[Melis Hristina]

FPS means first person shooter, and it characterized by the player being in first person and shooting things.

Either way, genres are absolute bunk.

[Jarrett Willis]

FPS means first person shooter, and it characterized by the player being in first person and shooting things.

Either way, genres are absolute bunk.

This argument has appeared on the forums so many times. Let's go back to speculating about TESV.

Personally, I have to say that these last few days have been killing me. No word whatsoever. I guess I shouldn't be surprised...it's pretty much like it always has been on these forums, except now I'm actually expecting something.

[Manuel rivera]

FPS is a genre characterized by combat being controlled by the player and viewed in first person.
Every TES game matches that description and therefore every TES game is a FPS hybrid (since it they also use other genres).

Why the hostility toward FPS? It is just a genre...

But also, you know, shooting. Saying that the TES games are FPS hybrids is like saying cars are bicycle hybrids because cars borrowed the idea of wheels and locomotion.

But back in the speculation thread, I didn't realize that Bethesda still had until the end of July before they have to reapply for the tm. I was thinking it was June, for some reason.

[casey macmillan]

I also agree with Two Worlds svcking. Two worlds was supposed to be good. It svcked. Anyone who bought it regrets it. How likely are they to buy the sequel? Probably not...

Maybe if the game gets a good review on another magazine cover. I doubt it. Two Worlds II will svck.

Anyways: Not sure about TES:V... It's not so much "Fantasy" as it is RPG.

Thanks but.... how about you don't try to speak for everybody. I loved Two Worlds, and have been highly anticipating the sequel since before it was an expansion. Two worlds 2 is actually looking fantastic imo. But clearly... everyone who has an opinion that differs from you is in the wrong here. :flamethrower: :flame:

I do not think it has any chance of being on the cover, or getting the attention that TESV will get. But that in no way makes it a bad game.

[Shelby McDonald]

FPS is a genre characterized by combat being controlled by the player and viewed in first person.
Every TES game matches that description and therefore every TES game is a FPS hybrid (since it they also use other genres).

Why the hostility toward FPS? It is just a genre...

sorry I thought for a moment that fps were only mission games so sorry about that but in tes games you don't have to have go in first person and most tes are mostly about the world and story and the combat changes weren't that dramatic but a fps game would have combat improved more dramaticly then tes games.And(I know I am crazy for writing this)action is a major part of a fps requirement(imagine a fps game where you couldn't shoot)so I would say that tes games have some of the requirements to be half fps(especialy oblivion)but I wouldn't call it a hybrid.edit:oops sorry for continuing the argument but I started writing this when you guys started to finish the argument off.

[Dan Scott]

But also, you know, shooting. Saying that the TES games are FPS hybrids is like saying cars are bicycle hybrids because cars borrowed the idea of wheels and locomotion.

But back in the speculation thread, I didn't realize that Bethesda still had until the end of July before they have to reapply for the tm. I was thinking it was June, for some reason.

"Shooter", only because no one prior to Bethesda had thought about doing a fantasy-themed FPS/RPG, hence why the TES games are so unique. With the large increase in melee-heavy FPS games, it is not unreasonable to expect that the term may take on a new meaning of "First Person Shooter/Slasher".

A car is not a bicycle hybrid. Making that comparison is absurd due to the large number of differences between the structure, use, and specific purpose of cars and bicycles as well as the fact that neither "car" or "bicycle" can be argued as being allegorical to "genre".

TES is a hybrid between RPG and FPS because it draws heavily from both to arrive at an exceptional idea. Additionally, unless you have never used magic, bows, or thrown weapons, I expect you to know that you do plenty of "shooting" in TES games.


However, back to my main point, "Fantasy" is a thematic style and "RPG" is a genre. Everyone who has been proposing possible titles that match the GI tweet has been (subconsciously?) limiting their ideas to Fantasy RPGs when the quote does nothing to suggest what the genre will be.

[CHARLODDE]

Who cares what kind of genre TES IV fits into?What kind of TES V speculation is this?

[Kieren Thomson]

I believe it is until July 31st.

For the trademark application regarding game manuals and magazines, you are correct. If our interpretations are correct: They have until July 31st to prove Skyrim's use in commerce as a game manual or magazine, which, according to Sylt, an announcement would be sufficient. For the trademark application regarding the actual game itself, they have until August 14th. And for the trademark application regarding apparel (shirts, hats, etc.), they have until September 11th. For each of these trademark applications, not proving their uses in commerce by their respective dates would cause the applications to be denied and Bethesda would have to reapply (which could take up to a year).

It's a pretty big deal; which is why we hold considerable hope that we'll see the announcement in July.

[Taylor Tifany]

Who cares what kind of genre TES IV fits into?What kind of TES V speculation is this?

