August 14, 2010 (and announced by July 31, 2010) or,
2. Become abandoned.

Nope. I'm still confident that they must know something we don't know, and know how to work around it. There must have been a reason that they renewed it as early as March, and it can't be because they planned on releasing it in August. Remember, none of us went to law school, we're just basing our information on what we found on the USTPO's website. As far as I'm concerned the situation is still the same, either they find a way to work around it and announce it, or it expires.

Edit: Typos

[R.I.P]

So is everyone in agreement then that "Skyrim" (whatever it may be) is going to either:

1. Be released before August 14, 2010 (and announced by July 31, 2010) or,
2. Become abandoned.

So, basically you're saying it's going to be abandoned?


Zenimax must surely know something we don't know. Why. Would. They. Renew the trademarks?? They aren't stupid.

[Lizzie]

Since the first trademark is for merchandise, could they announce the game in late July as well as updating the online store with TES V merchandise for people to buy? That would satisfy the merchandise trademark (I would think) and maybe it will give them some leeway in regards to the other trademarks... Maybe?

[Jack Walker]

Since the first trademark is for merchandise, could they announce the game in late July as well as updating the online store with TES V merchandise for people to buy? That would satisfy the merchandise trademark (I would think) and maybe it will give them some leeway in regards to the other trademarks... Maybe?

Not by much, there is only about 2 weeks between them.



As far as Zenimax knowing something we don't, that is always a possibility, but without something to go on I can't really make any kind of educated speculation

[Max Van Morrison]

So is everyone in agreement then that "Skyrim" (whatever it may be) is going to either:

1. Be released before August 14, 2010 (and announced by July 31, 2010) or,
2. Become abandoned.

Well, not entirely. We still don't know what 'use in commerce' really means, even though the normal course of action is to announce, release and then file a SOU. And unless Skyrim isn't a big rpg (which of course still is a possibility), there's no way it could be released this year, if you look at the timelines other people have presented.

Sooo, yes, like Antibody and Tissue said... why renew extensions as late as January if you're not going to do something with it? That's not really setting the stage for a trademark abandonment imo...

[(G-yen)]

Nope. I'm still confident that they must know something we don't know, and know how to work around it. There must have been a reason that they renewed it as early as March, and it can't be because they planned on releasing it in August. Remember, none of us went to law school, we're just basing our information on what we found on the USTPO's website. As far as I'm concerned the situation is still the same, either they find a way to work around it and announce it, or it expires.

Same here. A release is ridiculous, and they'd have long let it expire if they foresaw the gloomy conclusion we see...or else someone is about to get fired. :flamethrower:

I'm still holding hope. However things transpire, we'll soon know more in a couple months.

[cosmo valerga]

Perhaps a 'making of' which includes a separate chapter on the trademarks-debacle, with exclusive footage of developers reading these threads and grinning...

Ahaahaaha! Not that I am not already going to buy the collectors edition, but that is incentive

[Talitha Kukk]

Has anyone thought Skyrim might be the name of the next book? Sure I HIGHLY doubt it would be but hey we are guessing .

[Neil]

Has anyone thought Skyrim might be the name of the next book? Sure I HIGHLY doubt it would be but hey we are guessing .

If Skyrim would be the name of the next book, where's "The Infernal City" in Zenimax's list of trademarks?

[Donatus Uwasomba]

If Skyrim would be the name of the next book, where's "The Infernal City" in Zenimax's list of trademarks?

I thought that copyright law covered books not trademark law?

[Trent Theriot]

I thought that copyright law covered books not trademark law?

Probably. I'm saying that if "The Infernal City" wasn't covered by trademarks, why would a novel called "Skyrim"?

[Bereket Fekadu]

Has anyone thought Skyrim might be the name of the next book? Sure I HIGHLY doubt it would be but hey we are guessing .

We know with certainty that "Skyrim" isn't the next book because the trademarks are for game manuals, a computer game, and merchandise.

If Skyrim would be the name of the next book, where's "The Infernal City" in Zenimax's list of trademarks?

If there is a trademark, it's probably held by Del Rey since they're the publisher.

I thought that copyright law covered books not trademark law?

Copyright covers the contents inside the book, but the name could still be trademarked.

[Maria Garcia]

God haha. Everytime I check this thread the exact same conversation is going on. No one really knows anything for certain but anything vaguely based on facts has been talked to death and somehow this thread persists.

