[Emmanuel Morales]

Bethesda almost never announces at large events, it is actually improbable that they will announce at Quakecon.

[Eve(G)]

Bethesda almost never announces at large events, it is actually improbable that they will announce at Quakecon.

While Quakecon is decently sized, its nowhere near the huge size of something like E3, PAX, etc. In addition, recall that Bethesda wishes to make Quakecon a sort of tradeshow for Zenimax products, and a game announcement is a great way to draw attention to both the event and Bethesda (and, at the same time, Id).

[Del Arte]

[censored] it people just give up. August GI was what the 47th, 48th let down? now you're already putting together all this irrelevant crap and somehow turning it into a sign that TESV is on the brink of announcment. You're like a bunch of 9/11 conspiracy theorists. As much as i'd love for you guys to prove me wrong you won't. There's no TES on the horizon for a long time yet. Try again in a couple of years

Please comeback to me when you can back this up pleae. 1) we are not like 9/11 conspiracists, because they have theories about a terrorist attack, we are trying to discover when a videogame is going to come out 2) you are trying to discredit our evidence as being irrelevent even though you did not expound upon why it is irrelevent 3) you are making a large presumption that we won't prove you wrong and 4) in a couple of years they will probably be finishing another game, which I see no reason why it is not TESV.

[Jeff Turner]

I've got to be honest, I only follow this thread because I'm at work and this fills in my 'not busy' gaps quite nicely. After this no-show of a GI cover, I would normally have given up hope by now, just leaving it with the 'when it comes, it comes' attitude.
As for "Bethesda almost never announcing at large events" ........ they did say that they want to change Quakecon, and this would be the perfect opportunity. Jus' sayin'!!

[ezra]

I've got to be honest, I only follow this thread because I'm at work and this fills in my 'not busy' gaps quite nicely. After this no-show of a GI cover, I would normally have given up hope by now, just leaving it with the 'when it comes, it comes' attitude.
As for "Bethesda almost never announcing at large events" ........ they did say that they want to change Quakecon, and this would be the perfect opportunity. Jus' sayin'!!

Yes, but they could be talking about for future years.

[Jessica Nash]

While Quakecon is decently sized, its nowhere near the huge size of something like E3, PAX, etc. In addition, recall that Bethesda wishes to make Quakecon a sort of tradeshow for Zenimax products, and a game announcement is a great way to draw attention to both the event and Bethesda (and, at the same time, Id).

I've got to be honest, I only follow this thread because I'm at work and this fills in my 'not busy' gaps quite nicely. After this no-show of a GI cover, I would normally have given up hope by now, just leaving it with the 'when it comes, it comes' attitude.
As for "Bethesda almost never announcing at large events" ........ they did say that they want to change Quakecon, and this would be the perfect opportunity. Jus' sayin'!!

Although Quakecon is ID's event, I'm curiously hopeful about what Pete meant by wanting to make it into a bigger event, and the way he worded the improbability of an E3 announcement definitely convinced me that there was indeed something to announce. However, I'm not sure how enthused ID would be about changing their own event, and if Quakecon is indeed to be an event for showcasing/announcing Zenimax games then it seems reasonable they'd want to change the name to something that reflects the broader scope.

[Kerri Lee]

Although Quakecon is ID's event, I'm curiously hopeful about what Pete meant by wanting to make it into a bigger event, and the way he worded the improbability of an E3 announcement definitely convinced me that there was indeed something to announce. However, I'm not sure how enthused ID would be about changing their own event, and if Quakecon is indeed to be an event for showcasing/announcing Zenimax games then it seems reasonable they'd want to change the name to something that reflects the broader scope.

I believe Id would be happy to see the event get larger, even if Bethesda is taking up some of the limelight, because it the more folks that show up, the more folks are inevitably going to see Id's products. I can DEFINITELY tell you, that if I heard that Bethesda was going to be at Quakecon, I'd go in a heartbeat. Its a free event to enter in the first place, I've got a rocking computer, and I love Id games. Why wouldn't I go? Hell, I should go regardless of Bethesda being there. I LIVE in Texas. Quakecon isn't held but 100 miles away (not far in terms of Texas).

