Official TES V Speculation Thread # 50

Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:20 pm

wait i just had an idea, though i dunno if its already been discussed - what if TES:V is taking along time to announce because bethesda is incorparating id's game engine(cant remember its name) into the work they have already done on it? With Zenimax's purchase of Id why not use the new software ya got?


It's not that simple. When you are talking about two different engines, you are talking about two different types of programming being used in different ways. It's not so simple as adding feature A to Engine B, because it needs to be in a language and format Engine B can understand and use. And you are dealing with features that may more or less be incompatible with each other. While both engines are great, I don't see a very good chance of them getting together and having an epic superbaby of an engine.
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Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:26 pm

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1102241-project-offset-shut-down/page__view__findpost__p__16120761

http://www.destructoid.com/settle-down-crazy-people-red-5-s-mmo-is-still-on-178454.phtml Latest news says it is still on, I guess...

Who can keep up these days though? MMOs are off, on, off, on. Then they launch,http://www.destructoid.com/review-apb-178336.phtml, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix_Online#Closing or http://www.joystiq.com/2009/12/14/age-of-conan-gets-unlimited-free-trial-fine-print/, because nobody can do http://kotaku.com/5519154/blizzard-is-selling-world-of-warcraft-mounts-because-players-demanded-them now that it has been done.

Edit: whoops, the game that isn't cancelled just used Project Offset tech, but I'll leave the rest of the post up because of the snarky linkwork.
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Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:56 pm

The easiest way to go about accepting this is to understand that the probability Elder Scrolls V is being worked on is REALLY HIGH. Like it was said somewhere before, you don't pay a game development staff to sit around and watch videos on the internet all day. Because we have heard nothing about it for the longest time, I am taking that as a sign that there is something going on that we just haven't heard about yet. Their two titles are Elder Scrolls and Fallout. We know where the next Fallout game is. That can only mean they're up to one thing.

The best thing to do is to go about your life without paying attention to any of this. You forget all about it and become occupied with other things to do, and by the time it does come around, you'll be pleasantly surprised. As for me, there is nothing going on in my life right now, so this is really the only way to pass the time when I'm not at work.

Besides, if you want a game company that does not care about its players, go take a look at Blizzard and the fiasco they've gotten themselves into. Compared to them, Bethesda seems saintly.


You know, probability is something i really could care less about. There was very high probability that TES V was gonna be on August cover of GI and Dragon Age was lot less likely. Well we all know how that turned out. I really don`t wanna be so negative, but we all could need a sign or some confirmation from that TES V is in the making. Bethesda have probably a lot of pressure on them to reveal something about it, so i don`t see why they shouldnt give us that simple yes or no answer because they would probably handle the pressure from that aswell.
Yes i know a bit about Blizzard. The worlds slooooooowest game developer. Always trying to make their games perfect before releasing it. But what seperates Blizzard from Bethesda, is that Blizzard actually reveal their games years and years before release date. Like Diablo 3. I think they had been working on it in 1 year before they revealed information about the game: Videos, class information etc. World Of Warcraft was revealed many many years before release. If i remember correctly they had some kind of teaser already on the Warcraft 3 CD.
And the RPG games Blizzard makes have ton of competion from other game studios, and they handled the pressure very well. The games from Blizzard sold platinum after platinum so it didnt hurt their sales either. So i don`t understand why Bethesda have to be so quiet, atleast not giving us a simple clue of what their doing. I don`t like it :shakehead:

I have been lurking in various forums about TES V after i finished Oblivion for the third time or something, and i find it frustrating. I don`t know how you people who discuss this everyday can cope with the disappointmens though. Kudos to you :liplick:
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Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:14 pm

This is my first time posting. I am really happy to see such an active set of threads for the next ES game. I'm glad I am not alone.
I cannot believe that people actually think a new ES title is on the way, or that the announcement was going to be in the form of a game informer cover?
I'm not trying to bash, but some of you are way to hopeful. Furthermore, ES will not be announced at Quakecon. Have any of you ever been to there? Do you really think that an ES title would get announced for an event like that? Or would a new doom be a more logical announcment? It's QUAKECON!

