[Phoenix Draven]

I don't know what "research" you think you did but I'm rather certain it wasn't nearly enough.

The big 3 almost certainly have next generation consoles in development. But that does not mean that developers have access to these consoles. If Bethesda has been working on TES V since the release of Oblivion it will be their longest developed game in their history, so, for one, expecting it to be nothing but an expansion is totally ridiculous. And if Bethesda wont get access to next gen tech for a good while, likely 2 years or so if Microsoft wants to release it in 2013, TES V would have been in development for 6 years and would not have been made for next gen consoles, simply ported. So I can assure you, it is in everyone's best interest for them to release it in this console generation, including Bethesda's, unless you really cant wait for a current gen game ported over to next gen.

OK lets look at what you posted here.
The big three are developing new consoles. I agree.
Then you go on to say that expecting it to be nothing but an expansion is ridiculous. I agree and that is why It will NOT be on this generation.
Do you really think they are going to rebuild an entire gaming engine on tech that they already have a gaming engine for????
That is absolutely ridiculous!
If they were going to release on this generation they would have tweaked the oblivion engine, and announced the game by now. If fact, it should be coming out anytime if they were just going to tweak the engine.)

But they didn't do that, It's been 4 years...and one of the last substantial things we heard is "don't expect a new ES anytime soon..."

Why is that? They are waiting for the tech. Traditionally they announce games 2 years ahead of release.
So if they announced the game TODAY. We probably wouldn't see the game until 2012......


But are you serious?
That would be 5 years since Oblivon....5 years to develop a new game on the oblivion engine?

I don't think so....they aren't using the oblivion engine.
and they didn't create a new engine with the same tech.
and they aren't going to release the game for PC only.

That is why they are giving us the novels.

"the novels are supposed to be the bridge between 4th installment and the 5th"


we don't even have the 2nd book yet.....


I'm sorry you won't be playing ESV until at least 2013


If anyone can argue with this, please do. I don't see how so many of you can be so blind. I mean I want the game just as much as you, I'm here aren't I?
I just think trying to find out about the next GI cover is absolutely stupid. GI isn't going to feature a game that is coming out 3-4 years from now on their cover.

[Dawn Porter]

We're making a bigger deal abut this separation. Do you think most people know this? They're not going to be advertising/announcing another game while they're already involved with 4 games attm

Just because most people don't know it doesn't mean that there isn't a distinct difference between the two.

[Mark Churchman]

@Serper - They aren't making a new engine, they are simply changing a lot of their current one. And even though it's been four years from Oblivion, it's only been two from Fallout 3, and Bethesda tends to announce new games two years after their last game.

[Dj Matty P]

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You're forgetting Fallout 3 was developed. That kind of puts more time in between Oblivion and ESV...

Now, we know that they are doing major changes to their basic tech. Todd Howard stated this. But you can't automatically assume they're making this tech for the next consoles. We don't know exactly when they are coming.

[Mélida Brunet]

@Serper - They aren't making a new engine, they are simply changing a lot of their current one. And even though it's been four years from Oblivion, it's only been two from Fallout 3, and Bethesda tends to announce new games two years after their last game.

Ya, that is why people have to cite their information.

[Tom]

We're making a bigger deal abut this separation. Do you think most people know this? They're not going to be advertising/announcing another game while they're already involved with 4 games attm

But the thing is: Bethesda Game Studios is announcing it. And Bethesda Softworks isn't. They don't interfere with each for at least another year or two. Even if TES: V is announced people will still play New Vegas, and Brink, and Rage, and etc.

[Ells]

But the thing is: Bethesda Game Studios is announcing it. And Bethesda Softworks isn't. They don't interfere with each for at least another year or two. Even if TES: V is announced people will still play New Vegas, and Brink, and Rage, and etc.

I know. I'm saying they have a lot on their plate as of know, and I'm starting to doubt that they want any TES V info coming out. It would certainly overshadow and take attention away from other games that they're marketing.

[roxxii lenaghan]

I know. I'm saying they have a lot on their plate as of know, and I'm starting to doubt that they want any TES V info coming out. It would certainly overshadow and take attention away from other games that they're marketing.

Oh now I understand. But would it? That's the question.

[candice keenan]

But the thing is: Bethesda Game Studios is announcing it. And Bethesda Softworks isn't. They don't interfere with each for at least another year or two. Even if TES: V is announced people will still play New Vegas, and Brink, and Rage, and etc.

isnt Bethesda Softworks the owner of The Elder Scrolls IP? Wouldn't they be the ones to announce a game made with an IP they own? correct me if im wrong..

