[Marquis deVille]

Well.....the first disappointment starts tomorrow then.........

Yeah, I totally know it's a long shot, but I worked backwards with marketing strategies and using three previous BGS releases... the math made these dates at the very least. The one critical supposition that really throws the whole thing off though is the E3 business... BGS does one big E3 showing per game. Fallout 3 had a closed room viewing, but other than that, there is only 1 big one before release. If that isn't this years, then it has to be next years and this whole timeline is shot to pooey!

[Marta Wolko]

I get it now! It won't be announced tomorrow! Here, look!

As Pete peruses this thread, enjoying our constant addicted musings to TES, he hatches a plot. He runs about to all the other excecs and, solely to screw over the timeline, announces it today.

BOOSH!

Well, I'm still hoping for the next GameInformer to be it, which would mean within the next few weeks here. I guess we'll see.

[le GraiN]

Why continiously have these very specific timelines...

• Morrowind Start Development - Anouncement: 15 months
  
• Oblivion Start Development - Anouncement: 28 months
  
• ? Start Development - Anouncement: 60 months

It will take a couple more months to annouce, so that'll be some more months slowely going more and more crazy, continously F5ing every page about TES... :ahhh:

[Lily Evans]

http://www.gamesas.com/eng/links/gamesas_jobs.html Not least of which being the "quest designer" mentioned above, but also "world artist." The description further encourages me.

So, IF we are right, they are doing detail work and making some quests. That can only bode well, right?

Well, I'm gonna go pick through my writing samples for that Quest Designer thing.

[JD FROM HELL]

http://www.gamesas.com/eng/links/gamesas_jobs.html Not least of which being the "quest designer" mentioned above, but also "world artist." The description further encourages me.

So, IF we are right, they are doing detail work and making some quests. That can only bode well, right?

Well, I'm gonna go pick through my writing samples for that Quest Designer thing.

Well if they have to hire personnel NOW and it is for TES V, then the game is not yet in full production.

[Jennifer May]

This could all be due to a retirement, a person leaving their job, some who was fired, or if nothing else this could further prove TES:V is in it's final major design stage and they're about to start a new project.

[Taylah Illies]

Well if they have to hire personnel NOW and it is for TES V, then the game is not yet in full production.

Yeah, i f anything, this is bad news for an imminent TES announcement. Or it could mean anything...

[Michelle Chau]

not that this isn't anything we didn't already know, but we can put the e3 showcase rumor to rest. http://bethblog.com/index.php/2010/06/01/e3-2010-lineup-were-going-to-need-a-bigger-booth/

[carrie roche]

not that this isn't anything we didn't already know, but we can put the e3 showcase rumor to rest. http://bethblog.com/index.php/2010/06/01/e3-2010-lineup-were-going-to-need-a-bigger-booth/

I didn't expect much more. Still, I look forward to seeing a new trailer and maybe some gameplay of New Vegas.

[Chris Cross Cabaret Man]

I look forward to seeing a new trailer and maybe some gameplay of New Vegas.

me too, just bought FO:3 for my 360(already had it on pc) since i had a $20 gift card to best buy and am looking for to playing new vegas when it drops...


still... holding out hope for quakecon

[Aaron Clark]

I think you may have missed my point. The entire notion of "market research" you are citing is not new; they've used that in every one of their extensions filed and is not unique to their most recent extension.

I think you missed my point: This isn't about the status of the trademark. I think "marketing research" said it was better to revive the Oblivion store than to build a Skyrim store, leading to the dropped portion of the trademark. I mean, doesn't it seem entirely too unlikely that the dropping of an online store trademark would occur before an old, defunct online store revives?

[Elle H]

not that this isn't anything we didn't already know, but we can put the e3 showcase rumor to rest. http://bethblog.com/index.php/2010/06/01/e3-2010-lineup-were-going-to-need-a-bigger-booth/

Seems depressing at first, but every single comment left on this blog page is asking for TES:V. That's awesome. We're definitely getting through to Bethesda, and we all know they listen to their fans more than most companies. E3 might not unveil our holy grail, but QuakeCon holds a lot of promise and is right around the corner.

I think you missed my point: This isn't about the status of the trademark. I think "marketing research" said it was better to revive the Oblivion store than to build a Skyrim store, leading to the dropped portion of the trademark. I mean, doesn't it seem entirely too unlikely that the dropping of an online store trademark would occur before an old, defunct online store revives?

Indeed, I agree with you here. Also, i'm not tech-savvy with web pages... but it is possible to change a web address, or even create a new one and redirect from the old... correct? So just because they've revived the Oblivion store, doesn't mean it won't be changing name to the Skyrim store right after an announcement, if that is true. Perhaps they've revived it recently to begin work on new product listings, and have got a new name and layout being worked on as we speak?

[Kerri Lee]

not that this isn't anything we didn't already know, but we can put the e3 showcase rumor to rest. http://bethblog.com/index.php/2010/06/01/e3-2010-lineup-were-going-to-need-a-bigger-booth/

An ES: V announcement could still be a surprise. The 'official' list of games to be showcased doesn't mean much going into E3.

Not one of those games mentioned is even developed by Bethesda and we know they are working on something.

