[W E I R D]

Well the argument that states: "Bethesda would never be able to make a next generation game because it would be too long without a solid stream of revenue," is incorrect because why else would Bethesda be publishing so many games. :glare:

[+++CAZZY]

Well the argument that states: "Bethesda would never be able to make a next generation game because it would be too long without a solid stream of revenue," is incorrect because why else would Bethesda be publishing so many games. :glare:

Well, Bethesda Softworks has been publishing games since 1998...

[Anna Krzyzanowska]

Well, Bethesda Softworks has been publishing games since 1998...

Oh hmm...well I've only been around here since '09, my bad. So does Bethesda usually publish 4 games at once like this?

[alyssa ALYSSA]

Oh hmm...well I've only been around here since '09, my bad. So does Bethesda usually publish 4 games at once like this?

Yea bethesda softworks publishes and bethesda game studios develops. Anyone else feel like BGS didn't really take off until oblivion? They have always been a well renowned, well respected, top tier developer but it seemed like they were always under the radar until oblivion hit and was welcomed by critical praise. Most reviews gush about how wonderful the game is and it really was the first real big next gen hit. It was the first must have 360 game back in the day when all the next gen buzz was still fresh in the air. Then came the dlc for oblivion and again BGS really were one of the first to dabble with dlc on the console and look how far its come. Then came fallout 3 and the rest is history.

So yea just a thought I had about how much BGS blew up in the past 4 years. Now people who never even thought of playing an rpg or investing hundreds of hours in another world are well aware of BGS..guess I'll end this post by saying nice job BGS don't stop now...

[Avril Louise]

Once again: Unless I'm completely mistaken, Bethesda Games Studios is making absolutely no money off whatever games Bethesda Softworks is publishing unless they come from the devs at BGS. And none of the games currently being published have come out of BGS.

[Lory Da Costa]

Yea bethesda softworks publishes and bethesda game studios develops. Anyone else feel like BGS didn't really take off until oblivion? They have always been a well renowned, well respected, top tier developer but it seemed like they were always under the radar until oblivion hit and was welcomed by critical praise. Most reviews gush about how wonderful the game is and it really was the first real big next gen hit. It was the first must have 360 game back in the day when all the next gen buzz was still fresh in the air. Then came the dlc for oblivion and again BGS really were one of the first to dabble with dlc on the console and look how far its come. Then came fallout 3 and the rest is history.

So yea just a thought I had about how much BGS blew up in the past 4 years. Now people who never even thought of playing an rpg or investing hundreds of hours in another world are well aware of BGS..guess I'll end this post by saying nice job BGS don't stop now...

Not just the last 4 years. They were pretty well known years before that. But I'd say Morrowind and Oblivion really put Beth on the A-list with the likes of Blizzard and Ubisoft.

[Robert Garcia]

Well, Bethesda Softworks has been publishing games since 1998...

I thought you said since 1985...

[Amanda Furtado]

Not just the last 4 years. They were pretty well known years before that. But I'd say Morrowind and Oblivion really put Beth on the A-list with the likes of Blizzard and Ubisoft.

Yea I know they were big before oblivion but it just seems I hear more about them since oblivion came out because that game brought in a whole new bunch of beth fans. There are a lot of gamers now who wouldn't have played a BGS game if it hadn't been for the mainstream success of oblivion no denying that and its a very good thing...

[Syaza Ramali]

Once again: Unless I'm completely mistaken, Bethesda Games Studios is making absolutely no money off whatever games Bethesda Softworks is publishing unless they come from the devs at BGS. And none of the games currently being published have come out of BGS.

Of course they do, Bethesda Softworks and Game Studios are simply different arms of the same company, hell they're even in the same building as each other. And they're both owned by Zenimax Media, which also owns iD and Vir2L.

[Suzie Dalziel]

So, I just came back from vacation and noticed the August GI cover isn't for TES V(I'm disappointed). When is the next big opportunity, Quakecon? After that? Is there a complete list, and is it still believed by the majority here that TES V will be announced this summer?

[Eoh]

Your fellow rebel

Although you were right on the Dragon Age II thing, so I have no right to tell you your wrong

Oy... he wasn't "right" about DAII. Nearly every regular poster in these threads thought it was TES V or DAII or something else. Showstopper suggested dozens of different franchises and agreed with nearly every other series someone suggested, even Starfox, as long as it wasn't TES V. Saying he was right is like saying someone who placed a bet on every horse in a race was right when the horse he bet on won. Point is, you have every right to tell him he's wrong.

Not flaming, just making a point about our resident "realist."

Main target is pc and xbox? Source please. I want a source. Ps3 is just important get real.