Also, I would like to note that I don't think we will see an announcement for ES for a few years. I believe that Bethesda is waiting for the new consoles to come be announced so it can announce an ES game as a launch or early post-launch title. The cool thing about the ES series is that every game at least technically was miles ahead of the last. I think they were looking to release a game in 2010 and (as was announced in 2008) however, they realized that the technology isn't where it needs to be to release a game that is miles ahead of oblivion. I think we will see the ES announcment around the timeframe of PS4 and Xbox 720 (or whatever).


Just my two cents though.

-Serper
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Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:26 pm

Correct; it doesn't. It only covers the game itself. The application expiring July31st is for the manuals and magazines.

Could this have been already fulfilled with the first of the two novels that came out?
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Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:13 pm

http://www.destructoid.com/settle-down-crazy-people-red-5-s-mmo-is-still-on-178454.phtml Latest news says it is still on, I guess...Then they launch,http://www.destructoid.com/review-apb-178336.phtml, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowbane#Closureor http://www.joystiq.com/2009/12/14/age-of-conan-gets-unlimited-free-trial-fine-print/, because nobody can do what Blizzard did now that it has been done.


What seems to be there is that they admit Project Offset was cancelled, but are not letting that stop the development of their MMO. They're probably finding other technologies to work around.

You know, probability is something i really could care less about. There was very high probability that TES V was gonna be on August cover of GI and Dragon Age was lot less likely. Well we all know how that turned out. I really don`t wanna be so negative, but we all could need a sign or some confirmation from that TES V is in the making. Bethesda have probably a lot of pressure on them to reveal something about it, so i don`t see why they shouldnt give us that simple yes or no answer because they would probably handle the pressure from that aswell.
Yes i know a bit about Blizzard. The worlds slooooooowest game developer. Always trying to make their games perfect before releasing it. But what seperates Blizzard from Bethesda, is that Blizzard actually reveal their games years and years before release date. Like Diablo 3. I think they had been working on it in 1 year before they revealed information about the game: Videos, class information etc. World Of Warcraft was revealed many many years before release. If i remember correctly they had some kind of teaser already on the Warcraft 3 CD.
And the RPG games Blizzard makes have ton of competion from other game studios, and they handled the pressure very well. The games from Blizzard sold platinum after platinum so it didnt hurt their sales either. So i don`t understand why Bethesda have to be so quiet, atleast not giving us a simple clue of what their doing. I don`t like it :shakehead:

I have been lurking in various forums about TES V after i finished Oblivion for the third time or something, and i find it frustrating. I don`t know how you people who discuss this everyday can cope with the disappointmens though. Kudos to you :liplick:


No. The reality was that Elder Scrolls V had an equal probability to be on the cover as Dragon Age 2. We just tricked ourselves into thinking it didn't because it is being released so soon after the first installment. The truth is that short timeframes do not stop games from being released, but they do affect the quality.
But although Blizzard happens to be very open about what their plans are, this is also due to the fact that they are really leaky with information. If they don't say it themselves, I know of many other groups out there who would find out and spread the word anyways. I've kept tabs on things that were supposed to be secret, but which everyone found out anyways, such as all of the information about their Cataclysm expansion while it was under NDA. Blizzard sells games well because they have a large following of sheep who play WoW. I play WoW myself and know how their long-term plans intend to unify all of their games under WoW's success to ensure good sales, despite all of the controversy involved at the present. What Bethesda does, on the other hand, is create consistently good games. There may not be a lot of them, but they have all been major successes, because they take the time to fine tune everything in order to create a quality product. As for Blizzard, well, I remember the hype that they put into Starcraft: Ghost. That sure was a quality game released right there.
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Post » Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:03 am

Could this have been already fulfilled with the first of the two novels that came out?

I wouldn't think so. The book makes no direct references to TESV, and what indirect connections there were were carefully and quickly scrubbed out of existence (the amazon foreword, or whatever it was the proposed the book a link between 4 and 5).

