[NO suckers In Here]

Haha, just to bring up a point to Bethesda if they care about us and actually listen to what we say, check out the guy on the bottom xD http://e3.gamespot.com/editors-most-anticipated/index.html?tag=topslot%3btitle%3b3

[sarah taylor]

I don't think (or hope) anyone thinks it'll be announced at QuakeCon, I think it's more likely that they'll announce it before the trademark expires and then advertise that they'll be showing it at QuakeCon.

This is what I believe. As I've said, though, QuakeCon or not, letting the trademark expire would be an uncharacteristic waste of time and money. That's why I believe it's genuine.

[D IV]

Haha, just to bring up a point to Bethesda if they care about us and actually listen to what we say, check out the guy on the bottom xD Gamespot E3 Anticipated Games (scroll down to last guy)

Bethesda: How about some Elder Scrolls V news, please

What do you think we've been doing since Fallout 3 was announced :stare:

[glot]

This is what "could" happen.

They announce ESV before the expiring date of the trademark...alongside it they will release a really short teaser trailer.(like what they did with Brink, you only saw an eye with a tear of blood comming down) And afterwards they will release more footage, maybe at quakecon, or between E3 and quakecon.

If nothing happens as it was speculated here, they do not file an statement of use, the trademark expires and the gameannouncement is prosponed untill atleast this years fall. (Since during the summer most people are on holiday, and the announcement would not get a lot of attention)

Pas

[anna ley]

I don't think the next ES game will be based in Skyrim, the location just wouldn't be as aesthetically pleasing as, say, Cyrodiil. I think the trademark is a decoy, which seems to be working. I wouldn't be surprised if they announce the name and game location to be something completely different. Jus' sayin' .

[Esther Fernandez]

I don't think the next ES game will be based in Skyrim, the location just wouldn't be as aesthetically pleasing as, say, Cyrodiil. I think the trademark is a decoy, which seems to be working. I wouldn't be surprised if they announce the name and game location to be something completely different. Jus' sayin' .

I don't think aesthetically pleasing is how a playable TES province should be. Remember Morrowind? Ashlands, mountains, "forests" of giant mushrooms, everything was desolate. Not aesthetically pleasing at all. And hey, Bloodmoon took place in Solstheim, an island which is part of no province, except that it is close to Skyrim and has a similar climate. The goal of the TES games, is to make you play in one of these provinces, show you the geographic, social, political and religious particularities of it, and give you a cool main quest with the daedric lords and the likes. Also, Cyrodil is probably the most aesthetically pleasing province, making every other province less pleasing to see. Blackmarsh is, well, marshes, so if we had to exclude provinces like these, we would limit the provinces to visit, which is something I'm sure Bethesda doesn't want to do. Hammerfell and High Rock has already been used for Daggerfall too.

Also, I see no reason for Skyrim to not be TES V. First of all, the title, why would they waste such a title? Daggerfall was name after the city because it took place in High Rock and Hammerfell, and Morrowind was called Morrowind, well because it happened in Morrowind. Why would they try to trademark a name of a province if they never wanted to make it the next TES game? And then Oblivion was called Oblivion because a part of the game happened in Oblivion as Shivering Isles happened there. I'm pretty sure they called TES IV Oblivion instead of Cyrodil because they thought it was a better name and maybe more descriptive of the game. Skyrim seems like a fine name to me, and the province has two shared borders with the TES III and IV provinces; Morrowind and Cyrodil, so that would make sense to play 200 years from what happened in both aforementioned provinces since you'd probably learn what happened after due to the proximity as well as there would maybe be political problems. Like we know, the Nords of Skyrim invaded Morrowind from the North and the Argonians from the South. So chances are, there'd be political tensions between both provinces.

[Josephine Gowing]

Heres speculation: they've been makeing it while upping the engine.

[Chelsea Head]

Heres speculation: they've been makeing it while upping the engine.

That's not speculation, that's common sense.

[Bonnie Clyde]

That's not speculation, that's common sense.