[Sasha Brown]

I believe Id would be happy to see the event get larger, even if Bethesda is taking up some of the limelight, because it the more folks that show up, the more folks are inevitably going to see Id's products. I can DEFINITELY tell you, that if I heard that Bethesda was going to be at Quakecon, I'd go in a heartbeat. Its a free event to enter in the first place, I've got a rocking computer, and I love Id games. Why wouldn't I go? Hell, I should go regardless of Bethesda being there. I LIVE in Texas. Quakecon isn't held but 100 miles away (not far in terms of Texas).

Yeah, that is definitely the right attitude for ID to have but pride has a funny way of getting in the way of doing right. Anyway, I'm quite optimistic to see what becomes of Quakecon - even if we don't expect a TES:V announcement from it.

[Sebrina Johnstone]

Well im still sitting on this opinion:

With E3 over, and the GI cover for August not being TES5 and the trademarks not meaning anything....

We now have nothing to suggest an annoncement in the next few months. If you see anyone saying it will be in the next GI, or at QuakeCon has nothing but fan-fever for it and little or no actual fact.

If it comes, it will be out of the blue, but I have a feeling it wont come. New Vegas is coming up to release, once an offical date is given I doubt we will see a TES5 annoncement until about a month after the game comes out. I see November/Decemeber the earliest date for an annoncement now.

We know Bethesda are making something....they arent hiring people to watch Hulu, it just a matter of time until they finally tell us what they are making.

[Isaac Saetern]

Well im still sitting on this opinion:

With E3 over, and the GI cover for August not being TES5 and the trademarks not meaning anything....

We now have nothing to suggest an annoncement in the next few months. If you see anyone saying it will be in the next GI, or at QuakeCon has nothing but fan-fever for it and little or no actual fact.

If it comes, it will be out of the blue, but I have a feeling it wont come. New Vegas is coming up to release, once an offical date is given I doubt we will see a TES5 annoncement until about a month after the game comes out. I see November/Decemeber the earliest date for an annoncement now.

We know Bethesda are making something....they arent hiring people to watch Hulu, it just a matter of time until they finally tell us what they are making.

You're right in that the trademarks no longer can be considered reliable in deriving a precise announcement date since they were able to just file a new one before the others expired. We honestly just didn't see it coming. However, I still believe we're relatively close to an announcement. Perhaps not weeks away, but months. I believe there's still a good chance to see TES:V emerge from BGS's iron curtain before this year is out.

Even more convincingly from an announcement, I believe there's little doubt that BGS is developing TES:V. The argument in my sig still hold water for this case. (Perhaps I oughta revise that a bit to reflect recent revelations...)

[JD FROM HELL]

If it comes, it will be out of the blue, but I have a feeling it wont come. New Vegas is coming up to release, once an offical date is given I doubt we will see a TES5 annoncement until about a month after the game comes out. I see November/Decemeber the earliest date for an annoncement now.

This is what I've always thought as the most likely scenario. And this is not because people cannot anticipate two or more products simultaneously but marketing resources are always limited and all companies have to allocate them efficiently. Considering that we cannot realistically expect TES V to be released any earlier than Q4 2011 Bethesda are in no particular hurry to announce it right now. It makes sense to wait for 3-4 months and in the meantime direct most of their marketing resources towards New Vegas a franchise that their internal studio has future plans for and a vested interest in. And if they announce the game in November/December that still leaves them with plenty of time to release it sometime between late 2011 and early 2012. Something similar happened between Oblivion and Fallout 3 as the first substantial information about FO3 was revealed in late 2007 after Oblivion GOTY was released and FO3 was released exactly a year later. Of course Bethesda had nothing to do with Quakecon at the time so things may be different now and have an announcement as early as August. But personally I don't have high hopes for Quakecon because I tend to agree with Stain that ID may not be very happy about it even if that is not necessarily the right attitude.

[oliver klosoff]

We know Bethesda are making something....they arent hiring people to watch Hulu, it just a matter of time until they finally tell us what they are making.

What's up with you guys and Hulu? It seems like some sort of forum standard to equate sitting on your ass with watching Hulu. This is the third or fourth time in a week someone has mentioned that BGS employees don't get paid to watch Hulu.

So I'm confused about the trademark for the manuals. It seems to me that the consensus is this: They can announce the game by the end of the month and the trademark doesn't matter any more, or they can let the trademark expire and... what? Nothing bad happens?

[Dan Stevens]

Please don't :cryvaultboy:

Yeah, this is quite a stretch. I could claim that because he has 1000/1000 gamerscore on Oblivion (which he does) means that there is evidence. We need something more concrete as his favorite games list does not include Oblivion.