If the book said "Soon to be a smash-hit videogame" on the cover under the title, that might qualify as indication of commercial use (and be very gauche) but short of that, I don't think so.

On the other hand, I'm convinced more and more every day that the USTPO system is intentionally inscrutable such that the best paid lawyers can pretty much make anything work for their well coffered clients, and shut out the little guy. But I'm a cynic.
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Post » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:56 am

Did this forum anticipate Oblivion's announcement as much as TES: V is now?
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Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:13 pm

Well, that's that.

I'm highly doubtful we'll hear anything about ESV at QuakeCon. They're going to spend the time again showcasing the four games Bethesda Softworks is publishing, and any announcements will be about Doom 4 and maybe anything else business-wise. John Carmack even said they'd talk a lot more about Doom 4 in an article I read a while ago on computerandvideogames.com I think.

Honestly, I don't think we'll get an announcement of ESV until late this year or sometime next year.

I'm out of here.


P.S. Brotha Spit, I know how you feel.

Yeah, it seems that TESV will remain a concept for a while yet. Oh well, I was really hoping for Game Informer this month. Well...I guess I might as well get excited for Halo:Reach...or some other game.
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Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:21 pm

I wouldn't think so. The book makes no direct references to TESV, and what indirect connections there were were carefully and quickly scrubbed out of existence (the amazon foreword, or whatever it was the proposed the book a link between 4 and 5).

If the book said "Soon to be a smash-hit videogame" on the cover under the title, that might qualify as indication of commercial use (and be very gauche) but short of that, I don't think so.

On the other hand, I'm convinced more and more every day that the USTPO system is intentionally inscrutable such that the best paid lawyers can pretty much make anything work for their well coffered clients, and shut out the little guy. But I'm a cynic.


I knew that the GI cover had released and it wasn't TESV the moment I came in here and saw that we were only on #50.

As far as the trademark goes, the trick that they used for the game mark was to originally apply for a rather basic and very specific mark. Once they ran out of extensions, they are simply letting the original mark application expire and opened a new application for the same thing, but in a slightly broader scope allowing them to classify it as a "new mark application". There is no reason to suspect that they will not do the same thing with the manual application.

Remember people, Bethesda does not currently hold a trademark for "Skyrim", they have a trademark application.
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Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:06 pm

I cannot believe that people actually think a new ES title is on the way, or that the announcement was going to be in the form of a game informer cover?

Actually TES IV's announcement went up along with an upcoming Game Informer cover, as did Fallout 3's unveiling.


To have a game announce solely through uploading an upcoming magazine cover would be silly but the assumption was if GI's cover included TES V then we'd be hearing about this from Bethesda before the cover went up. :)
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Post » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:49 am

Oblivion came out 4 years ago, so if they were almost done with it now (considering they worked on FO3), then it would most certainly be a piece of crap. So, we should actually be thankful (although it would be nice if they declared they were working on it).
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Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:34 pm

Oblivion came out 4 years ago, so if they were almost done with it now (considering they worked on FO3), then it would most certainly be a piece of crap. So, we should actually be thankful (although it would be nice if they declared they were working on it).


This is very true, but I don't believe any of us expected a RELEASE now, only an ANNOUNCEMENT. Most of us expected a late 2011/2012 release.
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This is my first time posting. I am really happy to see such an active set of threads for the next ES game. I'm glad I am not alone.
I cannot believe that people actually think a new ES title is on the way, or that the announcement was going to be in the form of a game informer cover?
I'm not trying to bash, but some of you are way to hopeful. Furthermore, ES will not be announced at Quakecon. Have any of you ever been to there? Do you really think that an ES title would get announced for an event like that? Or would a new doom be a more logical announcment? It's QUAKECON!