The source is very easy to find; simply look at Bethesda's history. Morrowind came out on PC and Xbox only. Oblivion came out on PC and Xbox first, and the PS3 second. The DLC for Oblivion came out on the PS3 only after coming out on the PC and Xbox 360 earlier. Fallout 3 came out at the same time on all 3 platforms, however every single DLC came out on the PS3 only after it came out on the Xbox and PC, and the DLC and GOTY edition turned out to be buggy as hell. The PS3 is just as important as the Xbox 360 and PC in the real world, however, in terms of Bethesda and their games, it is NOT as important. To say that Bethesda views the PS3 to be as important as the other two platforms is only possible if you completely ignore Bethesda's history.

[katsomaya Sanchez]

Of course they do, Bethesda Softworks and Game Studios are simply different arms of the same company, hell they're even in the same building as each other. And they're both owned by Zenimax Media, which also owns iD and Vir2L.

I don't understand, why would BGS make money off Rage or FO:NV? They didn't actually do anything for these games. KFC and Pizza Hut are owned by the same company, but workers of Pizza Hut don't make any money when someone buys a bucket of chicken.

[Alexander Horton]

I don't understand, why would BGS make money off Rage or FO:NV? They didn't actually do anything for these games. KFC and Pizza Hut are owned by the same company, but workers of Pizza Hut don't make any money when someone buys a bucket of chicken.

Well its all under the same company. More money=higher budget/paycheck for all of these branches of Zenimax media.

[ZzZz]

I don't understand, why would BGS make money off Rage or FO:NV? They didn't actually do anything for these games. KFC and Pizza Hut are owned by the same company, but workers of Pizza Hut don't make any money when someone buys a bucket of chicken.

Bethesda Softworks and Zenimax make money off of the games, yes, however a large chunk of the funding for Bethesda Game Studios and the games they develop comes from those two companies. So the more money Bethesda Softworks and Zenimax makes, the more funding Bethesda Game Studios has for developing TES V. That's not to say everyone at BGS is getting more money, but BGS itself is.

[hannaH]

I thought you said since 1985...

That's what the edit function is for.

[Kat Lehmann]

The DLC for Oblivion came out on the PS3 only after coming out on the PC and Xbox 360 earlier.

The PS3 version didn't even get all the DLC. They only got SI and KOTN.

[Niisha]

Bethesda Softworks and Zenimax make money off of the games, yes, however a large chunk of the funding for Bethesda Game Studios and the games they develop comes from those two companies. So the more money Bethesda Softworks and Zenimax makes, the more funding Bethesda Game Studios has for developing TES V. That's not to say everyone at BGS is getting more money, but BGS itself is.

And what's more, they can get investors to provide money to make games. Since people know that Bethesda's been cranking out the big selling games, I don't think it would be hard to get some investment even if they didn't have Softworks publishing and Zenimax as their sugardaddy.

[josh evans]

I don't understand, why would BGS make money off Rage or FO:NV? They didn't actually do anything for these games. KFC and Pizza Hut are owned by the same company, but workers of Pizza Hut don't make any money when someone buys a bucket of chicken.

Workers at Pizza Hut don't make any money when someone buys a pizza, either, technically. Fast food employees (and game developers, for that matter, so I'll continue with the metaphor) aren't payed on a commission system. No matter how much or little they sell the Pizza Hut employees still need to be payed their regular wages. Since KFC and Pizza Hut are owned by the same company, earnings from KFC can be used to pay the costs incurred by Pizza Hut, if it proves necessary.

So it is with game studios. The incomes from publishing, in part, go towards establishing the budget for the development studios.

Ok, I'm done rambling now .

[Jason Rice]

So, I just came back from vacation and noticed the August GI cover isn't for TES V(I'm disappointed). When is the next big opportunity, Quakecon? After that? Is there a complete list, and is it still believed by the majority here that TES V will be announced this summer?

Well, they filed a new trademark for Skyrim, which means they can announce it whenever they want for the next three years.

[elliot mudd]

Well, they filed a new trademark for Skyrim, which means they can announce it whenever they want for the next three years.

Three years? LOL...This sort of gives credibility to what that Serper guy claims. Maybe they'll even release Zenimax's MMO in the meantime to fill the gap. I still think his claims are ridiculous, but if they don't announce it by the end of the year...

Btw, current consoles have around 10-15 million users and the new ones would get, what, 500k in the first few months. How can you miss out on so much money? They can't be that stupid...

[Annika Marziniak]

Btw, current consoles have around 10-15 million users and the new ones would get, what, 500k in the first few months. How can you miss out on so much money? They can't be that stupid...

They released esiv a little after the 360 debuted and ps3 wasn't even out yet so they were even more limited in the potential user base so why would this time be such a big deal...btw current consoles have way more than 10-15 million users...

[Len swann]

Three years? LOL...This sort of gives credibility to what that Serper guy claims.

It means they potentially can, but I personally think it will be announced by mid next-year.

edit: Bit of a short post but I have no time to add anymore in.

[Alisia Lisha]

So there are many opposing theories. *= assumption based off of Bethesda timelines.

The Serperium Theory (the minority) – TES: V is released on the next generation consoles. (Based off an offline source.)

