[Valerie Marie]

I despise all the hate on Skyrim. I for one thought Bloodmoon was the best (though somewhat concise) thing Bethesda has yet offered us! Skyrim, I imagine, would be even more awesome!!!

I want an alien landscape, not ice, rocks, and snow. At least Oblivion's forests and swamps are pretty. Solstheim is a frozen wasteland. I want TES V to look like Vvardenfell, alien.

[Richard Thompson]

I despise all the hate on Skyrim. I for one thought Bloodmoon was the best (though somewhat concise) thing Bethesda has yet offered us! Skyrim, I imagine, would be even more awesome!!!

I think Skyrim would be great if the Nords had Norwegian accents

[phil walsh]

I want an alien landscape, not ice, rocks, and snow. At least Oblivion's forests and swamps are pretty. Solstheim is a frozen wasteland. I want TES V to look like Vvardenfell, alien.

If you don't like the setting, well, that's losing the lottery, basically. General game features can be argued over whether they were a good idea or whether they were implemented well, but basic like/dislike of an environment is going to be little more than opinion. You don't like snow. Some people don't care, some DO like snow. If the game comes out and that's what it is, too bad for you, but that's what you get.

[Eddie Howe]

If you don't like the setting, well, that's losing the lottery, basically. General game features can be argued over whether they were a good idea or whether they were implemented well, but basic like/dislike of an environment is going to be little more than opinion. You don't like snow. Some people don't care, some DO like snow. If the game comes out and that's what it is, too bad for you, but that's what you get.

I know, but I'm hoping for some variety in that snowy terrain, not just snow, some grass here, some pine trees there, ice, and rocks. Oh, look, there's a polar bear.

[Thema]

It should be noted that before Morrowind came out, the only description we had of its geography was ash. The ground was black, the sky was black, the elves were black, because Red Mountain was constantly spewing out ash clouds that coated the entire land, even off of the island. The only reason we had to expect any alien flora/fauna was because those were the only types that could survive in the ash. Obviously, when the game came out and we went there, it wasn't quite that uniform. Later, generic design and lack of variety were popular complaints about Oblivion. There is no reason to think that Skyrim can't be varied and interesting to look at, snow or not; Bethesda simply needs to expend some effort in that direction. Whether they will, who knows.

[Lauren Dale]

It should be noted that before Morrowind came out, the only description we had of its geography was ash. The ground was black, the sky was black, the elves were black, because Red Mountain was constantly spewing out ash clouds that coated the entire land, even off of the island. The only reason we had to expect any alien flora/fauna was because those were the only types that could survive in the ash. Obviously, when the game came out and we went there, it wasn't quite that uniform. Later, generic design and lack of variety were popular complaints about Oblivion. There is no reason to think that Skyrim can't be varied and interesting to look at, snow or not; Bethesda simply needs to expend some effort in that direction. Whether they will, who knows.

I believe Skyrim can be interesting. Yes, Bethesda can change Skyrim. I'm curious to see how they will do it. Yes, Vvardenfell before Morrowind's release was just one giant ashland. Hopefully, Skyrim won't just be one giant mountainous region with snow in it. However, the only reason that my doubts are as strong as they are are the Nords. They aren't magical beings, so I'm a little worried about just how mystical their land(which they complain about) will be.

[Sunnii Bebiieh]

However, the only reason that my doubts are as strong as they are are the Nords. They aren't magical beings, so I'm a little worried about just how mystical their land(which they complain about) will be.

The dunmer aren't really magical either. Not really moreso than other races, certainly; I don't think even the Telvanni were referred to as mages before Morrowind's release. Earlier text mostly regards them as clannish, nomadic warrior peoples...much like the nords are often thought of, really. Besides, the nords do have a lot of their own unique magic in their history. To quote a book:

"The most powerful Nords cannot speak without causing destruction. They must go gagged, and communicate through a sign language and through scribing runes.

The further north you go into Skyrim, the more powerful and elemental the people become, and the less they require dwellings and shelters. Wind is fundamental to Skyrim and the Nords; those that live in the far wastes always carry a wind with them."

That at least implies the Nordic people have some very powerful shamanistic wizard types wandering around out there.

[Irmacuba]

I believe Skyrim can be interesting. Yes, Bethesda can change Skyrim. I'm curious to see how they will do it. Yes, Vvardenfell before Morrowind's release was just one giant ashland. Hopefully, Skyrim won't just be one giant mountainous region with snow in it. However, the only reason that my doubts are as strong as they are are the Nords. They aren't magical beings, so I'm a little worried about just how mystical their land(which they complain about) will be.

Don't judge Skyrim based on the Jerall Mountains: it's just one small area of Cyrodiil. Obviously, if it's going to be featured prominently in Skyrim, the snow is going to have a little more effort put into it. I felt the same way about Skyrim, but now I'm quite excited about it. We need a different landscape for the next game from Cyrodiil's, and Skyrim has potential. Admittedly, it's not as alien as some of the other provinces, but I still think there's plenty of potential. As for the Nords, you may have a good point there. I'm not worried about how "mystical" the land is, but I hope they try to steer away from the whole "Nords=Vikings" clich?. But they said they want to bring back the culture from Morrowind, and the cities are much more interesting politically than Oblivion's was, so we'll see what happens. Overall, I'm happy to have it in Skyrim.