[Trevor Bostwick]

What's up with you guys and Hulu? It seems like some sort of forum standard to equate sitting on your ass with watching Hulu. This is the third or fourth time in a week someone has mentioned that BGS employees don't get paid to watch Hulu.

So I'm confused about the trademark for the manuals. It seems to me that the consensus is this: They can announce the game by the end of the month and the trademark doesn't matter any more, or they can let the trademark expire and... what? Nothing bad happens?

Maybe there's another minute difference that they can exploit and apply for a new games/manual TM.

[Kate Schofield]

Again, I think Beth is going to pull an announcement out of the blue, most likely NOT before the FONV dust settles. They always like the element of surprise, and this is why I think we will NEVER be able to predict an announcement.

I've given up on this Quakecon/

I see 2 scenarios

1. We get a book announcement in November, shipping for the holiday season, and maybe 4-8 months later, a TES V announcement.

2. We get both book and game announcement simultaneously, March-June 2011.

[Bitter End]

So I'm confused about the trademark for the manuals. It seems to me that the consensus is this: They can announce the game by the end of the month and the trademark doesn't matter any more, or they can let the trademark expire and... what? Nothing bad happens?

It's a bit complicated and I am perhaps a little confused about the whole thing myself. But here's what seems to make sense to my little brain:

To salvage the existing trademark application for the game manuals they will need to file a Statement of Use by July 31st. A Statement of Use, to be accepted, must prove the mark's Use in Commerce (for which an announcement is sufficient). This particular trademark application, of the other two, is probably the least important since it would only protect against 'Skyrim' from being used in unauthorized magazines or guides. For this trademark application they could either file a new one that's slightly different (thus making it a completely new trademark application) or they could let it expire and refile for the same trademark (which could take a little bit more time). It all amounts to about six in one hand and half-a-dozen in the other.

Hope this helps!

[Fam Mughal]

It's a bit complicated and I am perhaps a little confused about the whole thing myself. But here's what seems to make sense to my little brain:

To salvage the existing trademark application for the game manuals they will need to file a Statement of Use by July 31st. A Statement of Use, to be accepted, must prove the mark's Use in Commerce (for which an announcement is sufficient). This particular trademark application, of the other two, is probably the least important since it would only protect against 'Skyrim' from being used in unauthorized magazines or guides. For this trademark application they could either file a new one that's slightly different (thus making it a completely new trademark application) or they could let it expire and refile for the same trademark (which could take a little bit more time). It all amounts to about six in one hand and half-a-dozen in the other.

Hope this helps!

Thanks for that

I think the only thing saving us is the fact that they really can't wait too long before they announce a second book. People will start to forget/lose interest in the Infernal City, and is half-assed ending. So we can hope that they would couple this with a TES V announcement.

[FirDaus LOVe farhana]

So if BGS is planning on announcing something at Quakecon, we know they are probably only working on one thing that we know of, the "secret project", which we'll assume is TESV and most likely not a new IP. Therefore they would only have one thing that they could possibly announce at Quakecon (assuming that they announce anything there, but they did state that they want to make the event bigger so an impending announcement would definitely do just that and would also set the precedent for announcing games there). If they announce anything besides TES at Quakecon, it is safe to assume that there will be no TES:V for a while. If they don't announce anything (which I would think is most likely) then we are back to where we started.

Again, an announcement doesn't have to be a big thing, they really just have to say its coming (think 30 second reveal trailer).

That being said, don't get your hopes up for Quakecon.

[daniel royle]

So if BGS is planning on announcing something at Quakecon, we know they are probably only working on one thing that we know of, the "secret project", which we'll assume is TESV and most likely not a new IP. Therefore they would only have one thing that they could possibly announce at Quakecon (assuming that they announce anything there, but they did state that they want to make the event bigger so an impending announcement would definitely do just that and would also set the precedent for announcing games there). If they announce anything besides TES at Quakecon, it is safe to assume that there will be no TES:V for a while. If they don't announce anything (which I would think is most likely) then we are back to where we started.

Again, an announcement doesn't have to be a big thing, they really just have to say its coming (think 30 second reveal trailer).

That being said, don't get your hopes up for Quakecon.

plenty of stuff they could annonce....they could annonce another game they will publish.

[Alba Casas]

plenty of stuff they could annonce....they could annonce another game they will publish.