[RObert loVes MOmmy]

not that this isn't anything we didn't already know, but we can put the e3 showcase rumor to rest. http://bethblog.com/index.php/2010/06/01/e3-2010-lineup-were-going-to-need-a-bigger-booth/

I think it's pretty safe to say we won't be hearing anything about TES V until after New Vegas is released. They wouldn't want TES V to steal New Vegas's thunder and would want to focus their marketing on just one of the two at a time.

[Michael Korkia]

An ES: V announcement could still be a surprise. The 'official' list of games to be showcased doesn't mean much going into E3.

Not one of those games mentioned is even developed by Bethesda and we know they are working on something.

Indeed. There would be little point in any company making any announcement at E3 if it was given away by the list of games present. When was the last time you saw Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft's brand new unannounced game on their list? Oh yeah, never.

[Tracy Byworth]

I think it's pretty safe to say we won't be hearing anything about TES V until after New Vegas is released. They wouldn't want TES V to steal New Vegas's thunder and would want to focus their marketing on just one of the two at a time.

With that theory...why are they showcasing three other games not including New Vegas. These could, theoretically, take away the 'thunder' from New Vegas.

[Amanda savory]

With that theory...why are they showcasing three other games not including New Vegas. These could, theoretically, take away the 'thunder' from New Vegas.

If they were decent games, yes, they theoretically could.
Realistically though, those other games are not going to take any thunder away from anything since they have none of their own.

[Janeth Valenzuela Castelo]

If they were decent games, yes, they theoretically could.
Realistically though, those other games are not going to take any thunder away from anything since they have none of their own.

That's wrong, Brink actually has a lot of hype going for it, as does Rage to a lesser extent.

Announcing TES V wouldn't take thunder away from New Vegas. New Vegas comes out in the fall, and TES V wouldn't come out for at least another year. The people who are already hyped about New Vegas aren't going to think "Well, TES V is coming in a year, screw New Vegas." And whenever some game blog talks about New Vegas, they aren't going to say "Oh but hey guys forget about New Vegas TES V is coming!" TES and Fallout are different games with different fans, they wont interfere with each other.

[katie TWAVA]

With that theory...why are they showcasing three other games not including New Vegas. These could, theoretically, take away the 'thunder' from New Vegas.

Those games are completely different genres than TES V. They're also new IP's, unlike TES and Fallout, so they don't have much of a following and don't share a lot of the same fanbase like TES and Fallout do.

It would be sort of like if Activision had revealed Call of Duty: Black Ops last year while Modern Warfare 2 was still in development. It just wouldn't make much sense.

[Jennifer Munroe]

That's wrong, Brink actually has a lot of hype going for it, as does Rage to a lesser extent.

Where?

[Steven Nicholson]

Where?

...What do you mean where? There isn't a "hype database" I can just direct you to. But I check up on gaming blogs ever day (Joystiq, VG247, Kotaku), and they whenever they post Brink news, which is often just a few new images, the comments on those news stories show how hyped people are for it. Also the Brink forum here is much more active than the forums of Bethesda's other published games (besides New Vegas).

[Gavin Roberts]

...What do you mean where? There isn't a "hype database" I can just direct you to. But I check up on gaming blogs ever day (Joystiq, VG247, Kotaku), and they whenever they post Brink news, which is often just a few new images, the comments on those news stories show how hyped people are for it. Also the Brink forum here is much more active than the forums of Bethesda's other published games.

The oldest thread on the first page of the New Vegas general discussion is about 14 hours old. The oldest on the first page of the Brink forum is 8 pm May 30th...

[Rudy Paint fingers]

The oldest thread on the first page of the New Vegas general discussion is about 14 hours old. The oldest on the first page of the Brink forum is 8 pm May 30th...

I meant besides New Vegas. Forgot to add that, sorry.

[Lawrence Armijo]

...What do you mean where? There isn't a "hype database" I can just direct you to. But I check up on gaming blogs ever day (Joystiq, VG247, Kotaku), and they whenever they post Brink news, which is often just a few new images, the comments on those news stories show how hyped people are for it. Also the Brink forum here is much more active than the forums of Bethesda's other published games (besides New Vegas).

That is exactly what I meant by "where".

Now as far as hype goes, blog posts, screen shots, and forum activity is par for the course for any game, but it does have a severe limitation: only people who know about it will go to those places. My point (sorry if it wasn't clear) is that without television ads or large ads in magazines, a game does not have thunder outside of the group of gamers already aware of it.

[Princess Johnson]

Those games are completely different genres than TES V. They're also new IP's, unlike TES and Fallout, so they don't have much of a following and don't share a lot of the same fanbase like TES and Fallout do.

It would be sort of like if Activision had revealed Call of Duty: Black Ops last year while Modern Warfare 2 was still in development. It just wouldn't make much sense.

Bioware released Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 2 three months apart. Two very different RPGs released only a few months apart has been successful in the past. Both were developed by Bioware. In this case Fallout New Vegas isn't even being developed by Bethesda (Obsidian) and we know Bethesda is developing something (hopefully ES V).

Having a surprise teaser for ES V is not unrealistic at E3 even with the other four games already mentioned.