[Rachel Tyson]

well i checked the E3 list bethesda is going to be there maybe they will reveal the game or maybe its because their publishing a couple of games

[sally coker]

well i checked the E3 list bethesda is going to be there maybe they will reveal the game or maybe its because their publishing a couple of games

I keep getting mixed messages about this list. So far you're the only one I've seen who saw them on the list. Can I get a link to this please?

[Sarah Knight]

I keep getting mixed messages about this list. So far you're the only one I've seen who saw them on the list. Can I get a link to this please?

He's probably talking about Bethesda Softworks, and not Bethesda Game Studios.

[N3T4]

God haha. Everytime I check this thread the exact same conversation is going on. No one really knows anything for certain but anything vaguely based on facts has been talked to death and somehow this thread persists.

Haha. I know, Right?

"Skyrim blah blah blah Copyright Laws blah blah blah Trademark..." ad nauseam.

Just how long can you repeat the same [censored]?

[Jarrett Willis]

Just how long can you repeat the same [censored]?

At least 31 threads. Or 6200 posts.

But really, we don't know much, but we know more than nothing. Actually we know something big. And that is the trademark which expires soon for a video game named "Skyrim."

Its the biggest solid evidence we have for TESV.

There's really nothing else to speculate on:
1. Bethesda announcing at E3 is unlikely as they have never done this before and Pete Hines has personally said it is not a good place to do so.
2. Bethesda waiting until the 'next consoles' is also highly unlikely as Sony and Microsoft have both expressed that they want to keep the current consoles for several more years. The announcements and promotions of Natal and the PS Move are evidence of this.
3. Bethesda is working on a project (they have said this), and they have specifically said that they do not make MMOs. So, we can say with confidence that the next game is not going to be an MMO.
4. Obsidian is working on New Vegas, so we can say with confidence that the project Bethesda is working on is not Fallout-related.
5. Pete Hines has specifically said they realize how successful the TES series is and they have no plans to abandon it.
6. Pete Hines has expressed that QuakeCon is a good place to announce and/or showcase games, and Zenimax wants to expand it. QuakeCon is around the same time the trademark expires.
7. Bethesda has showcased both Oblivion and Fallout 3 in Gameinformer. They are likely to continue that pattern.
8. Bethesda has announced past games first online. They are likely to continue that pattern.

Likely scenario (in my opinion):
1. TESV announced, likely online, sometime between now and trademark expiration date.
2. Showcased in a Gameinformer.
3. Showcased at QuakeCon.
4. Usual showcasing at game conventions and online and stuff until release.
5. Released a year or two from now.

I think that the 'statement of use' and 'use in commerce' complicated trademark gooblygook, will not matter all that much in the end.

I mean, there's no way they can release TESV this summer.

[Nick Jase Mason]

Isn't Bethesda one of the companies making a game that uses Natal? Is it possible that TES V was delayed because they wanted to incorporate some sort of motion tracking that they originally didn't intend to have in the game?

[Avril Churchill]

Isn't Bethesda one of the companies making a game that uses Natal? Is it possible that TES V was delayed because they wanted to incorporate some sort of motion tracking that they originally didn't intend to have in the game?

I don't think they'd work like that as a company. My guess is the Natal game will be some minor game released by the European branch of Bethesda.

[Chase McAbee]

Isn't Bethesda one of the companies making a game that uses Natal? Is it possible that TES V was delayed because they wanted to incorporate some sort of motion tracking that they originally didn't intend to have in the game?

Oh Jesus, I hope not!!!!!!!

[Sammykins]

Isn't Bethesda one of the companies making a game that uses Natal?

Are they? Do you happen to have a link for that? Just out of curiosity

I don't think it's TES V, though. I can't imagine a good use for motion controls in a grand scale rpg :shrug:

[James Potter]

Are they? Do you happen to have a link for that? Just out of curiosity

I don't think it's TES V, though. I can't imagine a good use for motion controls in a grand scale rpg :shrug:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/102/1027876p1.html

Turns out it's Bethesda Softworks, not BGS, so I guess it could be almost anything.

[Anna Krzyzanowska]

Haha. I know, Right?

"Skyrim blah blah blah Copyright Laws blah blah blah Trademark..." ad nauseam.

Just how long can you repeat the same [censored]?

How long you ask? For as long as we have to keep refuting outdated posts like these below:

well i checked the E3 list bethesda is going to be there maybe they will reveal the game or maybe its because their publishing a couple of games

Isn't Bethesda one of the companies making a game that uses Natal? Is it possible that TES V was delayed because they wanted to incorporate some sort of motion tracking that they originally didn't intend to have in the game?