[Isabella X]

isnt Bethesda Softworks the owner of The Elder Scrolls IP? Wouldn't they be the ones to announce a game made with an IP they own? correct me if im wrong..

I googled it and yes, they would be the ones to announce. So this means mustang's argument is valid.

[Thomas LEON]

isnt Bethesda Softworks the owner of The Elder Scrolls IP? Wouldn't they be the ones to announce a game made with an IP they own? correct me if im wrong..

Technically Zenimax Media owns the IP.

[neen]

Technically Zenimax Media owns the IP.

But I think Bethesda Softworks are the ones to announce it.

[clelia vega]

Oh now I understand. But would it? That's the question.

I don't think it would personally, but I'm trying to think like Bethesda. I wouldn't announce a new project while there are many other games that are being published under the same ownership. I'd devote any and all marketing resources to those games. Thats why I think we wait until the dust settles late this year/early next year before we tense up again with this speculation .

[Alberto Aguilera]

Technically Zenimax Media owns the IP.

ah my mistake, thx. At any rate, who announced Oblivion? Was it gamesas, Beth Game Studios or Zenimax?

[Haley Cooper]

I don't think it would personally, but I'm trying to think like Bethesda. I wouldn't announce a new project while there are many other games that are being published under the same ownership. I'd devote any and all marketing resources to those games. Thats why I think we wait until the dust settles late this year/early next year before we tense up again with this speculation .

I see. So if they announced it next year it would be released in 2013. But would a new generation of consoles be revealed at that time?

In all tenses of speculation Serper's argument doesn't seem to far fetched now.

Heres a link for the announcement of http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Articles.Detail&id=57.

[Elizabeth Lysons]

That is a big 'if', I personally think it is more likely that they will announce it this year and release it in 2012, or announce it early next year and release it in 2012.

[Rachel Hall]

Is it possible they are trying to pull off a scheme like: they release it in 2012 for the current gen of consoles, and then the new consoles come out and people end up buying 2 copies, 1 for each gen?

[roxxii lenaghan]

I see. So if they announced it next year it would be released in 2013. But would a new generation of consoles be revealed at that time?

In all tenses of speculation Serper's argument doesn't seem to far fetched now.

Heres a link for the announcement of http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Articles.Detail&id=57.

I seriously doubt we see new consoles before 2015. Their secret project is almost definitely current gen if the began work in late 06.

We just got the new 360. Its "Ready for Tomorrow" according to MS. Its going to ride out the wave as of now. I know Sony won't be pushing a new console because they just started to make profits, and MS just released the new 360.

[xxLindsAffec]

I know. I'm saying they have a lot on their plate as of know, and I'm starting to doubt that they want any TES V info coming out. It would certainly overshadow and take attention away from other games that they're marketing.

Personally I think the marketing would snowball with many great games at the same time.
"Big news about ---"
"well I don't like that kind of game"
"they have ------ to, this stuff looks great"
"I might try it, but I just want to shoot something"
"Thats what half of the games do"
"and they look good?"
"awesome"
"hmmm, I might be inside for the next 10 weeks"

[Juanita Hernandez]

I seriously doubt we see new consoles before 2015. Their secret project is almost definitely current gen if the began work in late 06.

We just got the new 360. Its "Ready for Tomorrow" according to MS. Its going to ride out the wave as of now. I know Sony won't be pushing a new console because they just started to make profits, and MS just released the new 360.

Just throwing ideas out there.

[Taylor Thompson]

But I think Bethesda Softworks are the ones to announce it.

I believe your point is who essentially will handle the announcement. The announcement is a marketing task, which would fall to Bethesda Softworks. All in all, though, I believe you won't find a distinct line where one entity's roles fold into another's. It is a joint effort where everything emanates from a single corporate entity (Zenimax Media).

[Lily Evans]

OK lets look at what you posted here.
The big three are developing new consoles. I agree.
Then you go on to say that expecting it to be nothing but an expansion is ridiculous. I agree and that is why It will NOT be on this generation.
Do you really think they are going to rebuild an entire gaming engine on tech that they already have a gaming engine for????
That is absolutely ridiculous!
If they were going to release on this generation they would have tweaked the oblivion engine, and announced the game by now. If fact, it should be coming out anytime if they were just going to tweak the engine.)