So common sense states they have been working on this sense GotY Oblivion was released, how many years ago? They better have an official presentation at Quakecon, ooooh, if not, uhuh...

[Bloomer]

Am I the only one here who thinks the trademark doesn't means a thing? I'm prepared to be told yes.

[Angus Poole]

So common sense states they have been working on this sense GotY Oblivion was released, how many years ago? They better have an official presentation at Quakecon, ooooh, if not, uhuh...

They've also had the majority of their team working on Fallout 3 in-between then... It will take a bit more time than if they didn't develop FO3.

[renee Duhamel]

Am I the only one here who thinks the trademark doesn't means a thing? I'm prepared to be told yes.

Ezekiel, we've run through this a dozen times, we all know that there is a possibility that it is a fraud, but until the first trademark expires we have to assume it is real.

[Lizbeth Ruiz]

Am I the only one here who thinks the trademark doesn't means a thing? I'm prepared to be told yes.

Probably, but you're allowed to think whatever you want!

[Nicole Coucopoulos]

Ezekiel, we've run through this a dozen times, we all know that there is a possibility that it is a fraud, but until the first trademark expires we have to assume it is real.

True. Untill the first Trademark expires (which according to me would also be the 27th of July) we don't know anything for sure.
And that is still only the merchandise trademark. They may still decide to drop that one if it turns out the location of TES V is Skyrim, but it's not really the name of the new game.
So really, untill the game trademark expires (or untill they announce of course) we don't know anything for sure.
Keep in mind that there are some other relatively new or renewed trademarks they applied for, e.g.: Deathmark and Dishonored.

[BRIANNA]

True. Untill the first Trademark expires (which according to me would also be the 27th of July) we don't know anything for sure.
And that is still only the merchandise trademark. They may still decide to drop that one if it turns out the location of TES V is Skyrim, but it's not really the name of the new game.
So really, untill the game trademark expires (or untill they announce of course) we don't know anything for sure.
Keep in mind that there are some other relatively new or renewed trademarks they applied for, e.g.: Deathmark and Dishonored.

It has been my position for some time now that they are going to let "Skyrim" lapse because they have chosen a new name. I rationalize their continued extension filings as being a safety measure in case their new names didn't pan out.

[Rob]

True. Untill the first Trademark expires (which according to me would also be the 27th of July) we don't know anything for sure.
And that is still only the merchandise trademark. They may still decide to drop that one if it turns out the location of TES V is Skyrim, but it's not really the name of the new game.
So really, untill the game trademark expires (or untill they announce of course) we don't know anything for sure.
Keep in mind that there are some other relatively new or renewed trademarks they applied for, e.g.: Deathmark and Dishonored.

It also fits that if skyrim is legit. Deathmark and Dishonored could be DLC like shivering isles and Knights of the Nine

[Jack]

It also fits that if skyrim is legit. Deathmark and Dishonored could be DLC like shivering isles and Knights of the Nine

I dare to question that. The Dishonored trademark has been filed for the first time back in 2003, and was abandoned on 22-12-2007.
I don't think they would file for a DLC name in 2003 when the Skyrim Trademark (game) hasn't been filed until 10-10-2006.
It could technically be the other way around of course, although I do admit that is highly unlikely to say the least.

Actual status of Dishonored is:
It was re-aplied for on 12-12-2007, NOA date is 29-07-2008 and the date of the 3rd extension is 27-01-2010, which (according to me) would make D-day on this trademark 27-07-2011.

[Roy Harris]

It has been my position for some time now that they are going to let "Skyrim" lapse because they have chosen a new name. I rationalize their continued extension filings as being a safety measure in case their new names didn't pan out.

It is certainly a possibility we should acknowledge, but I don't consider it likely.

It also fits that if skyrim is legit. Deathmark and Dishonored could be DLC like shivering isles and Knights of the Nine

My position here is the same as above. It is always a possibility, but it's really difficult to anticipate for what these are reserved.