Assuming it was a BGS game, after all it was Pete who said they wanted to make it a bigger event.

[Mrs Pooh]

but marketing resources are always limited and all companies have to allocate them efficiently.

Ehh, I know they're doing the advertising for Brink, NV ect, but do they really need to do any marketing for tes5? All we are looking for here is an announcement, a couple of screenshots and a couple of paragraphs about the upcoming game. The real marketing wouldn't need to start for another 5 or 6 months after. Just a conformation that the game is on the way and we can all go home and relax.

[Theodore Walling]

You realize that the next generation of consoles wont be out for about 3-4 years right? You'd be out $10,000, as there is pretty much zero chance TESV won't be released for another 3 years. Your entire argument is based around your thinking that TESV will be released for the next generation of consoles, which you haven't actually done your research on, as I said, the next gen consoles won't be out for quite a few years. Bethesda isn't stupid, they're not going to turn it into another Duke Nukem Forever, I'd say we get an announcement this year and a release next year.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is what I am talking about.
A release next year? are you crazy?

They already have the ESIV engine.
If they wanted to they could have churned out ESV easily by now.
It's been 4 years.
Notice every ES has been on new tech compared to the previous.
They started to work on ESV (and by working on it I mean completely revamp the gaming engine)
When they realized that their eyes were bigger than their stomachs and to do what they want to do they need new tech.
That is why they put the hold on ES for awhile and I'm not revealing where I get my info.
So don't tell me that I haven't done my research.

Trust me guys, this is a good thing. Do you really want a new game now? It would just be an expansion, really. Sure there would be a new story, but it would seem like an expansion to me.
The cool thing about ES is that with every game its completely new tech.

I will tell you this right now, your not getting ESV on the current Gen, so drop it.

But the new game will be awesome and completely different than anything you have played before both in size and sheer graphics.

[Beulah Bell]

Surely RAGE/ID TECH 5 is proof of the technology for the current consoles being more than adequate.

[ANaIs GRelot]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is what I am talking about.
A release next year? are you crazy?

They already have the ESIV engine.
If they wanted to they could have churned out ESV easily by now.
It's been 4 years.
Notice every ES has been on new tech compared to the previous.
They started to work on ESV (and by working on it I mean completely revamp the gaming engine)
When they realized that their eyes were bigger than their stomachs and to do what they want to do they need new tech.
That is why they put the hold on ES for awhile and I'm not revealing where I get my info.
So don't tell me that I haven't done my research.

Trust me guys, this is a good thing. Do you really want a new game now? It would just be an expansion, really. Sure there would be a new story, but it would seem like an expansion to me.
The cool thing about ES is that with every game its completely new tech.

I will tell you this right now, your not getting ESV on the current Gen, so drop it.

But the new game will be awesome and completely different than anything you have played before both in size and sheer graphics.

I don't know what "research" you think you did but I'm rather certain it wasn't nearly enough.

The big 3 almost certainly have next generation consoles in development. But that does not mean that developers have access to these consoles. If Bethesda has been working on TES V since the release of Oblivion it will be their longest developed game in their history, so, for one, expecting it to be nothing but an expansion is totally ridiculous. And if Bethesda wont get access to next gen tech for a good while, likely 2 years or so if Microsoft wants to release it in 2013, TES V would have been in development for 6 years and would not have been made for next gen consoles, simply ported. So I can assure you, it is in everyone's best interest for them to release it in this console generation, including Bethesda's, unless you really cant wait for a current gen game ported over to next gen.

[Nienna garcia]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is what I am talking about.
A release next year? are you crazy?

They already have the ESIV engine.
If they wanted to they could have churned out ESV easily by now.
It's been 4 years.
Notice every ES has been on new tech compared to the previous.
They started to work on ESV (and by working on it I mean completely revamp the gaming engine)
When they realized that their eyes were bigger than their stomachs and to do what they want to do they need new tech.
That is why they put the hold on ES for awhile and I'm not revealing where I get my info.
So don't tell me that I haven't done my research.

Trust me guys, this is a good thing. Do you really want a new game now? It would just be an expansion, really. Sure there would be a new story, but it would seem like an expansion to me.
The cool thing about ES is that with every game its completely new tech.

I will tell you this right now, your not getting ESV on the current Gen, so drop it.

But the new game will be awesome and completely different than anything you have played before both in size and sheer graphics.

Give us a riddle as to where you found this "info" so we can confirm your theory.