Also, I would like to note that I don't think we will see an announcement for ES for a few years. I believe that Bethesda is waiting for the new consoles to come be announced so it can announce an ES game as a launch or early post-launch title. The cool thing about the ES series is that every game at least technically was miles ahead of the last. I think they were looking to release a game in 2010 and (as was announced in 2008) however, they realized that the technology isn't where it needs to be to release a game that is miles ahead of oblivion. I think we will see the ES announcment around the timeframe of PS4 and Xbox 720 (or whatever).


Just my two cents though.

-Serper

We have 3 years ahead. After 2013, new rendering architectures will arrive with probably new consoles announcements. So we either wait for 3-5 years or have a title using the excellence of current gen. Now I think people here will go crazy if you're right! Me, I have Morrowind and engine reboots. :evil:
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Post » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:29 am

Y'know Stain, I just went over your list o' reasons TES V will be announced this summer, and I don't know how much water your observations hold anymore (that being said, they were absolutely brilliant at the time you wrote them :)).

At this point, do we even have any clues to a general release date or announcement other than past development cycles?


All of my speculation was based in probability; never certainty as we must always factor the unforeseen variable with unforeseen significance. The precision of my prediction must now be a relaxed a bit. The trademark applications provided the bulls eye to pin down July and the GI tweet was a tragically irresistible false correlation (which fooled me as well). I still believe this summer (late summer) holds a heightened chance for seeing TES:V but I cannot offer anything much closer than that.


If you can't stand disappointment, you can't afford to get involved in speculation. We were wrong (the evidence was better than you say it was, but that is beside the point). We've been wrong before, and probably will again. Any dashed hopes are on you for speculating, not the company for being mute.


I don`t know how you people who discuss this everyday can cope with the disappointmens though. Kudos to you :liplick:


The roller coaster ups and downs of speculation is not for the faint of heart, and this phenomenon of near-certain foresight turning into a recklessly wrong arrangement of the facts in hindsight can shatter one's confidence in knowing anything. However, I believe that by examining a similar visual phenomenon called matrixing we can apprehend a little insight into this game we call speculation.

Matrixing is a phenomenon of our eyes playing tricks upon the mind. It occurs when, whether by low-light or some other restriction, we are unable to see what's ahead of us with enough clarity to perceive it with certainty. Looking into a dark room we may only see a thin lip here, two white eyes there, and the vague outline of a form staring back. In an attempt to make any sense of it, our mind attempts to extrapolate (or "connect the dots") what we see into a form that makes sense. For all we know in this scenario we may in fact be confronted with a burglar. Flipping on the light reveals the points and features that were missing and reality becomes apparent. What at first seemed like a breathing prowler turns out in fact to have always been just some dusty old painting upon the wall. How often have you driven speedily along a dark road at night and caught the glowing eyes of a critter about to cross your path only to discover as you passed that it was in fact just some shiny reflector set to mark a hidden driveway? This is like speculation.


Could this have been already fulfilled with the first of the two novels that came out?


No, because 'Skyrim' was never used in the novel in the proper way that would distinguish it as a brand or product.
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Post » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:04 am

If the September issue of Game Informer is TES V; the cover would be released in early August. So maybe Bethesda could make reservations for this before the next trademark expires (is this a Use in Commerce?). Then a trailer at Quakecon and a 10 page issue about the game in September :obliviongate:

I don't think GI would have to release the details to the public, but as long as Skyrim is in a contract following its trademark I'd think that would qualify as use in commerce.

No. The reality was that Elder Scrolls V had an equal probability to be on the cover as Dragon Age 2. We just tricked ourselves into thinking it didn't because it is being released so soon after the first installment. The truth is that short timeframes do not stop games from being released, but they do affect the quality.

Bioware really did seem to crank out ME 1, ME 2, and DA in a shortish time frame. I wouldn't put it past them.
And despite a good story the "free world content" compared to TES is like, like a planter to a prarie. There is a reason Bioware can go faster.



Completely off topic. Who would like to see a well done re-iteration of PSO, or is there one?

[] and because it looks a bit funny.

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Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:57 pm

This is very true, but I don't believe any of us expected a RELEASE now, only an ANNOUNCEMENT. Most of us expected a late 2011/2012 release.