Something that's come to mind as another possibility, that gets around the Skyrim trademark debacle, is that they could just announce they're making TES:V without giving the name of the title. In fact, they could just withhold the title as a teaser until a later date that they're able to reapply for a trademark. The Elder Scrolls is already a registered trademark so it would not require any further action on Zenimax's part. It's not been done before, though, so who knows... :shrug:

[Juliet]

I don't see how Dishonored could be the name of TES V. That doesn't really "fit" in the TES universe, imo. The only way that would work was if it was Redguard-centric and in Hammerfell, because that's the only race that really does the whole honor and dishonor thing besides the Dunmer. :shrug:

[Minako]

I don't see how Dishonored could be the name of TES V. That doesn't really "fit" in the TES universe, imo. The only way that would work was if it was Redguard-centric and in Hammerfell, because that's the only race that really does the whole honor and dishonor thing besides the Dunmer. :shrug:

I'm not saying it will, but I do feel obligated to throw all options out there, since this is the speculation thread.
Then again...... you never know..... :laugh:

[Hella Beast]

Is it true that they allowed certain trademarks to expire before TES IV? I've heard that certain trademarks including oblivion and summerset were filed before and were let to expire, just curiosity :dance:

[City Swagga]

Is it true that they allowed certain trademarks to expire before TES IV? I've heard that certain trademarks including oblivion and summerset were filed before and were let to expire, just curiosity :dance:

Summerset was never filed iirc, if it was I think we'd see it as a dead trademark. They planned on setting TES III there but chose to go with Morrowind instead. And yeah they let a trademark for Oblivion expire but as you know they eventually used the name for TES IV anyway.

[Lifee Mccaslin]

Summerset was never filed iirc, if it was I think we'd see it as a dead trademark. They planned on setting TES III there but chose to go with Morrowind instead. And yeah they let a trademark for Oblivion expire but as you know they eventually used the name for TES IV anyway.

But it does lend some weight to letting Skyrim expire... even if they choose to use it later. The Skyrim application date was a full two years before the release of Fallout 3, and who knows how that really affected Beths plans.

While I see credibility there I hold out hope none-the-less for this timeline:

TESV: ((Skyrim))
3/20/2006 – TESIV released (potential start date for concept artist not used/completed on FO3)
10/10/2006 – Skyrim Trademark Application Date
10/28/2008 – Bethesda resources divided into “next big project” and FO3 DLC
10/14/2009 – The Infernal City Release Date set (Amazon.com retracts “200 years” statement)
11/24/2009 – The Infernal City Released
1/15/2010 – TESting Your Knowledge Trivia Begins (Prize: The Infernal City)
3/30/2010 – TESting Your Knowledge Trivia Ends (Prize: The Infernal City)
4/27/2010 – Bethesda Store Returns with TESIV DLC (Skyrim trademark is for clothing/booklets)
6/2/2010 - elderscrolls.com is updated with an announcement of TESV
6/7/2010 – Cover of GameInformer reveals first screens of TESV (July Edition)
6/14/2010 – Bethesda Online Store includes Official TESV merchandise clothing/booklets
6/15/2010 – E3 begins and Bethesda reveals game play footage of TESV
7/13/2010 - Second Elder Scrolls release date is revealed
7/31/2010 – Skyrim clothing/booklets Trademark Expiration date
8/12/2010 – QuakeCon (possible marketing platform for TESV)
11/23/2010 - Second Elder Scrolls novel is released and release date of 3/15/2011 for TESV is revealed
3/15/2011 – TESV Released

...only 7 days until the announcement! Hopefully...

[Robert]

An official word would be nice, some kind of feedback to let us know they hear us and they have begun TESV.

I mean look at these message boards Bethesda, TESIV was released over 4 years ago and you still have this type of fan base on here talking about the game. Throw us a bone here

[Loane]

They did allow the Oblivion trademark to expire but that was only a short time after it was registered. They decided to go with Morrowind instead before they bring back Oblivion years later. But it is different with Skyrim as they keep on renewing it for 4 years now. And it doesn't make any sense to keep on renewing a trademark if you don't intend to use it in the near future.