[Samantha Jane Adams]

I want an alien landscape, not ice, rocks, and snow. At least Oblivion's forests and swamps are pretty. Solstheim is a frozen wasteland. I want TES V to look like Vvardenfell, alien.

I doubt Bethesda is going to stick to Skyrim being a chunk of ice. They'll probably hange it, with southern Skyrim being slightly warmer (Think Highlands of Scotland ^_^). And Northern Skyrim will likely be the Red Mountain of the game. There will be a lot of icey mountains and caves, and will be high end.

If you think of Wold of Warcraft's Wrath of the Lich King (Don't eat me :unsure: ) They did a pretty good job at making it not seem very earth-ey. Wildlife can make a huge difference in the game setting. If they end up using Lions, Deer and Goblins again, it'll be the same as any RPG, but if they use the oncept artists from Morrowind, it'll be one of the most unique games ever.

[Raymond J. Ramirez]

Thank you for wasting about 15 posts on this off-topic crap. :stare:

It would be pretty odd if Bethesda cared so much that a few of us knew about their trademark that they've been renewing it just to throw us off. :shrug:

But we're like their #1 fans and they care about us...right?!

Like I said, I don't see it as a probability.

With Oblivion's announcement they announced the magazine cover pretty much right after the announcement for the game, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did the same for TES V.

Correct, but "right after" is still usually a couple weeks after the announcement.

[RObert loVes MOmmy]

Hey guys, I just google searched E3 2010, and looked up their current exhibitor list. Bethesda is on there.

Of course, whether or not they will or will not announce or even show anything at E3 has been discussed to death, so I'll just leave it at "hey guys they're on the list for E3."

[Gavin boyce]

Skyrim will be composed of boreal and tundra biomes, which are the largest and most diverse biomes(translation: more varied and interesting that any other biomes, so anything but boring) in the world. Rather than retype it all, i'll just repost something I typed several threads ago when this came up before:

Northern biomes are composed of boreal forest and tundra, two of the most interesting ecosystems in the entire world, particularly the boreal ecosystems. Also keep in mind that northern Cyrodiil was only covered in snow because of the elevation - the Jerall Mountains. Despite the border regions showing snow further north, i'm sure that's going to be changed for TES:V. As the player decends those mountains into Skyrim, the snow will dissipate, and you'll venture into some of the most fascinating cold-climate regions in all of Tamriel. Cold doesn't mean snow. Cold just means cold.

Expect Boreal forests like http://bioweb.uwlax.edu/bio203/s2009/nelson_lau4/boreal%20forest%20dr%20volk.jpg.

Tundra expanses like http://www.bio.miami.edu/dana/pix/tundra.jpg.

And scenic lakes like http://www.great-adventures.com/images/canada/Emerald%20Lake.jpg.

And that's before reaching the beautiful snowscapes ^_^

Tie that together with all the awesome lore that exists for the province, the similarities with Norse mythology which to some people is even more awesome than Greek mythology, and Bethesda's ability to create amazing environments within their game, and this region could provide the best looking and most interesting TES game to date.

And thanks for that info TengenToppa. We knew they would be attending to show off Brink and New Vegas, but with that trademark expiring shortly after the show, there's a lot of hope for a TESV showcase as well. I guess only time will tell.

Time's a [censored]...

[Taylrea Teodor]

Hey guys, I just google searched E3 2010, and looked up their current exhibitor list. Bethesda is on there.

Of course, whether or not they will or will not announce or even show anything at E3 has been discussed to death, so I'll just leave it at "hey guys they're on the list for E3."

For all we know, they might just be there to exhibit New Vegas Damn it, Fallout.... WHHHHYYYYYYYY?!?!?!

On another note #2: They could mention it, yet they've never done it before... Todd Howard says, "New Vegas is gonna be great!! Now check out this TESV trailer."

[Emily abigail Villarreal]

On another note #2: They could mention it, yet they've never done it before... Todd Howard says, "New Vegas is gonna be great!! Now check out this TESV trailer."

TES:IV Oblivion was shown for the very first time at E3 2005, after being announced with a few screens in a handful of magazines including Game Informer.

So you could in fact argue that E3 2010 is the most likely time we'll see a trailer of TES:V.

[Dalley hussain]

TES:IV Oblivion was shown for the very first time at E3 2005, after being announced with a few screens in a handful of magazines including Game Informer.

So you could in fact argue that E3 2010 is the most likely time we'll see a trailer of TES:V.

Antibody at the moment doubts it... Why is that again?

[Judy Lynch]

Antibody at the moment doubts it... Why is that again?

I think we all expect it, including Antibody, because of the trademark's expiration date. It has to be announced before the end of July / beginning of August, and E3 would be the perfect place to showcase with all that media attention.


The Game Informer speculation is based on the fact that Bethesda have always announced a game in that magazine before showing it off at a later date, rather than announcing and showing it off in the same day.