But they didn't do that, It's been 4 years...and one of the last substantial things we heard is "don't expect a new ES anytime soon..."

Why is that? They are waiting for the tech. Traditionally they announce games 2 years ahead of release.
So if they announced the game TODAY. We probably wouldn't see the game until 2012......


But are you serious?
That would be 5 years since Oblivon....5 years to develop a new game on the oblivion engine?

I don't think so....they aren't using the oblivion engine.
and they didn't create a new engine with the same tech.
and they aren't going to release the game for PC only.

That is why they are giving us the novels.

"the novels are supposed to be the bridge between 4th installment and the 5th"


we don't even have the 2nd book yet.....


I'm sorry you won't be playing ESV until at least 2013


If anyone can argue with this, please do. I don't see how so many of you can be so blind. I mean I want the game just as much as you, I'm here aren't I?
I just think trying to find out about the next GI cover is absolutely stupid. GI isn't going to feature a game that is coming out 3-4 years from now on their cover.

Just so nobody generalizes, I don't believe I've stated anywhere that I ever have followed a GI article in anticipation, I'm only checking the elderscrolls site itself. Since the filing of the new trademark, I'm also dropping my expectations of an announcement this summer.

However, I wanted to comment on this post by Serper...

It has been stated that ever since Fallout 3, that Bethesda was going back to re-tool their engine that they used for oblivion and fallout. This to me means that they hadn't even started, really, the programming and world building for TES at that time. Sure, they probably had some art done, and writers working on the main story and quests, but it would make no sense to start programming really, when the engine itself needed work. Changing the engine in a game is like re-laying the foundation to a house, you need to then start from the ground up. Granted, you can take bits and pieces here and there from the old house, the parts that you like and that worked well, and put them on the new foundation. That's the difference between a renovation of a house, and a complete rebuild, they are "renovating" the engine.

Now to my point, this "renovating" would prolly take up to a year, maybe a year and a half at worse case. How do I guess this, well, I'm actually trying to do the same myself, and its taking me a WHILE, much much longer. Fact is too, I'm not building anything near the scope yet of TES. I realize they have a team of programmers there, but the timing sounds about right. If anyone thinks different feel free to adjust my thinking. I'm still in the process of producing my first game and am learning. (Of course, I'm actually building my own engine too, but anyways) Therefore, going from the time that Fallout 3 was released, October 28th, 2008, we count a year, and now we are at October, 2009. From this point if we can agree that the average TES game as of late takes 4 years to develop, but we'll subtract half a year for the fact that SOME work woulda been done prior, we are looking at spring 2012.

2012 is WELL withing the current console generations predicted lifespan. Not only that, but WHY would they be re-tooling their engine NOW and not release another game when they would have to do it AGAIN after getting the development specs for the next-generation consoles to release a game then?

Doesn't it make sense that if they are re-tooling the engine they have NOW they are trying to push something thru during this generations' life-cycle?? Sure, they might have changed their minds, but I don't know many companies who puchase licsensing rights to a game engine just to produce TWO games off that engine, at least without very good reason, like the engine svcks. Anyways, I do believe that TES V WILL be out for this current generation consoles. If I'm wrong, well, no biggie, but I truly believe my arguments have more backing than that of the fact that TES V will be next-gen.

[Chica Cheve]

I believe your point is who essentially will handle the announcement. The announcement is a marketing task, which would fall to Bethesda Softworks. All in all, though, I believe you won't find a distinct line where one entity's roles fold into another's. It is a joint effort where everything emanates from a single corporate entity (Zenimax Media).

So would an announcement of TES:V interfere with the games they are publishing?

[Etta Hargrave]

So would an announcement of TES:V interfere with the games they are publishing?

The announcement itself perhaps wouldn't, but it really would depend on how much they'd want to promote it and how big they want to get as a company. As Hungry Donner made a great point earlier, they do have a lot on their plate at the moment. However, some of these games will be released soon which should free them up to focus on promoting another game.

[ZzZz]

@Serper - They aren't making a new engine, they are simply changing a lot of their current one. And even though it's been four years from Oblivion, it's only been two from Fallout 3, and Bethesda tends to announce new games two years after their last game.

Ok so what is more valid ? Bethesda announcing 2 years after their last game or 2 years before the game is being released?

I would think that announcements depend on the release date, not the last game.