• *The sequel to Infernal City is announced along with release date in late 2010/early 2011.
  
• *The announcement of Elder Scrolls V would most likely take place sometime in 2011.
  
• * TES: V shown at E3 2012.
  
• *The release will be between late 2012 and mid 2013 on the new platforms.

The M'aiqium Theory #1 (the majority) – TES: V is released on the current generation consoles.

• *TES: V is announced at Quakecon with an issue in the September cover of Game Informer (2010).
  
• *The sequel to Infernal City is announced along with release date in late 2010/early 2011.
  
• *TES: V is shown at E3 2011.
  
• *Release sometime in 2012 on current generation platforms.

The M'aiqium Theory #2 (the majority) – TES: V is released on current generation consoles.

• *TES: V is announced sometime between late 2010 and mid 2011.
  
• *The sequel to Infernal City is announced along with release date (maybe) with TES: V if announced in late 2010 or early 2011.
  
• *TES: V is shown at E3 2011 (maybe shown at E3 2012 too?).
  
• *Release sometime in 2012 on current generation platforms.

The Faelianium Theory (or as some like to call the "Cosmic" Theory) (a minor part of the minority) – TES: V is never announced. Oblivion was Bethesda Game Studio's crowning achievement and will go down in history as a legend (along with Morrowind).

• The sequel to Infernal City is lost to the halls of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Hermaeus_Mora.
  
• Oblivion and Morrowind will become so heavily modded some might even call them sequels to their original games.
  
• We will all die without ever playing the Elder Scrolls V.

The Mustangium Theory (Mustangs10's theory)

• *2nd novel is announced in September, released in November.
  
• *TES: V is announced Spring 2011; Perhaps May-June Game Informer.
  
• *E3 2011, perhaps a small demo and more info.
  
• *TES: V is released Spring-Summer 2012.

The Keatoniun Kitsunium Theory (Keaton Kitsune’s Theory)

• *TES: V announced between mid 2010 and March 2011.
  
• *TES: V released between late 2011 and early 2012 on current generation of platforms.

The Love Theory (LoveIsReal’s theory)

• *Game Informer announcement of TES V within the next three months.
  
• *TES: V is left with no new information until E3 2011.
  
• *Game is set for release in November 2011.
  
• *Game is delayed and set for release in April 2012.

The Johnnium Theory (Johnn123’s theory)

• *Second Elder Scrolls Novel announced at Quakecon, alongside TES: V.
  
• *Book comes out early December with info on TES: V inside.
  
• *TES: V shown at E3 2011.
  
• *TES: V released late 2011.

The Conspiracy Theory (Kristoffer’s theory) - Game was completed already, in complete secrecy, and waiting for a late November 2010 release for the Christmas shopping blitz. An announcement will be made on Black Friday that the game is IN STORES NOW.

If there are any theories that you would like me to submit to the list, please say.

[Blaine]

So there are many opposing theories. *= assumption based off of Bethesda timelines.

Serperium Theory (the minority) – TES: V is released on the next generation consoles. Based off an offline source.

• *The sequel to Infernal City is announced along with release date in late 2010/early 2011
  
• *The announcement of Elder Scrolls V would most likely take place sometime in 2011.
  
• * TES: V shown at E3 2012.
  
• *The release will be between late 2012 and mid 2013 on the new platforms.

The M'aiqium Theory #1 (the majority) – TES: V is released on the current generation consoles.

• *TES V is announced at Quakecon with an issue in the September cover of Game Informer (2010).
  
• *The sequel to Infernal City is announced along with release date in late 2010/early 2011.
  
• *TES: V is shown at E3 2011.
  
• *Release sometime in 2012 on current generation platforms.

The M'aiqium Theory #2 (the majority) – TES: V is released on current generation consoles.

• *TES: V is announced sometime between late 2010 and mid 2011.
  
• *The sequel to Infernal City is announced along with release date (maybe) with TES: V if announced in late 2010 or early 2011.
  
• *TES: V is shown at E3 2011 (maybe shown at E3 2012 too?)
  
• *Release sometime in 2012 on current generation platforms.

The Forlornium Theory (a minor part of the minority) – TES: V is never announced. Oblivion was Bethesda Game Studio's crowning achievement and will go down in history as a legend (along with Morrowind).

• The sequel to Infernal City is lost to the halls of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Hermaeus_Mora.
  
• Oblivion and Morrowind will become so heavily modded some might even call them sequels to their original games.

If there’s anything I have missed, please say.

1 more theory

Mustangium Theory

1. 2nd novel is announced in September, released in November
2. TES V is announced Spring 2011; Perhaps May-June Game Informer
3. E3 2011, perhaps a small demo and more info
4. Game is released Spring-Summer 2012 on current-gen consoles

[Taylor Thompson]

I believe that they will announce the game between now and March of next year, and that the game itself will be released late 2011 and early 2012 on the current generation of consoles.