[Red Sauce]

I think it's more likely to see ESV in action at E3 2011, not this E3.

[Jinx Sykes]

I think it's more likely to see ESV in action at E3 2011, not this E3.

true^

I'm looking for an acknowledgment of the game at E3, that's enough for me haha

[Melissa De Thomasis]

TES:IV Oblivion was shown for the very first time at E3 2005, after being announced with a few screens in a handful of magazines including Game Informer.

So you could in fact argue that E3 2010 is the most likely time we'll see a trailer of TES:V.

Antibody at the moment doubts it... Why is that again?

The reason I doubt it is because while Morrowind was indeed shown at E3 2001, it wasn't shown at E3 2000, even though it was announced before then. Oblivion wasn't shown at E3 2004, but only because it was announced afterwards. I don't know, it could be revealed at E3. We'll see I guess.

[lauren cleaves]

I think it's more likely to see ESV in action at E3 2011, not this E3.

true^

I'm looking for an acknowledgment of the game at E3, that's enough for me haha

Short trailer or live demo, we're almost certainly going to get more than a simple announcement.

[Daramis McGee]

E3 or not to E3 that is the question....

I think I know whats keeping Beth,, Think they have came upon the Skyrim snow forum dilemma.. Who dp they keep happy. The folk who like skyrim or the folk who don't.
To keep both parties happy Ive came up with a novel way to solve it. Why not simply melt all the ice away? c'mon beth show us what you got hidden under all that snow!



Here is my theory for those who exel in threepwood mathematics.

Guybrush melt theory+Beth Dilemma+Global warming caused by the overuse of magic=Skyrims waiting for you all in 2012!!!!! Everyones a winner

[Naomi Lastname]

E3 or not to E3 that is the question....

I think I know whats keeping Beth,, Think they have came upon the Skyrim snow forum dilemma.. Who dp they keep happy. The folk who like skyrim or the folk who don't.
To keep both parties happy Ive came up with a novel way to solve it. Why not simply melt all the ice away? c'mon beth show us what you got hidden under all that snow!



Here is my theory for those who exel in threepwood mathematics.

Guybrush melt theory+Beth Dilemma+Global warming caused by the overuse of magic=Skyrims waiting for you all in 2012!!!!! Everyones a winner

The last thing I want Bethesda to do is pull an Oblivion and remove all the ice like they did with Cyrodiil's jungles. What's the point of having lore on different places if they're just going to throw it away every time they make a game there.

[CYCO JO-NATE]

Please excuse my lack of knowledge regarding trademarks, but does the expiration of the Skyrim trademark necessarily mean that they'd have to do something with it before that date? Couldn't they just 'renew' it or something of the sort? And if so, is that action - the renewal of a trademark - noticeable by us, the public? (just asking, not really implying anything)

Anyhow, aside from the trademark or TES, I'm just curious what they've been working on since they stopped working on Fallout 3. It would make sense to me to announce something about that project this year, seeing how most big studios are keen on keeping built-up momentum going.

[Melanie]

Why dont we all just quit driving ourselves mad and accept the reality that the soonest to hope for this game would be the very end of 2011 and likely sometime in 2012.....Four years not a single shred of info about it....its not coming anytime soon...they wont pull out a curtain and suddenly we see this masterpiece they kept secret....I dont doubt its in production...but I wouldnt be surprised if its not even half done.

[sexy zara]

Please excuse my lack of knowledge regarding trademarks, but does the expiration of the Skyrim trademark necessarily mean that they'd have to do something with it before that date? Couldn't they just 'renew' it or something of the sort? And if so, is that action - the renewal of a trademark - noticeable by us, the public? (just asking, not really implying anything)

Anyhow, aside from the trademark or TES, I'm just curious what they've been working on since they stopped working on Fallout 3. It would make sense to me to announce something about that project this year, seeing how most big studios are keen on keeping built-up momentum going.

They can't renew it, but they can file for another one. However the problem is that it takes anywhere from 6 months to a year to finalize a trademark, so if they do allow it to expire, they wont be able to announce it for months, and as a business, they can't afford to wait 6 months or more to announce it.

When the trademark expires after July 31st, we will be able to see it because it's status will change from "Live" to "Dead." Them renewing it is also something we could see, however they can't renew it anymore than they already have because they have to use it 36 months after they got the Notice of Allowance, or it will expire, and July 31st is 36 months.

And we know for a fact that they've been working on their new project since at least when Fallout 3 went gold. There's been a lot of arguments by people saying that they must have started on it earlier, but at the moment we don't know that for sure. The only thing we do know for sure is that they've been working on it since at least October 2008, and any dates before then are just guesses. Bethesda has told us when they started working on their previous games before, so I'm sure they'll do the same after they announce or release TES V.

Why dont we all just quit driving ourselves mad and accept the reality that the soonest to hope for this game would be the very end of 2011 and likely sometime in 2012.....Four years not a single shred of info about it....its not coming anytime soon...they wont pull out a curtain and suddenly we see this masterpiece they kept secret....I dont doubt its in production...but I wouldnt be surprised if its not even half done.

That is probably when it will be released, but we'll be hearing about it much sooner than that.