Yes, but as previously said a while back, they don't want to put a deadline on themselves.
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Post » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:11 am

Really hope that Quake con has some cool news. All I know is that after a decently long wait I don't want a game as linear as Oblivion.

Off Topic: GI's cover looked stupid, wasn't impressive at all.
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Post » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:50 am

I, too was hoping for a gi cover this month. But when they renewed the Skyrim application, my first thought was that they aren't going to announce for at least a few more months, maybe longer. But it is a good sign that TES5 is on the way. And every day, every week that goes by, means less bugs and more quests and content in the finished product. That's a good thing. Remember these are the folks who put dead trolls under bridges and all sorts of awesome easter eggs and such. I am still confindent we will see this game on the current generation. Tes 6 and Fallout 4 are more likely canidates for the next generation.

Also, let's hear it for the mods! They have had a lot of grief and crazieness to deal with lately, and it's kind of a thankless job to begin with, so thanks!
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Post » Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:39 am

Meh. So we have weeks of very-hopeful TESV speculation and then suddenly BioWare swoops in. I mean, whoo hoo, it's a BioWare game, but see I played KotOR so when it pretended to be a standard fantasy game I wasn't all that wowed. I mean, if the same jump happens between DA 1 and 2 as did between ME1 and 2, then maybe I'll rent it.

Well I guess I'm done here for a while. I'm gonna go play some other company's games.
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Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:01 pm

So, for September GI, if they announced the game first via the website (maybe in late July before the 31st when the trademark expires) and then got the cover announcement a week later, would that work? I don't know much about trademark laws and that stuff, but I would assume as long as that they at least said "TESV: Skyrim is coming just hold your horses" then that trademark would be considered in use. Then officially the magazine cover would be released a week or so later and then things would get rolling.

That being said, I don't think that is likely I was just wondering if it was possible. I don't think they would do a reveal at Quakecon, but if they had something to show there, then they certainly would.

I really think that if it turns 2011 and we're still without a TESV announcement then they have definitely waited too long. Typically we are looking at 4 years between releases, it has been almost that now and not even an announcement. At first I would settle myself with the fact that the longer they took on the game the better it would be, but now, I'm not really sure how much better they can make it unless they made really drastic changes. Either way, people are going to lose interest, and making an announcement isn't a huge deal either, all they really have to do is say that it is coming and hype will build.

I'm out of here for a couple weeks, maybe I'll drop by every once and a while.
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Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:19 pm

Leave it to Bethesda to make me feel disappointed with a Bioware game. Having said that I'm sure DA2 will be excellent and one can only hope we'll get TES V in the next few months!!!
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Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:16 pm

I really hope Bioware starts to slow down their releases before they start churning out crap like Activision. This news makes me sad. :(
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Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:38 pm

At least DA 2 looks fairly promising. Remember that they've only announced the game, it might not come out for another year or something (unless I missed a release date somewhere).

I have to say that Bethesda is kinda disappointing recently. The idea that they can leave fans languishing for years while Bioware dominates the RPG market kinda worries me. They're focusing too much on what they're publishing instead of talking about what they're developing. It was at last year's Quakecon that Todd Howard said there wouldn't be another Elder Scrolls (but Pete Hines said there would), so announcing it there this year would be a cool way to make up for it.

The moral is that Bethesda trumpeting about Doom 4, Brink and New Vegas instead of TES V is comparable to Rockstar making a big deal about LA Noir and Max Payne instead of GTA V. The flagship franchises are what people want to know about most, Bioware gets this, but I don't think Bethesda does.
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Post » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:48 pm

Thread 50 still nothing this is getting ridculous. I don't think its woth speculating on trademarks anymore. If the expiry date was coming close then why not just announce the game? What difference does it make if its announced a week or two early. I respect the fact there is some strategy behind marketing/timing games but the secrecy mentality isnt cool. Forgive me for being foolish and upset but I dont think the game is anywhere near the viewing stage nevermind the announcing it stage prehaps next year at E3.
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