My thoughts exactly. Let's aim the discussion toward TES:V speculation.

[Marcin Tomkow]

Who cares what kind of genre TES IV fits into?What kind of TES V speculation is this?

The genre debate cropped up when I attempted to explain the difference between a genre and a thematic stye (in order to show that the GI cover is not necessarily limited to RPGs). Some other users did not agree with my use of "FPS" (which, when dealing with an amorphous concept like genres is to be expected), hence the back and forth.

Onward and upward!

[Annika Marziniak]

-snip-

Scary stuff. Does anyone have a link to ZeniMax's trademark page?

[Rob]

Scary stuff. Does anyone have a link to ZeniMax's trademark page?

It's not possible to leave a direct link that doesn't break. You'll have to go to http://tess2.uspto.gov and do a search yourself. I use the 'Structured Form Search' and search "Zenimax Media" (with quotes). This will bring up all the trademarks (pending and registered) that Zenimax Media holds. Skyrim will be listed three times (one for each application). If you click on 'TARR' next to each trademark, it'll bring up all the details regarding the application to date. They have a maximum of 36 months (with five 6-month extensions) after their Notice of Allowance to prove its use in commerce or else the application will be closed.

This should get you started. Have fun!

[Thomas LEON]

This should get you started. Have fun!

Oh, I shall.

Edit: Ah, Mud Duck. I will never forgive them for PowerDrome.

[Sammie LM]

I just read andy mcnamara's twitter and he says the cover art for the next THREE issues are"Amazing". Disheartening. I dont know why but it never occured to me before that the cover art for every issue ever put out is "Amazing".

[CHangohh BOyy]

I just read andy mcnamara's twitter and he says the cover art for the next THREE issues are"Amazing". Disheartening. I dont know why but it never occured to me before that the cover art for every issue ever put out is "Amazing".

Ugh... so it is just a standard "hype machine" comment to boost sales of the magazine then? It is possible I suppose, but maybe the next three really ARE "amazing". Maybe they have a real killer lineup of announcements coming out or something. Just have to wait and see I guess...

[Haley Merkley]

Ugh... so it is just a standard "hype machine" comment to boost sales of the magazine then? It is possible I suppose, but maybe the next three really ARE "amazing". Maybe they have a real killer lineup of announcements coming out or something. Just have to wait and see I guess...

Possible. But from his last tweet he was oddly specific with it being a "giant sequel, NOT at e3" which to me is unique. It is possible he mentioned that these next three covers are "amazing" to cover over how specific he was with the last tweet. Perhaps he was scolded for giving too many clues. Dunno.

[Kat Ives]

It may mean nothing at all, I'm just a natural pessimist but I still harbour some hope.Cold harbour that is.

[Paul Rice]

following the link stain provided and querying Zenimax Media, it seems all 3 skyrim trademakrs were filed for in 2006. Why would they have filed for it that far back? would work have even started on on TES:V then? i thought all their focus was on FO3 after Oblivion?

[Bad News Rogers]

following the link stain provided and querying Zenimax Media, it seems all 3 skyrim trademakrs were filed for in 2006. Why would they have filed for it that far back? would work have even started on on TES:V then? i thought all their focus was on FO3 after Oblivion?

Bethesda thinks pretty far ahead.

[Mr. Allen]

Possible. But from his last tweet he was oddly specific with it being a "giant sequel, NOT at e3" which to me is unique.

Exactly, that's the interesting part. Not the cover art being amazing, but the game being a giant sequel not shown at E3.

It's not by any means guaranteed, but it could well be the game we're hoping for.

[Chloe Yarnall]

Bethesda thinks pretty far ahead.

seems they do!

[Steve Smith]

Beth scale their games wrong.

[Travis]

im predicting a july 1st announcement via bethesda's website

[Scotties Hottie]

I actually think bethesda might wait until the skyrim trademark runs out because of two things beth change their minds alot(daggerfall was originaly going to be in the whole of morrowind)and the other reason is look at bethesda's maps cyrodiil is much bigger than skyrim so wouldn't it take less time to make so I think bethesda might have more than just skyrim so they leave it until the skyrim trademark is gone then make a new trademark so it doesn't mean there is only skyrim and then announce it or they won't wait untill the trademark is gone and over exaggerate the size of skyrim or make it less bare and more varied then cyrodiil.And they might not even be working on it yet.

The size of the province has nothing to do with it. Look at Daggerfall. In-game it is many many many times bigger than Oblivion's Cyrodiil, and Daggerfall only takes place within the Illiac Bay. No reason why they couldn't make Skyrim bigger than OB's Cyrodiil.

[DAVId MArtInez]

besides, wouldnt the game engine be improved and be able to handle a larger area with little difficulty?